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Title: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Joseantoniano on July 10, 2019, 06:28:15 PM
Two questions on Hitler:

Firstly, what are your thoughts on Hitler?

Secondly, how should we as Catholics view Hitler?

Thirdly (and this is only an extension of the first so I don't consider it really a third question)- was Hitler fighting against the (((NWO))) or was he controlled opposition?

I ask these two questions (I consider them as two) so people can say what they think and maybe we can "compare notes" so to speak and try to get to the bottom of things.

I go back and forth on the "third" question- I think he's sincere when I watch him speak but when I take a step back... I can see that he may have been just an extremely talented actor and that he may have been controlled opposition as Henry Makow describes. Also, there is a section in the Protocols which described that they will be in control of opposition.

I think the issue is that people are overly attached to a conclusion on whether or not he was controlled opposition. I'm honestly not sure and I mean.... if you come here with some mind-blowing evidence, I'm open to considering different views. I wouldn't really be surprised either way.

But for the big Hitler fans- my issue is I've seen them deny that he was controlled opposition but.... wasn't it the case that very powerful financial interests like IBM backed him? I believe Anthony Sutton did a book showing something like that. And he also talked about Wall Street and the Bolsheviks so I don't think he's super biased.

My issue is I have never seen the Hitler apologists explain that

https://www.amazon.com/Wall-Street-Hitler-Antony-Sutton/dp/0945001533 (https://www.amazon.com/Wall-Street-Hitler-Antony-Sutton/dp/0945001533)

Anyways, I have more to say but I have to go for now.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 10, 2019, 06:32:28 PM
Most of your questions are answered here: https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ (https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/)
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 10, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
Just scroll down about 1/4 the way to watch each segment for free.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Joseantoniano on July 10, 2019, 06:59:23 PM
Most of your questions are answered here: https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/ (https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/)
I asked "what are your thoughts?". I don't think you really answered. I might watch the documentary later, though. However, I think it looks like it takes a line which is akin to Hitler-worship. I doubt I'll agree but I might watch it.
I get that you want to promote the documentary but I think you should answer the questions in your own words. This is meant for discussion.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 10, 2019, 07:08:14 PM
You shouldn't be concerned about what other people think. Do the research yourself and think for yourself.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Vintagewife3 on July 10, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
You have to research this yourself.


Victors write history, and no one bothers to ask if they tell the truth.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Seraphina on July 10, 2019, 07:28:07 PM
 MY thoughts on Hitler?  I don't like him.
As a Catholic?  Still don't like him.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 10, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
MY thoughts on Hitler?  I don't like him.
As a Catholic?  Still don't like him.
There were no good sides in World War II. A Europe where the National Socialists win would have finished off the Church over there, just as the US did with Japan and the Urakami Cathedral.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Joseantoniano on July 10, 2019, 08:07:31 PM
You shouldn't be concerned about what other people think. Do the research yourself and think for yourself.
Maybe you've never read a Platonic dialogue. I am interested in what other people have to say and I think hearing different sides has its own intrinsic value. That I'm interested in hearing multiple sides of an issue is a good thing not a bad thing.
If you're not interested in discussion that's fine but- this is a forum. The medium itself is meant for discussion.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Joseantoniano on July 10, 2019, 08:14:38 PM
You have to research this yourself.


Victors write history, and no one bothers to ask if they tell the truth.
This is a discussion forum. I don't think I'm wrong to promote discussion on a discussion forum.
Also, discussing a topic with other people doesn't mean I don't have my own views and don't do my own research.
People are acting like it's a crime to promote discussion. If we follow that logic to its end, this forum should simply die off.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Joseantoniano on July 10, 2019, 08:21:38 PM
There were no good sides in World War II. A Europe where the National Socialists win would have finished off the Church over there, just as the US did with Japan and the Urakami Cathedral.
I agree with this view.
I'm not exactly for either side. I think Spain was absolutely right to be neutral.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Your Friend Colin on July 10, 2019, 08:24:40 PM
You shouldn't be concerned about what other people think. Do the research yourself and think for yourself.
“Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.“

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html (http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html)

Compare the spirit of the “Enlightenment” with the Catholic spirit:
“Have confidence in the Lord with all thy heart, and lean not upon thy own prudence. In all thy ways think on him, and he will direct thy steps. Be not wise in thy own conceit: fear God, and depart from evil:...” (Proverbs 3:5-7, DR)

Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 08:43:16 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 10, 2019, 09:01:03 PM
“Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.“

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html (http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html)

Compare the spirit of the “Enlightenment” with the Catholic spirit:
“Have confidence in the Lord with all thy heart, and lean not upon thy own prudence. In all thy ways think on him, and he will direct thy steps. Be not wise in thy own conceit: fear God, and depart from evil:...” (Proverbs 3:5-7, DR)
He won't listen to you. Both Bas Congo V and terminal ballistics are more than likely the same banned user on his umpteenth account. And he knows exactly who he is.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Your Friend Colin on July 10, 2019, 09:03:54 PM
What filthy “comedy” you posted, terminal ballistics.

