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Offline Geremia

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Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
« on: May 21, 2025, 07:27:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bonaventure link=msg=649415 date=1747863785
    The allegedly devout convert J.D. Vance refused to reverence the man he recognizes as pope. Vance claimed he met with Prevost as a representative of the United States, and not as a Catholic.

    However, when then Senator Vance visited the “Wailing Wall” in 2022, he had no issue reverencing said wall and wearing a tiny hat.


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    Following Theodor Herzl's footsteps…
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    Offline trento

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2025, 07:54:50 PM »
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  • Classic Americanism, rightly condemned by Leo XIII.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2025, 12:23:06 AM »
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  • So ... denying that Christ the King has sovereignty over nations.

    But that's V2 teaching, so Pervost should approve.

    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2025, 05:53:37 AM »
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  • So ... denying that Christ the King has sovereignty over nations.

    But that's V2 teaching, so Pervost should approve.
    I was gonna say “moreso denying a pope has sovereignty over a nation” but then I realized a Trad Catholic might say it’s the same thing

    but Then this raised a question for Me

    do you believe that a true pope (I know you don’t think this Leo is one, I just mean an actually true pope for the sake of argument) is capable of making commands that are POLITICALLY destructive and if that’s the case do you think such a pope could he “recognize and resisted” in the POLITICAL arena or do you believe Catholic leaders would be obliged to cooperate in the destruction of their own countries in that case?

    to pick an example (but don’t nitpick the example too much) let’s say there was a pope who agreed with you on all the major theological issues, EENS, TLM only, V2 holy orders invalid, the works, but he believed that immigration restrictions were illegitimate and unchristian and he commanded all leaders to open their borders

    as a Catholic would you see Vance as obligated to open the American border in obedience?

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2025, 06:19:11 AM »
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  • Catholics should be Catholic 24/7 in all they do. 

    Catholics break God’s commandment by going to the wailing wall wearing a head covering. 

    Catholics should not kiss anyone’s ring because only Jesus Christ is King. 

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2025, 06:23:54 AM »
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  • I was gonna say “moreso denying a pope has sovereignty over a nation” but then I realized a Trad Catholic might say it’s the same thing

    but Then this raised a question for Me

    do you believe that a true pope (I know you don’t think this Leo is one, I just mean an actually true pope for the sake of argument) is capable of making commands that are POLITICALLY destructive and if that’s the case do you think such a pope could he “recognize and resisted” in the POLITICAL arena or do you believe Catholic leaders would be obliged to cooperate in the destruction of their own countries in that case?

    to pick an example (but don’t nitpick the example too much) let’s say there was a pope who agreed with you on all the major theological issues, EENS, TLM only, V2 holy orders invalid, the works, but he believed that immigration restrictions were illegitimate and unchristian and he commanded all leaders to open their borders

    as a Catholic would you see Vance as obligated to open the American border in obedience?
    There are many true popes that made terrible political decisions that still have consequences today:

    1066 The destruction of Anglo-Saxon England by the Normans under the papal banner. England stopped being the Land of Saints 
    1152 Divorce of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII of France. She goes on to marry Henry II Plantagenet of England and takes half of France with her. 
    1892 Au Milieu des Sollicitudes - Pope Leon XIII informs French Catholics to work with the masonic republic
    1926 Condemnation of Action Française by Pius XI
    1929 Pope Pius XI tells the Cristeros to stop fighting




    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2025, 06:29:36 AM »
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  • If he believes that man is pope, then yes, I believe he should have; however, have any American politicians ever done so?  I don't recall any such videos/pictures, etc of past politicians doing this.

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2025, 06:59:43 AM »
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  • I guess this a good example of separation of church and state.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2025, 07:27:00 AM »
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    Following Theodor Herzl's footsteps…
    This is just political theater per the usual.


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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2025, 08:22:30 AM »
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  • His wife and his inner hindu demons told him to avoid any Catholic devotions that could be construed as to honor the true Seat.  
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #10 on: May 22, 2025, 08:23:02 AM »
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  • I guess this a good example of separation of church and state.
    Which is also a heresy. 


    Offline BOTHY

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2025, 09:58:06 AM »
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  • It brings to mind the words of Antony Blinken while visiting Israel after the October 7th "affair."

    "“I come before you not only as the United States secretary of state,” Antony Blinken told Israel during a live-streamed press conference in Tel Aviv on Thursday, “but also as a Jew.” IMO Vancy Pants didn't want to upset his AIPAC handlers or was ordered not to kiss the ring by TPTB. 

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2025, 12:06:53 PM »
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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #13 on: May 22, 2025, 02:44:53 PM »
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  • Which is also a heresy.
    Which shows you the "Catholic" religion that Vance practices is probably not the real deal.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Vance Refused to Kiss Prevost’s Ring
    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2025, 02:46:21 PM »
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  • he did the right thing for the wrong reasons