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Incredulous · « **on:** April 03, 2025, 10:48:20 AM »

Atila Sinke Guimarães

THE FRANCIS PAPACY, PHASE TWO –

After 38 days at the Gemelli Clinic in Rome, Pope Francis was released on March 23 to return to the Vatican, which is where he is right now. This news was followed by statements from Dr. Sergio Alfieri, who was the chief doctor in charge of Francis during his internment.

Speaking to Corriere della Sera, Alfieri sketched a quite serious picture about the health of the Pontiff, explaining that more than once the physicians thought Francis would pass away. On one of these occasions they asked the due Vatican authority what should be done, and received the command to do whatever they could to save Francis’ life.

There was no clear explanation of the procedures they applied. What we know is that he is alive, but extremely frail and has difficulty in speaking. So marked is his difficulty to speak that the Vatican sources are telling us that he needs to “relearn how to speak.”

Francis appeared on the second story balcony of the hospital, above, & had trouble breathing
Francis trouble breathing

Such a difficulty to speak has been explained as a consequence of the respiratory oxygen mask and the tubes inserted in his throat, which would have temporarily damaged his vocal chords. However, experienced nurses who normally treat elderly persons who undergo similar procedures report that they have never seen or heard about the loss of speaking being a consequence of the application of oxygen.

If this last affirmation is true, which I cannot guarantee since I am ignorant of medicine, then the doctors would be hiding the real cause of the loss of Francis' capacity to speak. The real cause of his speaking loss might be a brain injury caused by a stroke.

Francis'public appearance

The Pope’s appearance at a Gemelli balcony shortly preceded his release from the hospital. It was also his only appearance since his entrance into Gemelli. If, then, he would be having any serious difficulty in speaking, he would have shown it there.

In that appearance he spoke the phrase: “That lady with yellow flowers is a brave woman” (Quella donna con gialli fiore è una brava donna), referring to a lady with flowers who was standing under the balcony along with many other persons to greet Francis. Was that phrase decisive to discard the hypothesis of a stroke?

The phrase was spoken with a so feeble a voice that it was not clear enough to distinguish whether he was saying those words spontaneously or repeating a lesson he had received a few minutes before. The video shows that, after wisping out those words, he seemed to be afflicted with asphyxia and had to be rushed off the balcony to return to oxygen.

Also, it is not certain that, from where he was sitting leaning back in his wheelchair, he would even have been able to distinguish the lady with the yellow bouquet. So, in principle, the entire scene might have been staged to give the impression he is in better condition than he really is.

New phase of the Papacy

In an interview to America Magazine on March 21, 2025, Card. Victor Fernandez, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who is very close to Francis, affirmed that we are entering a new phase of the Papacy in which Francis will appear much less.

Actually, his words were: “I think that now a new pope begins.” Francis “is a man of surprises and surely he will have learned many things” during his stay of more than a month in Gemelli Hospital, he commented, “and who knows what he will pull out of the hat?”

Tucho Fernandez: We are entering phase two of the Francis Papacy

“His life will certainly have to change, but I cannot give details,” the Cardinal said, indicating that a new phase of the papacy will begin.

As for the process of relearning how to speak and a lesser public presence, he affirmed: “Now he needs rehabilitation because a long time [receiving] high-flow oxygenation dries you up and you almost have to learn to speak again. He has little strength in his voice, and so he needs therapy, time to recover the strength of his voice, also the muscles, because he has been too long without moving… and that’s the stage that comes now.”

These declarations of Card. Fernandez are not sufficient to clarify whether Francis had a stroke or not.

Card. Pietro Parolin, Vatican Secretary of State, gave an interview to Corriere della Serapublished March 29, 2025, in which he was more positive than “Tucho” Fernandez about the ability of Francis to govern the Church. In it he affirmed that “it is not the ideal situation, but I emphasize that the Pope is in a position to still govern the Church, and we are happy that he was able to come home.”

“There is no change in the essentials” of how the Roman Curia works, Parolin continued. While the Pope needs rest, docuмents are still brought to him on “issues which he and only he can and must decide.”

Oxygen & a vague gaze

“The governance of the Church is in his hands,” the Cardinal said. “But there are many more routine matters on which his Curia collaborators can proceed even without consulting him, on the basis of previously received indications and existing regulations.”

Despite these affirmations, we have seen the Vatican issuing the full schedule of the ceremonies for Holy Week and Easter, and in none of them is the presence of Pope Francis expected. A complete silence has fallen on the planned “New Council of Nicaea” planned to be held in May in that historical city. Certainly Francis cannot attend it.

Facing this scenario with so many shadows and so few lights, we have to become accustomed to a Church led by Cardinals in a less spectacular way than we have seen in these last 13 years. There are two questions to which I could not find answers:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2025, 10:50:55 AM »

I'm sure Tucho's got everything under control.

I've long surmised that from about 1954 on that the Curia and not Pius XII were running things in the Vatican, since Pius XII's health also took a dramatic downturn thanks to the activities of that one crazy witch doctor (whose embalming technique also later caused Pius XII's body to explode).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2025, 10:52:35 AM »

Now, the vegetable "pope" (or, rather, non-pope, or material pope) scenario raises some other questions. If the Pope isn't mentally competent, and someone else is signing stuff for him, are those acts really valid? It's similar to the "robo pen" question regarding Biden.

Clearly the answer is no, that if a vegetable pope doesn't know what he's doing, then nothing that others sign on his behalf has any authority.

Incredulous · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2025, 11:26:21 AM »

Honestly… Bergolio just needs to prepare for his eternity.

He’s given his life to the Revolution.

Now he has the time & solicitude to ponder his personal judgement and seek the true Sacraments.

