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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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« on: September 30, 2013, 06:51:59 PM »
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  • And they don't have to have Obama/Clintoncare.  They have the best of everything.  They don't care about anyone but themselves.  They are living a Hollywood lifestyle like novus ordo bishops cardinals and athletes.
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    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 11:01:26 PM »
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  • Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 09:24:47 AM »
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  • The Democrats have forced Catholic adoption agencies to give children to gay couples and in turn it forced Catholic adoption agencies to be shutdown. Now the Democrats will be forcing Catholic health facilities to  accept the immoral practice of abortion or be shutdown.

    So much freedom in the United States. I can hardly bare this much freedom.  

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    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 11:43:40 AM »
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  • What would happen if hunters went poaching in National Parks?  Are there any rangers working to stop them?

    I went fishing in West Glacier once, (illegal but I did not realise that at the time).  They would bite the silver hook with no bait on it.  The lakes were teeming with them.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 04:45:52 PM »
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  • Is the government still shut down.  
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    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 04:59:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Is the government still shut down.  


    As far as I know.

    I'd say if a shutdown causes even a small part of Obamacare to go away, it will be well worth it. Those not getting paid today might disagree, though.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 05:19:45 PM »
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  • Thanks.  I was wondering.  :)
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    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 07:39:54 PM »
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  • The secret is, it is only 8% of the government that shut down.

    The remaining 92% is not affected.

    Nothing to be concerning about.

    Do not fall for the mass media propaganda.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 07:57:40 PM »
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  • It is all a lot of bologna. These are the same people who hyped up sequestration. Those initial cuts didn't even amount to the projected 3% and were later restored.

    There is no sanctuary in the Republican party. We are continually told that they are fiscally conservative, yet in the end they always pass irresponsible budgets. We are told they will nominate conservatives for SCOTUS, but it never happens. Nor do they ever oppose the far left's nominees. We get justices like Scalia who said publicly that he values the Talmud over the constitution and Roberts who backed socialized medicine and cried joyfully over granting fags marital rights. The further back we go the worse it gets with Ike putting Warren on the court who found in favor of communists in 50 consecutive cases, among countless examples since then.  

    We really have not had a conservative president since Jefferson and he was a deist. We had a shot with Taft but he failed and it has been down hill ever since.

    O.K., bottom line lets see what the budget and debt ceiling amount too.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 12:56:37 AM »
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  • In a shopping center parking lot 1,300 miles from Washington’s bureaucracy and bickering, teen mom Karina Luciano loaded a watermelon and baby formula into her car.

    Luciano didn’t realize the federal assistance program that just purchased the food items for her children, Aimee, 2, and Jaiden, 11 months, is now in jeopardy because of the government shutdown.

    “Oh my god, I think I’m going to cry,” Luciano said upon learning the news. “This is really bad.”

    Nearly 9 million low-income mothers and children receive benefits under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. Congress’ inability to pass a funding bill forced the USDA, which oversees the $7 billion program, to shutter support for WIC’s clinical services, food and administrative costs.

    “Due to the lapse in federal government funding, this website is not available,” read a message on the WIC page of USDA.gov.

    The defunding, which doesn't affect USDA programs for school lunches and food stamps, is already producing consequences across the country.

    Late on Tuesday, WIC officials in Utah closed all offices and canceled appointments until the federal government resumes operations.

    “Utah WIC checks for the month of October are still being accepted at WIC authorized grocery stores,” the Utah Department of Health wrote on its website.

    Meanwhile, the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals said no new WIC applicants will be accepted but that benefits will continue for current participants.

    “Based upon the new federal guidance, it is estimated that the program can continue to operate with these modifications for the next two weeks,” the agency's website said.

    In Texas, WIC is administered by the Department of State Health Services. A spokesperson said there have been no program changes and that they have enough in reserves to keep them afloat.

    “However, if the shutdown continues, we could have some issues in the coming weeks,” Christine Mann told Yahoo News.

    If so, 18-year-old Luciano fears a setback. She just landed a part-time job as a restaurant cashier and has been trying to save to go to college.

    “It will really put me behind,” she said. “I would have to buy all the formula. One can is almost $16.”

    Douglas Greenaway, head of an advocacy nonprofit called National WIC Association, said many mothers will be caught off guard when funds dry up in their states.

    “Most of these moms have really challenged lives,” Greenaway said. “They are balancing a lot of priorities, and they may not be tuned in to what Congress is or isn’t doing.”

    Greenaway spent Tuesday on conference calls brainstorming strategies to help states stretch what dollars they have left. He estimates WIC programs will survive for one to six weeks.

