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Offline Tiffany

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 12:55:35 PM »
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    I agree MD. I feel bad for those who are out of a job for a couple of weeks or whose pay is uncertain, but many people are freaking out over extras. If this lady is talking about the WIC program, they will be switching that child over to milk in a month anyway. Many people who qualify for WIC also qualify for SNAP so no one should really be starving because I'm pretty sure SNAP is still working.

    One of my FB friends was furious that her son was crying over a game that was cancelled. It must be an extra program at their base. She garnered so much sympathy for having had to explain to him about the government and how they are arguing like children etc... On and on she went, dramatizing this, with friends all up in arms on her behalf.

    Normally she's a pretty level-headed person but I'm sure that half the hysteria her poor son went through was learned from her own reaction. Why does an 8 year old need to be subjected to the explanations about it being the government's fault anyways? It's a game! They get cancelled sometimes. Have a pizza night or do something fun to make up for it.

    Some complaints are legitimate, but most of it is just inconvenience. The fury over extras tells you how spoiled we really are.



    I agree with you. I feel bad the boy is disappointed as they really look forward to things like that but seriously have some perspective folks! Turn off the news and take him mini-golf or invite another family to the park. I saw a post this morning how bad off military families are now they have to shop off base. They have stable pay, healthcare benefits, help in a crisis, housing and they are suffering to have to shop at Wal-Mart?


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    « Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 11:05:33 PM »
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  • Bank accounts are short a couple hundred bucks. Federal employees fret about not heading to work. Vacations are delayed, canceled or ruined. Basic everyday services disappear.

    Those are some of the effects Americans saw Tuesday morning after the U.S. government staggered to a stop at midnight, and millions, including 800,000 furloughed federal workers, began to cope with the hiccups — some irritating but small and others large and worrisome.

    As the shutdown starts, Yahoo News is cataloging anecdotes Americans are sharing with us. Below are excerpts from some first-person accounts we received Tuesday. If you’re directly and concretely affected by the shutdown, we’re interested in your story. Learn how to contribute.

    Vonda J. Sines, 65, of Herndon, Va., retired in 2004 from a federal government job and thought the shutdowns of 1995 and ‘96 long past. Now, with Congress’ shuttering of the government less than 24 hours old, she and her husband notice an immediate hit: The loss of his income from his federal contractor job means a $174.33 drop from their budget each day the shutdown persists. It’s also put a scare into her as she enters Social Security. Sines writes:

    Covered by the newer federal retirement system, I'm eligible for Social Security and signed up for Medicare Parts A and B in 2012. I had decided to apply in October for Social Security payments starting Jan. 1, 2014.

    Because I had questions about my benefits, I opted not to apply online, but to schedule an interview. Then I read that a shutdown could mean no processing of Social Security applications. Even imagining the potential backlog triggered a headache.

    I scrambled to get an appointment. After 42 minutes on hold, I snagged a telephone appointment at 1:45 p.m. on Sept. 30 — just under the wire. I had to cut an important doctor's appointment short to get home in time for the call. When the phone hadn't rung 10 minutes after the scheduled time, I felt nauseated from stress. It finally did. Had I been unable to sign up before the shutdown, receiving benefits of around $2,000 a month could have been delayed.

    Since we were already on a bare-bones budget, we cannot tighten it. Savings must replace lost income. The only relief in sight is what we can create ourselves. However, I have already fired one salvo of emails to all our congressmen to express my disgust over their inability to keep the government afloat.

    D.C. Douglass and his wife scrimped pennies, he says, for three years to pay for their twice-a-decade trip to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park where they vacation with his sisters and their families from Texas and Florida. But the government shutdown has closed 401 national parks, including the Smokies. Park roads and service facilities are unavailable, and visitors are being asked to leave immediately, according to ParkAdvocate.org. Renting two cabins for a week set his group back $6,000. Douglass writes:

    I understand this is not a situation that is going to elicit much sympathy from government employees who are going to go without paychecks or Americans who are waiting for FHA mortgage approvals. But this ridiculous partisan spat is negatively affecting millions of Americans, and our illustrious Congress does not seem to care a bit. And it is costing me money.

