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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Vance's relgious views
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2024, 11:04:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 07, 2024, 10:25:00 AM
    This whole RCIA/OCIA/whatever thing strikes me as so much Newchurch groupthink.  My own reception into the Church, almost 50 years ago, was on a quiet Sunday afternoon with a few loved ones present, and that was it.  I understand that in larger parishes, there may have to be group classes (through which I did not go), but marching the catechumens through all of these "scrutinies" in front of the whole congregation, and sometimes leaving them unbaptized for years while all this plays out, is much an overwrought, sentimentalistic exercise in group dynamics as anything else.

    This sounds similar to my experience of RCIA.  I was at a notoriously liberal parish and they actually discouraged us from praying the Rosary.  That was supposedly an obsolete devotion from a time when many people were illiterate.  It took me decades to find traditional Catholicism. 

    I think my personal background is one reason I find this information about Vance so encouraging.  He sounds like he is rooted in the Church's intellectual tradition, even if he has not yet discovered the value of her liturgical tradition.  It makes such a good starting place.
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #16 on: November 07, 2024, 11:36:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on November 07, 2024, 08:54:13 AM
    And how amazing, I just found out that another Trump Administration official is also Catholic, namely RFK Kennedy! Ah the sweet revenge of the Kennedy family. We have a Kennedy back in the White House Administration. Catholic Hero and martyred President John F Kennedy (rest in peace) must be smiling down from Heaven. 

    Many politicians indentify as Catholic.  This is not sufficient reason to support them.  RFK Jr. is on record as  endorsing completely unrestricted abortion “even if it’s full term.”  https://www.ncregister.com/cna/robert-f-kennedy-jr-endorses-unrestricted-abortion-even-if-it-s-full-term

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    “My belief is that we should leave it to the woman, we shouldn’t have government involved,” Kennedy said on an episode of “The Sage Steele Show” aired on Wednesday. 
    Steele, who is a Catholic, pressed Kennedy further on whether he holds this position for the entirety of pregnancy, saying that “as a Catholic that definitely is a concern with many practicing Catholics.” 
    Kennedy responded by confirming that he would leave the decision to the pregnant woman “even if it’s full term.” 
    “I don’t think it’s ever OK,” Kennedy added. “I think we should do everything in our power to make sure that never happens, everything that we can do. But I think ultimately, nobody sets out to do that and there are always some kind of extenuating circuмstances that would make a mother make that kind of choice, a terrible, terrible choice which is, you know, you can’t overstate how bad that is, but ultimately, I think we have to trust the woman.” 

    Nor is there good reason to assume that JFK is a martyr who is now in heaven.  He had to distance himself from Catholic teaching in order to get elected in a country with a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry.  He made a famous speech in which he supported religious freedom and separation of Church and state.  He made the famous statement: “I am not the Catholic candidate for president,I am the Democratic Party's candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me.”

    Rather than assume he is in heaven, we should pray for his soul which is quite possibly in Purgatory.
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #17 on: November 07, 2024, 11:39:07 AM »
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    • Vance is a zionist, like the rest of them.. you dont get that far into politics without pledging your allegiance to the SOS. This is not debatable. 

    And one thing they all are as a collective is ANTI WHITE. Also not debatable. 
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #18 on: November 07, 2024, 11:45:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 07, 2024, 07:41:44 AM
    What I've read indicates that the wife is not a practicing Hindu although her parents are.  The Vance's children are being raised Catholic and she was supportive of his conversion to Catholicism.
    With her parents , she is in a tough spot.  The religions of India are cults.  We know young college girls have considered studying Christianity but the parents forbid it.  They come to USA for free college and are going back home. 

    She is married now. She and her children should  follow husband and follow the one true God instead of demons. 

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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #19 on: November 07, 2024, 11:53:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 07, 2024, 10:24:48 AM
    We need websites to promote Catholicism.
    Spread the gospel in person 24/7; not just Sundays.
    You're right. That's why I recently started https://reasonstobechristian.com/ website. It's for Catholic evangelism and Christian apologetics. We each should do what we can to promote the Kingship of Christ and win souls for Our Lord.

    On Kennedy, ok, maybe I got a little carried away. I do think JFK was martyred, yes. Look it up. He was killed by what the Lord calls the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan in Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9. He was martyred for opposition to Israel. That's why it's so dangerous and I think perhaps we don't appreciate sufficiently how dangerous it is for US politicians to speak up against the Israelity lobby/AIPAC etc. Congressman Massie is the only one who has done so so boldly and lived to tell the tale, although there were speculations about his wife's death.