Are you Catholic?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 09:10:02 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 10, 2019, 09:14:59 PM
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You would do yourself good by actually converting to Catholicism. Find a good traditional priest and embrace the Faith
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 09:16:55 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 09:51:49 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 10, 2019, 09:52:58 PM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 11, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 11, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
Subhuman? You're kidding me. So is only the white man made in the image of God?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 11, 2019, 08:34:27 AM
hyperbole to get a point across
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Vintagewife3 on July 11, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
This is a discussion forum. I don't think I'm wrong to promote discussion on a discussion forum.
Also, discussing a topic with other people doesn't mean I don't have my own views and don't do my own research.
People are acting like it's a crime to promote discussion. If we follow that logic to its end, this forum should simply die off.
What I mean is that your going to get a lot of emotional answers on this in a discussion forum. You should check out the documentary Europe the last battle. It’s a 12 part documentary you can find on YouTube but quite frequently deleted because of the message. It’s a good base point for the research I did
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 11, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
JezusDeKoning (http://budapest.proxylistpro.com/page.php?u=EBXxbUM441mUjkxfag71FL2tEa24xlZDjeCmDaWXIMQcMd5wET1wE6WpGA%3D%3D), why is your pigeon avatar rainbow-colored? Is that supposed to be a subtle endorsement of sodomy?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 11, 2019, 09:27:20 AM
I told you on account #3 to stop targeting people personally, and their viewpoints instead. I'm out.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Vintagewife3 on July 11, 2019, 09:29:33 AM
What I mean is that your going to get a lot of emotional answers on this in a discussion forum. You should check out the documentary Europe the last battle. It’s a 12 part documentary you can find on YouTube but quite frequently deleted because of the message. It’s a good base point for the research I did
My husband reminded me to say Bitchute has them too.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 11, 2019, 09:32:48 AM
Quote
 quote from JezusDeKoning

 I'm out.


Out of the closet?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Spork on July 11, 2019, 11:23:57 AM
JezusDeKoning (http://budapest.proxylistpro.com/page.php?u=EBXxbUM441mUjkxfag71FL2tEa24xlZDjeCmDaWXIMQcMd5wET1wE6WpGA%3D%3D), why is your pigeon avatar rainbow-colored? Is that supposed to be a subtle endorsement of sodomy?
Funny you should bring that up since Hitler, like many Nazis, may have been a homosexual. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 11, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
That must be why Adolphus and the German National Socialists arrested closeted queerdos sneaking into their own political party. 

You got anymore tall tales?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: songbird on July 11, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
The ISOC In Spirit of Chartres Committee may have directions for you to go.

As for myself:  First and foremost, study and understand where the Catholic Church was from the very beginning, invoking the Jews.  So destructive that the Church had Inquisitions for 6 centuries.  Laws in place for anyone who supported or protected Jews.  "The Plot Against the Church" is very thorough how the Church defended herself.

As for Hitler, he was confronted by the German people.  They wanted their jobs.  Hitler told the people not to support the Jews operations, businesses.

Did Hitler have them murdered?  He did have the Jews in labor camps.  But the Jews uses these times to spread lies.  I do not believe there were millions killed.  I do not and never will use the word holocaust, only Christ was a True Holy Sacrifice.

I believe Hitler went wrong some where in his thinking.   But be sure you read and understand how destructive Jews were and still are today.  They are in Freemasonry, secret societies, and their goal is complete take over of the world.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: terminal ballistics on July 12, 2019, 01:40:38 PM

Anti-racist Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgqLk72IF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgqLk72IF4)
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Meg on July 12, 2019, 05:31:25 PM
What filthy “comedy” you posted, terminal ballistics.

Are you Catholic?

A good question.

There are White supremacist Protestant factions who believe that Jews are not quite human. Some of them believe that Jews are the offspring of Cain, and that Cain's father was really Satan, and so the Jews descend from Satan. Such strange notions are not Catholic.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: poche on July 14, 2019, 04:25:34 AM
Pope Pius XI wrote about what he thought of Hitler and his regime. I recommend taking the time to read Mit Brennender Sorge.