    “But it could be a matter of days in a handful of states,” he told Yahoo News. Because the situation remains fluid, he declined to name the most at-risk states.

    Late on Tuesday, the Arkansas WIC program, which serves nearly 68,000 participants, announced that emergency funds from a USDA contingency account helped it avoid closure for a week.

    Even a temporary suspension, Greenaway said, would send the wrong message and could lead to higher medical costs.

    “Without WIC nutrition assistance there could be some tremendously unfortunate health outcomes,” he said. “WIC is an absolute critical safety for pregnant moms and their children.”

    Luciano said her experience with WIC staff is one of the reasons she wants to someday become a nurse.

    “This program is a great help to poor people who can’t afford things,” Luciano said. “It’s very educational and helps teenage moms. Not having it is going to hurt a lot of families.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-puts-wic-food-program-for-vulnerable-mothers-at-risk-144731187.html

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    « Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 01:00:46 AM »
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  • Administration officials now live in fear of a 19th-century law that could get them fired, penalized or even imprisoned if they make the wrong choices while the government is shut down.

    The law is the Antideficiency Act, passed by Congress in 1870 (and amended several times), which prohibits the government from incurring any monetary obligation for which the Congress has not appropriated funds.

    In shutting down the government, most memos cite the law as the reason. The Government Accountability Office says employees who violate the Antideficiency Act may be subject to disciplinary action, suspension and even "fines, imprisonment, or both."

    CNBC has learned that in several executive branch departments, high-level staff members review individual decisions about what government activities to allow for fear of running afoul of the Antideficiency Act. One White House official said he has advised his employees not to check their email or cellphones. Under the act, even volunteering for government service is expressly prohibited.

    In a memo to his department employees today, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew cited the law as the reason for reduced staffing.

    "For the duration of this impasse, as required by the Antideficiency Act and directed by OMB, the Department will be required to operate with only the minimal staffing level necessary to execute only certain legally exempted activities," Lew wrote.

    The only exemptions to the shutdown concern "emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property," according to government documents. That has meant airports and the Postal Service are open, Social Security checks get paid and federal prisons and courts will operate as normal as do most national security functions including the military and the Central Intelligence Agency. But national parks and museums are closed along with big parts of the departments of Education and Commerce

    Congress passed the law as part of a struggle-dating back to the nation's founding-for control over the power of the purse. Some presidents, such as Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, would incur obligations for which Congress had to appropriate funds after the fact.

    What is ironic is that Congress in shutting down the government has to at least to some extent given up the power of the purse to the executive branch. Under the broad guidelines of what constitutes an emergency or threat to life or property, OMB now more or less decides what gets funded and what doesn't. But that latitude is limited by the fear of officials that, sometime after the event, a given decision is found to have been in violation of the Antideficiency Act.


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/143-old-law-stirs-fears-193436176.html


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    « Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 01:04:02 AM »
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  • Furloughed government workers are getting some unexpected time off, but the impromptu vacation is likely to be a period of increased anxiety for the roughly 800,000 federal employees who do not know when they will go back to work -- or get a pay check.

    Among the nervous crop of government workers is Matthew Hoffman, a scientist with the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., who said he had to go to his office Tuesday for four hours to "close up the labs" and "shut down experiments" and then he had to "close up the shop and leave."

    Hoffman planned to spend the rest of the day with friends visiting on a two-day trip from Sydney, Australia. Outside of the White House he called the government shutdown "ridiculous."

    "In light of the previous two elections here where Obama's been elected on the premise of changing the health care system then with the Supreme Court decision to support the change in health care and so it's all good things happening, yet there's a vocal group that doesn't want it to happen and this is their way of holding everyone hostage," Hoffman said, adding he believes the "House should send a clean bill to the Senate to fund the government."

    So what does the shutdown mean specifically for the experiments he's been working on?

    Hoffman says it means "delays, it slows everything down, it costs to shut experiments down."

    "It's all just such a waste of time and a lot of waste of money for the American people that fund our research," he said.

    Caitlyn Briere, a program analyst at the Environmental Protection Agency, was spending her first furlough day at the Washington, D.C. synagogue Sixth & I, which opened their doors Tuesday to affected employees calling themselves "Shutdown Central."

    While watching episodes of "The West Wing," furloughed workers chatted, snacked, and even played "political ping pong" with the faces of both John Boehner and President Obama, while following news of the shutdown that affected their lives the most.

    "It's not a secure financial position to be in, not knowing when we're going to get paid again," Briere said. "D.C. is an expensive city to live in, so it does make me a little nervous to be uncertain about that. So, I would like it to be short."

