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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2017, 12:35:05 AM »
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #16 on: November 14, 2017, 10:44:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 06, 2017, 07:23:24 PM
    He was a traitor.   All anyone could do was look at the parents.
    So many communists and weak minded in the USA military.

    There is no justice for those brave soldiers that were killed looking for the traitor.  
    agree
    as someone of Fox rightly said about making Kaepernick Person of the Year or whatever What about the men who gave their limbs, their lives... for this country.
    They should be Person of the Year every year. Anyone else (mostly anyone else) should be 2nd choice or runner up
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #17 on: November 14, 2017, 11:50:29 AM »
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    • What is so ironic in all this is that he was officially branded a traitor by the U.S. Government which itself is drowning in innocent blood as it has been a traitor to the American Public in sending her sons and daughters off to wreck all kinds of havoc and destruction in illegal, immoral, and unjust bogus wars of aggression in sovereign nations on the other side of the world that pose no real threat to America. 

    People's lives were endangered in looking for the guy you say.  How about entire nations and their citizens who America did a lot more than simply endanger as we invaded and occupied their lands?
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 05:17:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on November 14, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
    What is so ironic in all this is that he was officially branded a traitor by the U.S. Government which itself is drowning in innocent blood as it has been a traitor to the American Public in sending her sons and daughters off to wreck all kinds of havoc and destruction in illegal, immoral, and unjust bogus wars of aggression in sovereign nations on the other side of the world that pose no real threat to America.  

    People's lives were endangered in looking for the guy you say.  How about entire nations and their citizens who America did a lot more than simply endanger as we invaded and occupied their lands?
    I don't think all our wars have been unjust or uncalled for
    it was unjust for the N Vietnamese to invade S Vietnam. I think we have an interest in stopping Communism. Ever noticed how Communist countries kill their people by the millions?
    then there are the people killed in the womb.. .the One-Child policy... FORCED abortions
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2017, 06:22:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on November 15, 2017, 05:17:27 PM
    I don't think all our wars have been unjust or uncalled for
    it was unjust for the N Vietnamese to invade S Vietnam. I think we have an interest in stopping Communism. Ever noticed how Communist countries kill their people by the millions?
    then there are the people killed in the womb.. .the One-Child policy... FORCED abortions
    I encourage you to look into the real history behind the Vietnam War including such things as the Phoenix Program, the U.S. involvement in the assassination of South Vietnam's Catholic President, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident which was a total deception (much like the government's lying version of 9-11 and the government's false weapons of mass destruction claim) to jump start big time the war in Vietnam.  Once we stuck our nose into Vietnam the U.S. could have easily won the war if the lying powers that be really wanted to.  The fact is that they did not want to nor did they want to win the Korean War which the U.S. could have easily done.

    As far as your mention of China's one child policy and its forced abortions I doubt if any right thinking Christian would deny the evil of communism, although in some ways China is obviously a more capitalistic country than a communist one.  Same same for Vietnam.

    P.S. I was a combat Marine in Vietnam.  I love my country, but I absolutely detest the systematic lying which my government has carried out for many years.
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #20 on: November 16, 2017, 02:16:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on November 15, 2017, 06:22:08 PM
    I encourage you to look into the real history behind the Vietnam War including such things as the Phoenix Program, the U.S. involvement in the assassination of South Vietnam's Catholic President, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident which was a total deception (much like the government's lying version of 9-11 and the government's false weapons of mass destruction claim) to jump start big time the war in Vietnam.  Once we stuck our nose into Vietnam the U.S. could have easily won the war if the lying powers that be really wanted to.  The fact is that they did not want to nor did they want to win the Korean War which the U.S. could have easily done.

    As far as your mention of China's one child policy and its forced abortions I doubt if any right thinking Christian would deny the evil of communism, although in some ways China is obviously a more capitalistic country than a communist one.  Same same for Vietnam.

    P.S. I was a combat Marine in Vietnam.  I love my country, but I absolutely detest the systematic lying which my government has carried out for many years.
    uh... we won in Korea
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #21 on: November 16, 2017, 02:44:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
    uh... we won in Korea
    No.  We tied.  As a result, there are two separate countries on the peninsula separated by a highly militarized "Demilitarized Zone".
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #22 on: November 16, 2017, 02:46:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on November 16, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
    No.  We tied.  As a result, there are two separate countries on the peninsula separated by a highly militarized "Demilitarized Zone".
    my father was a Marine. He and others say we won.
    I don't know.. There is a real sense in which no war is ever won... If one could be fought where no one was killed or maimed, then both sides could claim victory?
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #23 on: November 16, 2017, 02:47:23 PM »
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    • there is talk (ho hum...I know) of stopping the Army from giving that traitor BACK PAY!

    I just cannot believe he is possibly getting that.... :facepalm:
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #24 on: November 16, 2017, 02:48:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
    uh... we won in Korea

    Please consider the following:

    The Korean War and the Cold War
    Even so, the North Korean invasion came as an alarming surprise to American officials. As far as they were concerned, this was not simply a border dispute between two unstable dictatorships on the other side of the globe. Instead, many feared it was the first step in a communist campaign to take over the world. For this reason, nonintervention was not considered an option by many top decision makers. (In fact, in April 1950, a National Security Council report known as NSC-68 had recommended that the United States use military force to “contain” communist expansionism anywhere it seemed to be occurring, “regardless of the intrinsic strategic or economic value of the lands in question.”)

    “If we let Korea down,” President Harry Truman (1884-1972) said, “the Soviet will keep right on going and swallow up one [place] after another.” The fight on the Korean peninsula was a symbol of the global struggle between east and west, good and evil. As the North Korean army pushed into Seoul, the South Korean capital, the United States readied its troops for a war against communism itself.