    I am writing this while sitting on the deck of a mountainside cabin in Wears Valley, Tenn., just outside the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. My family comes from around the country to congregate here in the autumn every five years. My wife and I make the 10-hour drive from the suburbs of Detroit to hike, camp and enjoy the Smokies' magnificent fall color. We made our reservations nearly a year in advance. We saved our pennies for nearly three years.

    Again, the cost is really not the object. It is the experience we relish, as I am now approaching 60, and the strenuous uphill hike to the lodge is getting more difficult with each passing year. But I still look forward to making the trip. Perhaps we will not make it this year after all, thanks to our uncompromising legislators. Not that they care.

    Let me also say that I am not one of the 1 percent. I am not even close to it. This is a trip we save for all year, often bypassing other pleasures to be certain we the funds are available. I do not expect anyone to feel sorry for us.

    In San Diego, Robert Clark Young has cared for five years for his infirm father, who needs government-issued IDs for doctor visits, emergency-room care and access to handicapped services. Young mailed off the necessary paperwork for a federal passport card, but with the government shutdown and a local office unfunded and unsupported, there’s no one to process the application. Young writes:

    How long will the government be closed for business? Who can say? But I know one thing: Giving my father the daily care that he needs could be complicated if he lacks legal identification.

    My father's HMO requires a valid photo ID before providing him with routine medical care. His catheter is changed once a month, for instance, and the scheduling puts him in different facilities with different nurses. What if he has no ID at the time of his appointment?

    Over the past five years, my dad has been in the emergency room 12 times. He's always been asked for a photo ID.

    Technically, we can't even use a handicapped parking space without my father being able to prove that he's the person the placard is assigned to.

    Shutting the government down affects millions of Americans in ways large and small. I hope the Republicans in Congress will compromise on this matter, before the inconvenience to Americans becomes too great.

    Meanwhile, we'll be trying to get my dad an ID card issued by the state of California. The Democrats are in charge here, and the state is open for business.

    Kim Jacobs Walker’s husband works in an administrative position for the federal government in Austin, Texas, and as of Monday, he’s furloughed. Walker says a less obvious result of the government shutdown is that federal employees will get fed up and look for work elsewhere.

    He works for the federal government and has for more than six years, and for now, he's on vacation without pay.

    It isn't like those snow days we had in school as kids. He will likely spend the day worrying about how we're going to pay the bills this month, and how long this will last. I have an eBay business, so I told him he can help me with some listings while he's off. Maybe we can generate a little extra money that way.

    The biggest frustration with this situation, aside from the fact that we don't know when it will end, is that a lot of avenues to coping with it are blocked. He can't apply for unemployment unless it lasts for more than a week. He can't get a temporary job lasting more than a day, because Congress could miraculously reach an agreement at any moment, and he would be called back to work. We're in limbo.

    I'm encouraging him to spend his free time applying for jobs outside the federal government. The economy here in Austin has remained stronger than most. There are still jobs to be had, though I suspect that this week, there will be a veritable flood of new applicants.

    http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-stories-congressional-quarreling-affecting-us-173012233.html


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    « Reply #17 on: October 10, 2013, 02:09:40 AM »
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  • The Archdiocese for the Military Services in the US estimates that 50 priests were prevented from celebrating Mass on military bases on Sunday, October 6, because of a policy barring civilian chaplains during the federal government shutdown.

    Although the US House of Representatives voted 400 to 1 to allow civilian chaplains on bases, and the Defense Department announced that it was recalling civilian employees, these policies apparently came too late to allow some chaplains to administer the sacraments. Chaplains have been assured that they will be able to resume normal schedules this coming Sunday.

    Chaplains who were not active-duty members of the armed forces were prohibited from celebrating Mass because of a policy that barred contractual employees from military bases during the government shutdown.

