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Offline SoldierOfChrist

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Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2020, 08:16:22 PM »
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  •  Born in California, to a Ukrainian-Jєωιѕн immigrant, Unz was raised in a Yiddish-speaking household.”

    Doesn’t sound like a trustworthy source of information to me.

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #91 on: January 05, 2020, 08:29:35 PM »
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  • Born in California, to a Ukrainian-Jєωιѕн immigrant, Unz was raised in a Yiddish-speaking household.”

    Doesn’t sound like a trustworthy source of information to me.

    If I cared more about politics, Mr. Unz would be someone I would be interested in. He is a Jew, yet I read a long article by him on the phenomena of revisionism and at the end he came to the conclusion that the 6 million dead Jews in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs was probably a lie. I thought that was very strange from a mainstream source who has regular readers and contributors like Steve Sailer, who I thought would be afraid to associate with someone with such beliefs. And of course It is interesting that a Jew would come to that conclusion.
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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #92 on: January 05, 2020, 08:43:28 PM »
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  • I suspect there are a fair number of folks on CathInfo who would be more or less favorable to your post here.  They don't want others to think in a too one sided way towards the modern state of Israel.  They don't seem to raise that concern about Iran.  It's almost hard not to judge them too harshly out of hand considering all the pro Israel and anti Iran propaganda a good number of them have been subjected to for many years of their lives.

    There are others on CathInfo including myself who take a very jaundiced view to near any of the official U.S. government narratives that are fed to us by the powers that be in America.  The official lying narratives go way back.  Here are just a few of the classics: 1) With no doubt whatsoever Spain blew up the U.S. battleship Maine, 2) FDR did not know that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor, 3) It was necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,  4) Tonkin Gulf Incident of 1964  was all true the way it was reported at the time to the Congress 5) Israel's 1967 attack on U.S.S. Liberty was a case of mistaken identity by Israel, 6) 9-11 was carried out by 19 hijackers, bla, bla, bla,  7) Iraq had WMD.

    You state that "Iran HAS to be taken down"  and just before that you tell us why: "Because Iran is the REAL center of middle eastern terrorism."  You also give us your plan of action: "With strategic hits on the targets identified by our military intelligence, until their regime agrees to stop working with the criminals in our government, or until we’ve killed their entire leadership and given their country a very raw deal."

    So, according to you and many others like John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, and the POTUS,  " Iran is the REAL center of middle eastern terrorism."  What exactly is terrorism, however, in the context of the largely unwelcome (and in Syria clearly illegal) occupation of U.S. forces in the Middle East?  Are you familiar with the term asymmetric warfare?  It is a type of warfare where generally one side is significantly more powerful militarily, thus forcing the weaker side to counteract their adversary in an unconventional way.  In terms of trying to control the narrative to their advantage the U.S. propaganda machine does not speak in terms of unconventional warfare, but rather in terms of terrorism.

    Why does Iran engage and support what the MSM invariably calls terrorism?   The answer is rather simple.  They consider it a part of what has been referred to as fourth generation warfare, a kind of warfare they consider quite legitimate in driving the Western invaders/occupiers out of their land.  They know only too well that if they had the military power of the U.S., the U.S. would not be occupying the Middle East in the first place.  Just as we would not allow any standing army or militia from Iran or Iraq to occupy Canada, much less the U.S. so too for them regarding U.S. in the Middle East.

    If a foreign power was occupying America and killing all kinds of innocent Americans in the process would we TradCats and others not be trying to drive them out.  No doubt we would be engaging in asymmetric warfare or at least I hope we would!

    What would we think of a country that somehow placed sanctions on Canada or Mexico which directly resulted in the death of 500,000 or more children.  Would we look the other way and say well at least the country doing the sanctioning is not carrying out terrorism in Canada or Mexico?  Are you not aware of how many innocent civilians U.S. sanctions on Iraq caused?  Right now our sanctions are working to devastate the economy of Iran. Again, how would we feel if Iran somehow could and did place devastating sanctions on our country?  