    The EPA furloughed about 96 percent of its workforce and Briere said when she went to work Tuesday morning she went through what are called "shutdown procedures," which includes putting an out-of-office message on her voicemail and e-mail, submitting her time sheets for this week, and essentially walking out the door.

    "I think it's really dangerous and irresponsible for politicians to basically hold the economy hostage over a law and regardless of how controversial it might be, I think they're playing games with the economy, I don't agree with that tactic," Briere said. "So people need to get their act together over on the Hill."

    The American Federation of Government Employees estimates 800,000 to 1 million federal workers are furloughed and it's not clear at this point whether those workers will get paid for this period. After the shutdowns of 1995 and 1996, Congress authorized back pay for federal employees, but it is not clear whether that will happen this time around, leaving these workers nervous.

    Kara Koehrn, also a program analyst at the EPA, says she has some savings, but she had "other goals, other plans for my savings, so it does sort of sting."

    Natalie Rosenfelt, who was also passing time at the Sixth & I synagogue, is a furloughed attorney for the Justice Department, where about 15.5 percent of workers are deemed non-essential.

    She said it is "unfortunate that we had to get to this point," but she's "very hopeful that in the coming days, things, they will be able to come together and realize that having the government shutdown is not a great thing for the country and they will come to a resolution."

    T.J. Pepping, a post-graduate intern at the Environmental Protection Agency said it's "irresponsible" of Congress and "unsettling," because there is "not a guarantee" that he and his colleagues will be "retroactively paid as they were in the past."

    "A lot of my friends who aren't in DC have been asking how the vacation is going to be, but it's not a vacation, even though we have the time off so to speak, it's kind of unsettling, that there is just not a clear end to it, and I feel like a lot of the federal workers are kind of just caught up in this tug-o-war between the Congress," Pepping said.

    Federal employees may be the ones feeling the squeeze of the shutdown the most, but it is also affecting tourists.

    Hoffman's friend Gordon Elliott, who was on that short trip to Washington, said he was disappointed that he missed seeing the National Gallery, but was spending part of his trip looking at DC's architecture instead.

    As for the shutdown, Elliot said he thinks the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, sounds like "a really good proposition and something needs to be done with the healthcare system."

    Eddie Smith, who was visiting with a group of 10th grade students from North Carolina, told ABC News at Union Station they usually rely on the free attractions that Washington has to offer. All of the 19 museums of the Smithsonian Institution are free, as well as the National Zoo, and all of the monuments.

    Smith said that on past trips they have relied heavily on those now-shuttered stops, but "now we're having to find things that are going to cost us a little money that we hadn't budgeted for the trip…and just not seeing the city at its best."

    "We wish politicians could work together versus being so political minded towards their party that they wind up allowing something like this to happen," Smith said.

    http://gma.yahoo.com/furloughed-workers-call-congress-act-together-101535926--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

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    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 03:00:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    And they don't have to have Obama/Clintoncare.  They have the best of everything.  They don't care about anyone but themselves.  They are living a Hollywood lifestyle like novus ordo bishops cardinals and athletes.


    It's as if you're describing communist dictators. I become increasingly worried that Obama wants the whole world to come under communism.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 03:47:41 AM »
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    Luciano didn’t realize the federal assistance program that just purchased the food items for her children, Aimee, 2, and Jaiden, 11 months, is now in jeopardy because of the government shutdown.

    “Oh my god, I think I’m going to cry,” Luciano said upon learning the news. “This is really bad.”

    “It will really put me behind,” she said. “I would have to buy all the formula. One can is almost $16.”



    These media outlets are trying really hard to make the shutdown seem like the worst thing ever, but I think they could have done a little better than this. The kid is 11 months old! Wipe up your tears and give the boy (or is it a girl?) a cup of milk.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 10:39:09 AM »
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  • I agree MD. I feel bad for those who are out of a job for a couple of weeks or whose pay is uncertain, but many people are freaking out over extras. If this lady is talking about the WIC program, they will be switching that child over to milk in a month anyway. Many people who qualify for WIC also qualify for SNAP so no one should really be starving because I'm pretty sure SNAP is still working.

    One of my FB friends was furious that her son was crying over a game that was cancelled. It must be an extra program at their base. She garnered so much sympathy for having had to explain to him about the government and how they are arguing like children etc... On and on she went, dramatizing this, with friends all up in arms on her behalf.

    Normally she's a pretty level-headed person but I'm sure that half the hysteria her poor son went through was learned from her own reaction. Why does an 8 year old need to be subjected to the explanations about it being the government's fault anyways? It's a game! They get cancelled sometimes. Have a pizza night or do something fun to make up for it.

    Some complaints are legitimate, but most of it is just inconvenience. The fury over extras tells you how spoiled we really are.


     

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