    Anyway, still think a Desantis/Vance ticket for 2028 would be excellent. Desantis committed to a 15 week federal ban. Vance was earlier in favor of a complete ban on abortion, but he moderated a little or appeared to or because of Trump and the need to appeal to moderates etc. I still think JD is a solid Catholic. Pray for him. Let's see how it goes.
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #20 on: November 07, 2024, 11:59:23 AM »
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    • Vance is OD
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #21 on: November 07, 2024, 12:03:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 07, 2024, 06:52:49 AM
    Vance accepts sodomy.  
    Why do you think that?  I couldn't find any evidence for it.  This article says the opposite:
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/16/jd-vance-lgbtq-issues/74416361007/

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    Donald Trump selected JD Vance as his vice-presidential running mate for 2024 on Monday, hoping to benefit from his popularity with conservatives. But the decision swiftly drew condemnation from prominent LGBTQ advocacy groups who argue the legislation he supports is detrimental to the lesbian, gαy, bisɛҳuąƖ, transgender and queer community.

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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #22 on: November 07, 2024, 12:13:56 PM »
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    • Vance made a comment that Trump had the normal gαy guy vote.  

    There is nothing normal or Catholic about any gαy vote. 

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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #23 on: November 07, 2024, 12:26:58 PM »
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #24 on: November 07, 2024, 12:28:04 PM »
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    • Victory on the woke trans issue for the first time in living memory. Where oh where are the false prophets of doom naysaying that Trump wouldn't do anything on the trans issue? The below shows this fight is now won. There are only two genders: Biblically, biologically, factually, scientifically and in every other way and now legally too. Christians and pro lifers and anti woke ideology people will have influence in Trump's administration so its reasonable to expect some wins. Vance is one of them. Let him quietly get to work, and we should see more of this in time.

    "Sanity is being restored in our country. Christians should praise God for this.

    “I will ask congress to pass a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the United States government are male and female and they are assigned at birth.”

    https://x.com/grcastleberry/status/1854528415048548359


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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #25 on: November 07, 2024, 12:33:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 07, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
    Vance made a comment that Trump had the normal gαy guy vote. 

    There is nothing normal or Catholic about any gαy vote.
    In context, he was comparing "normal" gαys who just want to be left alone with the transgender movement which promotes the drugging and mutilation of children.  He thinks these "normal" gαys do not support the trans nonsense and would be okay with voting for Trump. 

    This is obviously a debatable view, but I do not think it is fair to call it "accepting sodomy" or take it as a statement that sodomy is normal.  It is more that he considers protecting children from the trans movement a higher priority.  But back when he was a candidate for the Senate he went on record as being opposed to federal legislation to codify protections for same-sex and interracial marriage,
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    Re: Vance's relgious views
    « Reply #26 on: November 07, 2024, 12:40:52 PM »
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    « Reply #27 on: November 07, 2024, 12:42:10 PM »
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    • Catholics should go to Catholic schools and universities because they preach the gospel of satan. 
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    « Reply #28 on: November 07, 2024, 01:08:45 PM »
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    • Vance is owned by Jew Peter Theil (Palantir) and is very connected to the Oligarchs. How that will impact his actions is open but worth watching.
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    « Reply #29 on: November 07, 2024, 01:20:29 PM »
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    • "A Tzedek decrees and God obeys." —the Koliner Rebbe






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    'Jєωιѕн Celebration' At RNC After JD Vance's VP Pick Announcement? Truth Behind Viral Video
    https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/Jєωιѕн-celebration-at-rnc-after-jd-vances-vp-pick-announcement-truth-behind-viral-video-article-111767767

    A video of a performance is going viral on social media as the celebration performance after JD Vance was picked as Donald Trump's running mate on Monday at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. However, Times Now can confirm that the video is not of the celebration performance after Vance was picked.

    The actual video, which was misleadingly shared by many as from the RNC, is actually from a Tzedek Association Appreciation Event that took place in Tarrytown, New York on March 10, 2024. Notably, Ohio Senator JD Vance was present at the event and also delivered a speech.

    The full video is available on YouTube.

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    Vance admires these megalomaniacs who belive they order God around.  Some "Catholic"!
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