    Your plan to take down Iran is not only reckless, it is unrealistic, immoral.and extremely dangerous and costly.  It also clearly violates the long held Catholic teaching on just war.

    I give you the favor of the doubt in meaning well Soldier, but as you may well know, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.



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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #93 on: January 05, 2020, 08:58:30 PM »
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  • Just in case you missed it.
    I responded to this post Nadir.  What is your point?

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #94 on: January 05, 2020, 09:32:27 PM »
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  • A Dubious Official Story Masks the True Motives Behind the Soleimani Assassination
    January 4, 2020 in News by RBN Staff



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    source: www.unz.com
    Behind the official yet dubious justifications for the U.S. airstrike that killed a top Iranian general on Friday lies a confluence of factors — some decades in the making, others more recent — that are pushing the U.S. towards yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East.
    BAGHDAD — The recent assassination of Iran’s most popular and well-known general, Qassem Soleimani, has stoked fears that a new war pitting the U.S. and its allies against Iran could soon become a devastating and deadly reality. The airstrike that killed Soleimani, conducted by the U.S. in Baghdad, was conducted without the authorization or even prior notification of the U.S. Congress and without the approval of Iraq’s government or military, making the attack flagrantly illegal on multiple levels. The attack also killed Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, who was an advisor to Soleimani.
    “The assassination of an Iraqi military commander who holds an official position is considered aggression on Iraq … and the liquidation of leading Iraqi figures or those from a brotherly country on Iraqi soil is a massive breach of sovereignty,” Iraq’s Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi said of the attack, adding that the assassination was “a dangerous escalation that will light the fuse of a destructive war in Iraq, the region, and the world.”
    READ MORE HERE
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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #95 on: January 05, 2020, 09:49:07 PM »
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  • If I cared more about politics, Mr. Unz would be someone I would be interested in. He is a Jew, yet I read a long article by him on the phenomena of revisionism and at the end he came to the conclusion that the 6 million dead Jews in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs was probably a lie. I thought that was very strange from a mainstream source who has regular readers and contributors like Steve Sailer, who I thought would be afraid to associate with someone with such beliefs. And of course It is interesting that a Jew would come to that conclusion.
    I’m not saying he’s NOT trustworthy, but I’m saying he doesn’t sound trustworthy to me.  I take everything from the media in light of the following:
    “In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attract the tepid and indifferent. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.”
    Since the Overton window is not statically in place, it could mean it’s time for them to establish agents within the revisionist movement.  That said, I will read the article and give a response.

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #96 on: January 05, 2020, 10:49:16 PM »
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  • Which question do you want me to answer?  I’m not going to waste my time working on an honest answer to any of your questions, if I’m going to come back to reply and find a barrage of more questions issued with snark and disrespect.

    I hope at least some of you who are following this thread could flip back to page 6 to see the questions I posed to SoldierOfChrist (SOC).

    Each one of the questions I posed to SOC was in response and very relevant to his posts.  Each was asked in good faith.  Each was very clear and direct with no ambiguity whatsoever.

    Here's the deal SOC.  Answer my questions clearly and honestly and I won't ask you any more.  I promise!  But at least for the sake of the people following this thread and so as not to make excuses answer the ones I have posed to you.  Each is worthy of an answer -- especially from someone who believes in your game plan ultimatum which you have stated on this thread: "Iran HAS to be taken down."

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #97 on: January 05, 2020, 10:56:01 PM »
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  • Let’s look at the persuasive essay from unz.com

    It states:
    Donald Trump rode to victory in 2016 on a promise to end the useless wars in the Middle East, but he has now demonstrated very clearly that he is a liar. Instead of seeking detente, one of his first actions was to end the JCPOA nuclear agreement and re-introduce sanctions against Iran.

