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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Geremia on May 21, 2025, 07:27:54 PM
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The allegedly devout convert J.D. Vance refused to reverence the man he recognizes as pope. Vance claimed he met with Prevost as a representative of the United States, and not as a Catholic.
However, when then Senator Vance visited the “Wailing Wall” in 2022, he had no issue reverencing said wall and wearing a tiny hat.
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(source (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=32973))
Following Theodor Herzl (http://"https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904")'s footsteps…
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Classic Americanism, rightly condemned by Leo XIII.
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So ... denying that Christ the King has sovereignty over nations.
But that's V2 teaching, so Pervost should approve.
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So ... denying that Christ the King has sovereignty over nations.
But that's V2 teaching, so Pervost should approve.
I was gonna say “moreso denying a pope has sovereignty over a nation” but then I realized a Trad Catholic might say it’s the same thing
but Then this raised a question for Me
do you believe that a true pope (I know you don’t think this Leo is one, I just mean an actually true pope for the sake of argument) is capable of making commands that are POLITICALLY destructive and if that’s the case do you think such a pope could he “recognize and resisted” in the POLITICAL arena or do you believe Catholic leaders would be obliged to cooperate in the destruction of their own countries in that case?
to pick an example (but don’t nitpick the example too much) let’s say there was a pope who agreed with you on all the major theological issues, EENS, TLM only, V2 holy orders invalid, the works, but he believed that immigration restrictions were illegitimate and unchristian and he commanded all leaders to open their borders
as a Catholic would you see Vance as obligated to open the American border in obedience?
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Catholics should be Catholic 24/7 in all they do.
Catholics break God’s commandment by going to the wailing wall wearing a head covering.
Catholics should not kiss anyone’s ring because only Jesus Christ is King.
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I was gonna say “moreso denying a pope has sovereignty over a nation” but then I realized a Trad Catholic might say it’s the same thing
but Then this raised a question for Me
do you believe that a true pope (I know you don’t think this Leo is one, I just mean an actually true pope for the sake of argument) is capable of making commands that are POLITICALLY destructive and if that’s the case do you think such a pope could he “recognize and resisted” in the POLITICAL arena or do you believe Catholic leaders would be obliged to cooperate in the destruction of their own countries in that case?
to pick an example (but don’t nitpick the example too much) let’s say there was a pope who agreed with you on all the major theological issues, EENS, TLM only, V2 holy orders invalid, the works, but he believed that immigration restrictions were illegitimate and unchristian and he commanded all leaders to open their borders
as a Catholic would you see Vance as obligated to open the American border in obedience?
There are many true popes that made terrible political decisions that still have consequences today:
1066 The destruction of Anglo-Saxon England by the Normans under the papal banner. England stopped being the Land of Saints
1152 Divorce of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII of France. She goes on to marry Henry II Plantagenet of England and takes half of France with her.
1892 Au Milieu des Sollicitudes - Pope Leon XIII informs French Catholics to work with the masonic republic
1926 Condemnation of Action Française by Pius XI
1929 Pope Pius XI tells the Cristeros to stop fighting
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If he believes that man is pope, then yes, I believe he should have; however, have any American politicians ever done so? I don't recall any such videos/pictures, etc of past politicians doing this.
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I guess this a good example of separation of church and state.
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(source (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=32973))
Following Theodor Herzl (http://"https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904")'s footsteps…
This is just political theater per the usual.
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His wife and his inner hindu demons told him to avoid any Catholic devotions that could be construed as to honor the true Seat.
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I guess this a good example of separation of church and state.
Which is also a heresy.
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It brings to mind the words of Antony Blinken while visiting Israel after the October 7th "affair."
"“I come before you not only as the United States secretary of state,” Antony Blinken (https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767908) told Israel during a live-streamed press conference in Tel Aviv on Thursday, “but also as a Jew.” IMO Vancy Pants didn't want to upset his AIPAC handlers or was ordered not to kiss the ring by TPTB.
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Which is also a heresy.
Which shows you the "Catholic" religion that Vance practices is probably not the real deal.
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he did the right thing for the wrong reasons
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Could it be, that Vance is in New Order, which is Masonry. Therefore, he never converted, but he wants the world to think he is? Like Crypto-Jews, pretenders.
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He's just slightly more "Catholic" (as if the term admits of degrees) than Biden, Pelos, Bergoglio, et al.
With the Conciliar Church, there is in fact a spectrum under their "big tent" ... from flaming heretics who pertinaciously deny many dogmas, who are termed "liberal" "Catholics" and then those who non-pertinaciously hold to only a small handful of errors (the "Trads" within Conciliarism), and those who are "conservative", meaning they only deny one or two dogmas, compared to the "liberals". Just the fact that the Conciliar Church recognizes all these as "Catholics" in some sense invalidates the entire religion.
If pertinacious heretics are Catholic and so are people who actually believe Church teaching, then whatever that definition of "Catholic" is that can encompass this entire spectrum or range of people, I am not one of those and I reject their definiton of the term.
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He's just slightly more "Catholic" (as if the term admits of degrees) than Biden, Pelos, Bergoglio, et al.
what would you know about catholic? your heretical hide says "God isn't a catholic god" . what a heretical retard you are
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what would you know about catholic? your heretical hide says "God isn't a catholic god" . what a heretical retard you are
I have heard this said several times. Please provide the context. Accusing someone of being a heretic should not be talked about lightly.