VerdenFell · « **Reply #4 on:** April 03, 2025, 12:30:54 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on April 03, 2025, 11:26:21 AM

Honestly… Bergolio just needs to prepare for his eternity.

He’s given his life to the Revolution.

Now he has the time & solicitude to ponder his personal judgement and seek the true Sacraments.

I can't think of a single one of these ʝʊdɛօ/masonic elites who have shown the least bit of remorse, much less repentance for devoting their entire lives to trampling upon Christ.
In fact, they maintain their zeal right up to their last gasp of oxogen. John McCain and Ruth Bader Ginsburg
are recent examples that come to mind.
It's a bizarre thing because the average person typically loses interest in most worldly pursuits/pleasures as they draw nearer to the grave. My father was one of those men who could watch hour upon hour of football on Sundays but in his final years he lost all interest in sports. He stopped reading the newspapers and watching the news as well.
Then you've got some ghoul like John Kerry who is flying around the world every week at 81 years old to advance the agenda in whatever way he can.
No folks, these people aren't motivated by blackmail or profit, something far darker is driving them

Minnesota · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2025, 03:42:21 PM »

Leo XIII, Julian III and John Paul II all died in spring months on years that ended in 5. His 20th death anniversary was yesterday. I suspect Francis will not be long either.

Yeti · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2025, 05:07:51 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 03, 2025, 10:52:35 AM

If the Pope isn't mentally competent, and someone else is signing stuff for him, are those acts really valid?

.

How would the faithful know this, though? And if they can't, wouldn't this call every papal act into question? This makes it seem more likely to me that God would somehow prevent others from forging decrees of the pope that are promulgated to the whole Church, just as God would prevent a pope from defining something that is not actually a dogma. I heard that there was a pope during the controversy on grace who wanted to define one of the questions in the discussion, and the cardinals advised him it could not be defined, and warned him to leave it alone. He refused to listen, and was found dead suddenly in his bed shortly before the planned date of the definition. The next pope immediately threw out that definition.

But that's one way God can protect papal infallibility, by killing the pope before he can define something that is not true.

I kind of think the same would apply to the scenario you describe, since it seems sort of equivalent.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2025, 07:54:35 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on April 03, 2025, 05:07:51 PM

How would the faithful know this, though? And if they can't, wouldn't this call every papal act into question? This makes it seem more likely to me that God would somehow prevent others from forging decrees of the pope that are promulgated to the whole Church, just as God would prevent a pope from defining something that is not actually a dogma.

That would be to transfer the charism of infallibility from the pope to "the Church" somehow. Just because the faithful don't KNOW about something doesn't change the reality of the thing.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2025, 08:18:27 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 03, 2025, 07:54:35 PM

That would be to transfer the charism of infallibility from the pope to "the Church" somehow. Just because the faithful don't KNOW about something doesn't change the reality of the thing.

That whole quoad nos thing determining ontological reality quoad se smacks very strongly of phenomenology.

Angelus · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2025, 09:56:25 PM »

The quote below is the important part of the OP. The underlings are signaling the phase-change in the Bergoglioan Antipapacy. From his earlier manifestation as "the False Prophet" he will now manifest himself as "the Antichrist." Watch and pray.

New phase of the Papacy

In an interview to America Magazine on March 21, 2025, Card. Victor Fernandez, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who is very close to Francis, affirmed that we are entering a new phase of the Papacy in which Francis will appear much less.

Actually, his words were: “I think that now a new pope begins.” Francis “is a man of surprises and surely he will have learned many things” during his stay of more than a month in Gemelli Hospital, he commented, “and who knows what he will pull out of the hat?”

Tucho Fernandez: We are entering phase two of the Francis Papacy

“His life will certainly have to change, but I cannot give details,” the Cardinal said, indicating that a new phase of the papacy will begin.

Incredulous · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2025, 05:46:56 PM »

Quote from: VerdenFell on April 03, 2025, 12:30:54 PM

I can't think of a single one of these ʝʊdɛօ/masonic elites who have shown the least bit of remorse, much less repentance for devoting their entire lives to trampling upon Christ.
In fact, they maintain their zeal right up to their last gasp of oxogen. John McCain and Ruth Bader Ginsburg
are recent examples that come to mind.
It's a bizarre thing because the average person typically loses interest in most worldly pursuits/pleasures as they draw nearer to the grave. My father was one of those men who could watch hour upon hour of football on Sundays but in his final years he lost all interest in sports. He stopped reading the newspapers and watching the news as well.
Then you've got some ghoul like John Kerry who is flying around the world every week at 81 years old to advance the agenda in whatever way he can.
No folks, these people aren't motivated by blackmail or profit, something far darker is driving them

Agree... the conversion of Bergolio would be a miracle.

And the jews love to mock Catholic deathbed conversions too.

Recall the super kike, Norman Lear's family claiming he converted

Yeti · « **Reply #11 on:** April 05, 2025, 02:11:50 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 03, 2025, 07:54:35 PM

That would be to transfer the charism of infallibility from the pope to "the Church" somehow. Just because the faithful don't KNOW about something doesn't change the reality of the thing.

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I don't think you grasp the problem. What if someone said to you, "I don't believe the teachings of the Council of Trent, because I believe those popes were all corrupt and were being compromised through blackmail of their secret corrupt deeds by rigid scholastic monks who wanted all those teachings of Trent to become Catholic doctrine but it really isn't."

What would you say to such a person? Your argument would be limited to arguing about questions of fact, i.e., all you could say is, "You have no evidence of such blackmail." What if they said, "Yes, I do."? Would that entitle them to reject the definitions of Trent?

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