    To put this deal in perspective: 
     H.J.Ansari Zarif’s senior advisor: “If Europeans stop trading with Iran and don’t put pressure on US then we will reveal which western politicians and how much money they had received during nuclear negotiations to make #IranDeal happen.”

    So Trump cancelled a deal with Iran which was pushed forward through the bribery of Western politicians, admitted explicitly by an Iranian senior advisor.  And who bankrolled this corrupt deal?  American taxpayers.

    Moving on, the piece states:
    In reality, the series of foolish attacks initiated by the United States over the past week will only hasten the departure of much of the U.S. military from the region.

    Isn’t that what we want?

    The piece then states:
    after the counter-strike killed 26 Iraqi soldiers, the mass demonstrations against the Embassy in Baghdad became inevitable.

    But, according to associates press, which is admittedly unreliable:
    The breach at the embassy followed U.S. airstrikes on Sunday that killed 25 fighters of the Iran-backed militia in Iraq, the Kataeb Hezbollah.

    So which is it?  Were they Iraqi soldiers or were they an Iran backed militia?  We’ll need to find out.

    According to the essay:
    That will in turn make the situation for the remaining U.S. troops in neighboring Syria untenable. And it will also force other Arab states in the region to rethink their hosting of U.S. soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen due to the law of unanticipated consequences as it is now clear that Washington has foolishly begun a war that serves no one’s interests.

    But Trump has been trying to withdraw troops from Syria for some time now.  The neocons have been fighting him on it, as evidenced by a quick google search of news articles related to Syrian troop withdrawal.  Here is one of them.  https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/04/the-realists-are-wrong-about-syria/

    It continues:
    The blood of the Americans, Iranians and Iraqis who will die in the next few weeks is clearly on Donald Trump’s hands as this war was never inevitable and served no U.S. national interest.

    The blood of those who die in American strikes certainly is on his hands.  The blood of those who die in counterstrikes will be on the hands on the one striking.  This is common sense.

    The piece concludes with a bio of the author:
    Philip M. Giraldi is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served nineteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. He was the CIA Chief of Base for the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 and was one of the first Americans to enter Afghanistan in December 2001. Phil is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a Washington-based advocacy group that seeks to encourage and promote a U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East that is consistent with American values and interests.

    Well imagine my shock that this was written by a high level CIA agent under the Bush administration.  What other important information have we received from ex-CIA officers?  Here’s a list:

    1) Saddam Hussein is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 
    Demonstrably false

    2)Russian hackers penetrated the DNC servers and downloaded the emails to Russia.
    Demonstrably false.  The download rates were not consistent with any public network connection which would have been necessary to hack from overseas.  The only way this data could have been moved at the speed recorded in logs is with a locally connected USB drive or stick.

    3) John Brennan, former CIA director told congress 
    the Hillary-Steele dossier was not relied upon for the Obama administration’s Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).
    False.  The IG report proved it was the main resource used repeatedly to open a FISA investigation against the Trump campaign and then to renew the warrant several times.

    Battery is dying.  I’ll cut my post at what I’ve written.


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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #98 on: January 06, 2020, 04:42:28 AM »
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  • I responded to this post Nadir.  What is your point?
    Two things: 

    I responded #92 to Klas' reply #76 which Is exactly what I believe and would like to say (if only I could express myself so well, sigh!) without realising that there had been several posts made, in between, including yours.

    I have a particular aversion to American jingoism, which is so often expressed here.
    Now I will go back and read your response.
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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #99 on: January 07, 2020, 12:43:48 AM »
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  • Now I will answer two questions.  What role did Iran play in 911?  And why does Iran need to be “taken down”?

    Our nation was attacked.  In a horrendous way we were attacked.  Our office buildings were blown up with normal people inside.  We were going about our business and witnessed two massive buildings, filled with people, demolished with them inside.  I actually went to school with someone who was inside one of those towers.  It was shocking.  It was horrific.  And it was life changing.