    At first, the war was a defensive one–a war to get the communists out of South Korea–and it went badly for the Allies. The North Korean army was well-disciplined, well-trained and well-equipped; Rhee’s forces, by contrast, were frightened, confused, and seemed inclined to flee the battlefield at any provocation. Also, it was one of the hottest and driest summers on record, and desperately thirsty American soldiers were often forced to drink water from rice paddies that had been fertilized with human waste. As a result, dangerous intestinal diseases and other illnesses were a constant threat.


    By the end of the summer, President Truman and General Douglas MacArthur (1880-1964), the commander in charge of the Asian theater, had decided on a new set of war aims. Now, for the Allies, the Korean War was an offensive one: It was a war to “liberate” the North from the communists.
    Initially, this new strategy was a success. An amphibious assault at Inchon pushed the North Koreans out of Seoul and back to their side of the 38th parallel. But as American troops crossed the boundary and headed north toward the Yalu River, the border between North Korea and Communist China, the Chinese started to worry about protecting themselves from what they called “armed aggression against Chinese territory.” Chinese leader Mao Zedong (1893-1976) sent troops to North Korea and warned the United States to keep away from the Yalu boundary unless it wanted full-scale war

    “No Substitute for Victory”?

    This was something that President Truman and his advisers decidedly did not want: They were sure that such a war would lead to Soviet aggression in Europe, the deployment of atomic weapons and millions of senseless deaths. To General MacArthur, however, anything short of this wider war represented “appeasement,” an unacceptable knuckling under to the communists.

    As President Truman looked for a way to prevent war with the Chinese, MacArthur did all he could to provoke it. Finally, in March 1951, he sent a letter to Joseph Martin, a House Republican leader who shared MacArthur’s support for declaring all-out war on China–and who could be counted upon to leak the letter to the press. “There is,” MacArthur wrote, “no substitute for victory” against international communism.
    For Truman, this letter was the last straw. On April 11, the president fired the general for insubordination.

    The Korean War Reaches a Stalemate
    In July 1951, President Truman and his new military commanders started peace talks at Panmunjom. Still, the fighting continued along the 38th parallel as negotiations stalled. Both sides were willing to accept a ceasefire that maintained the 38th parallel boundary, but they could not agree on whether prisoners of war should be forcibly “repatriated.” (The Chinese and the North Koreans said yes; the United States said no.) Finally, after more than two years of negotiations, the adversaries signed an armistice on July 27, 1953. The agreement allowed the POWs to stay where they liked; drew a new boundary near the 38th parallel that gave South Korea an extra 1,500 square miles of territory; and created a 2-mile-wide “demilitarized zone” that still exists today.
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #25 on: November 16, 2017, 02:53:22 PM »
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    • am I to disregard the crossed out part?
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #26 on: November 16, 2017, 03:11:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:46:31 PM
    my father was a Marine. He and others say we won.
    I don't know.. There is a real sense in which no war is ever won... If one could be fought where no one was killed or maimed, then both sides could claim victory?
    United States Military Forces won most of the individual battles (at least, until Red China intervened), but one side can win every single battle but if that side capitulates that side does not win the war.  Your father's unit probably won most of the engagements with the enemy.  But, in the end, the United States did not win the war.  In fact, there has never been any peace treaty signed by any of the combatant countries in Korea.  The "peace" in Korea is merely a cease fire that has prevented full scale action.  

    Even with this cease fire in place, there are skirmishes between North and South Korean forces almost every year.  During the year I spent in Korea, the South Korean Navy sunk a North Korean Naval ship over a dispute concerning fishing rights.  We were under an alert for about a week and a half before both sides decided that there would be no more shooting.

    Quote from: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:47:23 PM
    there is talk (ho hum...I know) of stopping the Army from giving that traitor BACK PAY!

    I just cannot believe he is possibly getting that.... :facepalm:
    He is entitled to back pay if he didn't desert.  I haven't figured out how he can be paid back pay when he pleaded guilty to desertion.  It does not make any sense.
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #27 on: November 16, 2017, 05:36:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:53:22 PM
    am I to disregard the crossed out part?

    Thanks for asking.  No, DO NOT disregard.  It was not supposed to have been crossed out at all.  Some sort of a glitch.

    Also, please note that I never said we lost the Korean War, although in a certain sense we did in so much as we failed to liberate the North which was our later war objective.  I only implied and most clearly at that, that we did not win the war.

    P.S. Please extend a "Semper Fi" to your dad.  Korea was a very tough and bitter campaign to say the least.  if he is knowledgeable about all the social programming that has been forced into the Corps (and the rest of the military) since he served, I can only imagine he is quite rightfully repulsed by it.
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    Re: unbelievable sentence 4 Bergdahl.. PTSD??
    « Reply #28 on: November 20, 2017, 04:01:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on November 16, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
    Thanks for asking.  No, DO NOT disregard.  It was not supposed to have been crossed out at all.  Some sort of a glitch.

    Also, please note that I never said we lost the Korean War, although in a certain sense we did in so much as we failed to liberate the North which was our later war objective.  I only implied and most clearly at that, that we did not win the war.

    P.S. Please extend a "Semper Fi" to your dad.  Korea was a very tough and bitter campaign to say the least.  if he is knowledgeable about all the social programming that has been forced into the Corps (and the rest of the military) since he served, I can only imagine he is quite rightfully repulsed by it.
    To that last thing
    LOL
    :D
    My dad is likely apoplectic about that, the changes in the military. I don't know b/c there is a weird thing going on in my "family" right now where everyone is divided and acting like morons so... My dad is deaf, so it is hard to communicate by phone, and then there are other issues...
    anyway, I will try to read all that, the crossed out stuff also
    Semper Fi
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