    One Catholic priest who was stopped from celebrating Mass at a base in Georgia, Father Ray Leonard, reported: “My parishioners were upset. They were angry and dismayed. They couldn’t believe that in America they’d be denied access to Mass by the government.” Rep. Tim Huelskamp had this reaction:

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19303

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    « Reply #18 on: October 10, 2013, 03:31:43 PM »
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  • I don't know if it makes a difference, but most people aren't employed by the federal government, nor are they dependent upon the government for much if anything. Most people I've talked to didn't even notice, and even less cared once they did know.

    This administration does have a good way of making itself look like one big, ugly spoiled child. They waste a phenominal amount of resources for the most ridiculous things, and then demand more money.

    I just had this conversation with my DD over the same thing (allowance). But if she shuts down and refuses to work, I don't cave in and give her more money. I stop paying her.  
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    Not exactly genius stuff, but Boehner gave him his money anyway...
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 04:56:31 AM »
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  • After 16 days of a partial government shutdown, the House and Senate finally, on Wednesday night, agreed on legislation to fund the government.

    And according to almost every report, the funding legislation, which was quickly signed into law by President Barack Obama, also raised the nation’s debt ceiling.

    Except, that’s not exactly true.

    What actually happened was that Congress voted to effectively suspend the debt ceiling from Oct. 17, 2013, through Feb. 7, 2014. In other words, they didn't raise the debt ceiling ― they eliminated it altogether until Feb 7 of next year.

    As it turns out, this is the second time this year that Congress has essentially turned over the keys on debt spending. And there’s every reason to believe it will do so again when both sides pick up this fight in a few months.

    Allowing the White House to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval is a move reportedly favored by Obama, but conservative critics say it will lead to disastrous and unchecked increases in spending.

    In 1917, Congress created the debt ceiling, technically known as the Second Liberty Bond Act.


    Before the first debt ceiling was created, Congress has to approve each individual bond and increase in national debt. Passage of the first debt ceiling began the slow march of handing over power to the executive branch, allowing the president to issue bonds without congressional approval. The only requirement is that the total amount of bonds issued stay within the debt ceiling amount mandated by Congress.

    But during the 2012 debt ceiling debate, Congress took this handover of power one step further by giving President Obama a set period of time to increase the debt ceiling at his discretion. The No Budget, No Pay Act of 2013 suspended the debt ceiling from Feb. 4, 2013, to May, 19, 2013. After that, the actual debt ceiling was raised, but only enough to allow the government to safely pay its debts through October 17.

    As the Daily Caller explains, now most Americans effectively have no idea how much debt the government will accrue between now and the February deadline. And without a debt ceiling, Congress and the White House could conceivably raise the debt without limit.

    The Washington Post explains that suspending the debt ceiling actually stems from an idea floated by Mitch McConnell back in 2011. Under McConnell’s proposal, the president would have the sole authority to raise the debt ceiling. Congress would then vote to approve or disapprove of the change. If it voted to disapprove, the president could then veto the disapproval. And as with any presidential veto, Congress would then have to pass a two-thirds majority vote to overturn the veto and effectively block raising the debt ceiling.

    Regardless of which path Congress and the White House take, they’re likely to be wrestling with massive debt for a long time to come.

    Technically, the U.S. has carried a national debt every year going back to 1835. The dollar amount continues to grow each year, even as it has become a smaller percentage of the overall federal budget in recent years. The federal debt reached its peak as a percentage of the U.S. budget during World War II.

    That fact has led several respected economists, including former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, to question why we even have a debt ceiling.

    "Why do we have a debt limit in the first place? We appropriate funds, we have tax law, and one reasonably adept at arithmetic can calculate what the debt change is going to be,” Greenspan said during an April, 2011, appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

    “The Congress and the president have signed legislation predetermining what that number is,” Greenspan continued. “Why we need suspenders and belts is something I've never understood.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/there-is-no-debt-ceiling-in-place-and-here%E2%80%99s-why-235736781.html