    Then we were told to never forget what happened, and to never forget who had done this to us.  We all grew sick of this rhetoric over the course of several years, as our country’s military went around the middle east, occupying, annihilating, killing civilians, searching for non-existent wmd’s, and while this was happening, throngs of us woke up.  It was a long learning curve.  Figuring out who really did it, fighting to preserve our rights, fighting to win back control of our country, studying to understand real history, and how deep the rabbit hole would take us.

    So who is responsible for 911?  Our own deep state is primarily responsible.  They masterminding the murder of thousands of people, in a satanic sacrifice.  Israel is a close second.  They were heavily involved.  Saudi Arabia and the UK were also heavily involved.  So how was Iran involved?  To my knowledge they weren’t. Maybe that will change once all of the truth is out, but I know of no involvement by them in the events of 911.

    Why then do they need to be taken down?

    We’ve been at war with our own deep state for the last 19 years.  We elected Obama because we thought that he was the antithesis of Bush, but it turned out that we’d elected the same man in new skin.  We suffered eight years under Bush, and then got fooled again as they say, and were punished for our stupidity with another eight years of the same BS.  When 2016 came around, we said NEVER AGAIN.  Wise to the media lies, we elected the man they seemed to hate more than anyone.  In comes Donald Trump.  He has his marching orders.  Undo the last 16 years of state sponsored terrorism abroad, and tyranny at home.  But the media and the corrupt politicians wouldn’t have it.  They would not allow the man we elected to govern one day without dishonest reports about him and his family, paid rioters in the streets to attack his supporters, brainwashing of our families and friends, to make them think we were nαzιs.  Poisoning our food with ridiculous amounts of herbicides, poisoning our children’s souls with transgenderism and sodomy being mandatorially taught in schools.  Forcing them to take vaccines with foreign human dna in them from aborted children.  Invading our country (and all other western countries) with scores of dirtbags from the third world, who had no inclination of assimilating, and were antagonistic to us in our own lands.  We have a hot war on our hands.  They’re trying to remove our president with BS charges.  If we don’t fight and destroy them, they will destroy us, and destroy our children.

    What about Iran?

    The deep state has three countries they’ve been working with the most through all of this.  North Korea, China, and Iran.  The swamp which we are routing from our country, is festering in Iran.  They stole billions of dollars from us to fund the nuclear program they are working on in Iran.  North Korea and Russia helped their scientists to develop the program.  North Korea had its own program but blew it up and made it look like an earthquake.  Kim took a deal to stop working with our deep state.  That gave us tremendous help in fighting them here.  President Zi has been somewhat friendly.  Still an adversary, but at least waiting out Trump.  Iran has been still working with our deep state.  Traitors in the CIA are operating unabated in Iran.  They’ve got spies in our congress.  They’ve completely aligned themselves with our enemies and are helping them.  They are a threat to us winning the war here in America.  And they cannot be allowed to be.  I trust Trump and I trust the Q team to bring us through this.  And if you think that’s American jingoism, all I have to say is, at least we didn’t hand the overlords our guns.  We can still defend OUR property. What can you defend over there? 

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #100 on: January 07, 2020, 02:43:03 AM »
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  • So how was Iran involved [in 911]?  To my knowledge they weren’t.  I know of no involvement by them in the events of 911.
     
    Seen at the bottom of Reply #78 by SoldierOfChrist:
    [klasG4e] Your plan to take down Iran is not only reckless, it is unrealistic, immoral.and extremely dangerous and costly.  It also clearly violates the long held Catholic teaching on just war.
    [SoldierOfChrist] It does not.  We were attacked by these deep states [Soldier of Christ includes Iran in Reply #78] on 911

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    So here we have a clear case of SOC contradicting himself (after I had challenged his assertion on 9-11 in my Reply #84: "Please be so kind as to inform us of just how exactly Iran was in any way, shape, or form part of the attacks on 9-11.")  in a very big way.  Nevertheless,  not to worry all you dumb Goyem -- SOC soldiers on in insisting that Uncle Sam must take down Iran.