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I have heard this said several times. Please provide the context. Accusing someone of being a heretic should not be talked about lightly.
It's Croix having a sugar-brain meltdown. I never agreed with that formula, merely explained how there is a sense in which it's true, namely, where we cannot apply any adjectives to God, He transcends all characteristics. That's why God revealed His '"name" merely as "I am". God merely is. He is not this, that, or the other thing. What Croix called "scholarly gymnastics" is basically the first week of Thomistic Philosophy 101.
I also explained how taken in another sense it is heretical, and that Bergoglio likely had a confused blend of the heretical and non-heretical meanings in his muddled brain.
Croix needs some healthy fats in his diet before what's left of his brain shrivels up.
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It's Croix having a sugar-brain meltdown. I never agreed with that formula, merely explained how there is a sense in which it's true, namely, where we cannot apply any adjectives to God, He transcends all characteristics. That's why God revealed His '"name" merely as "I am". God merely is. He is not this, that, or the other thing. What Croix called "scholarly gymnastics" is basically the first week of Thomistic Philosophy 101.
I also explained how taken in another sense it is heretical, and that Bergoglio likely had a confused blend of the heretical and non-heretical meanings in his muddled brain.
Croix needs some healthy fats in his diet before what's left of his brain shrivels up.
Thanks for the reply. Who was Croix? I think he was before my time.
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Thanks for the reply. Who was Croix? I think he was before my time.
He was and he was not before your time. So, his original account name was "Croix de Fer" ... and he's been banned multiple times, but keeps showing up. We usually figure out his new accounts because of his posting style (often using vulgar language for Jews and occasionally women), but when we suspect it's him, usually you can flush him out by getting him going about his "refined sugar" diet. I don't care to get too into that particular controversy, but it's useful for exposing new accounts as "Croix" having returned.
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He was and he was not before your time. So, his original account name was "Croix de Fer" ... and he's been banned multiple times, but keeps showing up. We usually figure out his new accounts because of his posting style (often using vulgar language for Jews and occasionally women), but when we suspect it's him, usually you can flush him out by getting him going about his "refined sugar" diet. I don't care to get too into that particular controversy, but it's useful for exposing new accounts as "Croix" having returned.
Is that white working class scapegoat guy him too?
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Is that white working class scapegoat guy him too?
I wrote in another thread that I thought that certain members on the forum thought Everlast22 was an improved version of Croix about a year ago when he told us he got married. But perhaps that is wrong.
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Is that white working class scapegoat guy him too?
I went back and reviewed data and it does look like WWCS is the same type of person. I wonder if he has multiple accounts, so that when one gets banned, he already has another he is using. Maybe he has two accounts one where he acts like a normal person and one where he trolls. :confused:
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"...Catholics should not kiss anyone’s ring because only Jesus Christ is King.
Pope St. Pius X granted partial indulgence for kissing a bishop's ring. It also gives honor to Our Lord as the pope, Bishop of Rome, is His vicar on earth. Obedience, respect, devotion...all the good virtues. Only to Traditional truths of course. We continue the fight against Modernist Rome, with charity as + L showed.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fishermans-Ring
"...began in the Middle Ages as a gesture of respect for an ecclesiastic’s office and authority. During the reign of Pius X (1903–14), the act of kissing the ring of a cardinal or bishop granted the individual an indulgence. The custom began to change during the reign of Paul VI (1963–78), who reformed the system of indulgences and eliminated many formalities associated with his position, including gestures that conveyed subservience to the pope, such as kissing the pope’s ring, ..."
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From Wikipedia
...Since at least the Middle Ages it has been a tradition for Catholics meeting the pope to show their devotion by kissing the ring.[2]...
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POPE Paul VI, a modernist, all men are equal Freemasonic erroneous principles, downgraded this devotion.
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I wrote in another thread that I thought that certain members on the forum thought Everlast22 was an improved version of Croix about a year ago when he told us he got married. But perhaps that is wrong.
lol. I'm my own guy, I promise. However, I did find my wife through this forum, (indirectly).
I feel the need to chime in as the rough around the edge guy. :laugh1:
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lol. I'm my own guy, I promise. However, I did find my wife through this forum, (indirectly).
I feel the need to chime in as the rough around the edge guy. :laugh1:
OK, thank you for clearing that up! I think you probably know the thread to which I was referring. Generally speaking, I find your posts highly opinionated but normally even-tempered which I appreciate.
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lol. I'm my own guy, I promise. However, I did find my wife through this forum, (indirectly).
I feel the need to chime in as the rough around the edge guy. :laugh1:
Oooo tell us more (if you can) :popcorn:
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Oooo tell us more (if you can) :popcorn:
Hmmm. Indirectly through this forum. Let me think. So some sworn lifelong bitter enemy of his wife told her that she knew this great guy on CathInfo with the screen name Everlast22, and that he'd be quite the catch.
:laugh1:
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Is that white working class scapegoat guy him too?
Yes, indeed.
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Won't kiss the pope's ring, but he'll kiss the jew's ass.. . These khanservatives are so pathetic. They're like submissive little homos, how's it feel giving up your manhood little vance?