    Small consolation I guess -- at least SOC answered 2 of the questions I posed to him on p.6.  Hope he can soldier on in addressing the few remaining ones.

    As for all the rest of SOC's last post, be my guest if you wish to try to disentangle it all and find inspiration(?) to sign up to go over and take down Iran.


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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #101 on: January 07, 2020, 06:34:35 AM »
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  • Seen at the bottom of Reply #78 by SoldierOfChrist:
    [klasG4e] Your plan to take down Iran is not only reckless, it is unrealistic, immoral.and extremely dangerous and costly.  It also clearly violates the long held Catholic teaching on just war.
    [SoldierOfChrist] It does not.  We were attacked by these deep states [Soldier of Christ includes Iran in Reply #78] on 911

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    So here we have a clear case of SOC contradicting himself (after I had challenged his assertion on 9-11 in my Reply #84: "Please be so kind as to inform us of just how exactly Iran was in any way, shape, or form part of the attacks on 9-11.")  in a very big way.  Nevertheless,  not to worry all you dumb Goyem -- SOC soldiers on in insisting that Uncle Sam must take down Iran.



    Small consolation I guess -- at least SOC answered 2 of the questions I posed to him on p.6.  Hope he can soldier on in addressing the few remaining ones.

    As for all the rest of SOC's last post, be my guest if you wish to try to disentangle it all and find inspiration(?) to sign up to go over and take down Iran.
    You retard.  I never said Iran had anything to do with 911.  You asked me the question and insisted on it.  I linked it.  All things in this world do have something to do with one another and you wanted the relationship between two very far away things.  I’ll never perform an act of charity like this again.  Answering one of your idiotic questions.  You stupid, mindless, bigot.  The jokes on you friend.  It’s the zionists who push Jew hatred, hatred of blacks, kkk, all of that bs, because it makes the goys look dumb.  Have fun with David Duke, protesting Trump, while they’re laughing at you for weakening our position.

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #102 on: January 07, 2020, 06:51:06 AM »
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  • You retard.  I never said Iran had anything to do with 911.  You asked me the question and insisted on it.  I linked it.  All things in this world do have something to do with one another and you wanted the relationship between two very far away things.  I’ll never perform an act of charity like this again.  Answering one of your idiotic questions.  You stupid, mindless, bigot.  The jokes on you friend.  It’s the zionists who push Jew hatred, hatred of blacks, kkk, all of that bs, because it makes the goys look dumb.  Have fun with David Duke, protesting Trump, while they’re laughing at you for weakening our position.

    Wow -- talk about damage control!  Not much to unhinge you I guess.  Thanks for showing your true colors even though you have misrepresented me and your prior posts in the process.

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    Re: US takes out Iranian military leader
    « Reply #103 on: January 07, 2020, 08:46:25 AM »
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  • Remember that the Saudi Crown killed an American journalist for speaking out against the government. If there were ever a a country to get mad at, it'd be them.

    Iran is peanuts compared to KSA.

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    « Reply #104 on: January 07, 2020, 05:12:25 PM »
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  • Wow -- talk about damage control!  Not much to unhinge you I guess.  Thanks for showing your true colors even though you have misrepresented me and your prior posts in the process.
    Please accept my apology for my unkind words.  This is a reminder to me of why I stay off of the internet.  It brings out the worst in me, and I say things unbecoming of a christian.  I was very sick when I woke up this morning.  Just recovering from a bad flu, and I’ve got a massive toothache.  I was not in my right mind and regretted my nastiness all day.  After looking back over the conversation, you are logically correct.  Based on what I said, it is not a far leap to presume that I hold Iran partially responsible for 911.  I don’t, and didn’t mean for my statement to be taken that way.  However, using the broad term “these deep states”, lumps them all in as a big guilty party.  They are part of the group in today’s version of “these deep states”, but to my knowledge they were not in 2001.  At that time, it would have been ourselves, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UK.