  http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Brunitix on July 14, 2019, 08:57:02 AM
I saw both the documentaries and honestly for quite a long time I thought Hitler was a catholic and christian. But after some time you start to see that it goes a bit off the rail on nazi apologism. My sealing point and where I actually knew I could trust what is said about him and National Socialism is on the encyclical of Pius XI about nazism. So on the bottom line I think he was an enemy of the new world order, a man sent by God to spread war across Europe to punish the apostate society and a revolutionary thinker of an dangerous ideology taken to the extreme. I would still fight with no doubt alongside the Axis side on WWII if I lived back then and I think it is a somewhat better ideology than materialistic atheism weather communism or capitalism. Of course this contemporary period of history is full of lies and propaganda and we will never know where the truth is, only God knows. He got many things rigth but ultimately the wrong solution, the rigth thing was to do like Franco and Salazar and comeback to the True Faith. The jews are a cursed people since they rejected their Messiah, Our Lord, but they are used as a scourge, even when Cain killed Abel God marked him and said who avenges him would be punished seven times over. 

  "But the Lord said to him, 'Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.' Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him." (Genesis 4:15, NIV)
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 14, 2019, 09:55:06 AM
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The jews are a cursed people since they rejected their Messiah, Our Lord, but they are used as a scourge, even when Cain killed Abel God marked him and said who avenges him would be punished seven times over. 

"But the Lord said to him, 'Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.' Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him." (Genesis 4:15, NIV)

Are you saying Jews are descendants of Cain?

If not, are you arguing that Jews should be left alone to kill souls and the world based on God telling people to leave Cain alone? He told people to leave Cain alone, so how does that logically translate to Jews, too?

Jesus said in Luke 19:27 "But as for those My enemies, who would not have Me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before Me."

Are Jews enemies of God? If Jews aren't His enemies, then how can anyone else be?


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Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 14, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
"We will defend Christianity. And not just on paper, no. We want to burn out atheism. We want to burn out these phenomena of our culture,our theatre, and literature, this entire poison that flowed into our life in the last 14 years." — Adolf Hitler speech in Stuttgart on the 15th of February, 1933
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Brunitix on July 14, 2019, 03:51:56 PM
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Are you saying Jews are descendants of Cain? 

If not, are you arguing that Jews should be left alone to kill souls and the world based on God telling people to leave Cain alone? He told people to leave Cain alone, so how does that logically translate to Jews, too? 

Jesus said in Luke 19:27 "But as for those My enemies, who would not have Me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before Me." 

Are Jews enemies of God? If Jews aren't His enemies, then how can anyone else be?
My quote on Cain is to say that in the same way we know God lets evil exist in order to bring good out of it, he lets the jews and gives them power as a chastisement for our apostasy in order for people to comeback to him. We should not start by persecuting the jews and blame them of everything even if they are behind the moves to destroy christianity we should instead focus first on coming back to God and to true Catholicism and then jews will have no power against us. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Cera on July 14, 2019, 06:37:02 PM
That must be why Adolphus and the German National Socialists arrested closeted queerdos sneaking into their own political party.

You got anymore tall tales?
The Nazis included homosexuals (the Brown Shirts) and also anti-homosexuals. This is explained in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Cera on July 14, 2019, 06:38:40 PM
"We will defend Christianity. And not just on paper, no. We want to burn out atheism. We want to burn out these phenomena of our culture,our theatre, and literature, this entire poison that flowed into our life in the last 14 years." — Adolf Hitler speech in Stuttgart on the 15th of February, 1933
Liars lie.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 14, 2019, 07:30:23 PM
Jesus Christ now and forever...

St Michael the Archangel Prayer In Latin
Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium. Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen.

Saint Michael the Archangel Prayer in English
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Spork on July 14, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
"We will defend Christianity. And not just on paper, no. We want to burn out atheism. We want to burn out these phenomena of our culture,our theatre, and literature, this entire poison that flowed into our life in the last 14 years." — Adolf Hitler speech in Stuttgart on the 15th of February, 1933
Politicians make campaign speeches. Meaning, they say what they need to say to get elected. Ever hear of Dauchau? This is the place where dozens, if not hundreds, of Catholic priests were sent and treated worse than the jews. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 14, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
My quote on Cain is to say that in the same way we know God lets evil exist in order to bring good out of it, he lets the jews and gives them power as a chastisement for our apostasy in order for people to comeback to him. We should not start by persecuting the jews and blame them of everything even if they are behind the moves to destroy christianity we should instead focus first on coming back to God and to true Catholicism and then jews will have no power against us.
Thank you for this post. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 14, 2019, 08:33:01 PM
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"We will defend Christianity. And not just on paper, no. We want to burn out atheism. We want to burn out these phenomena of our culture,our theatre, and literature, this entire poison that flowed into our life in the last 14 years." — Adolf Hitler speech in Stuttgart on the 15th of February, 1933

Liars lie.

That was not a lie. Hitler did burn out the said pornographic poisons, the "Hollywood of Berlin", all the perversions which had been spread in the Weimarer Republik, and which moved to the U.S. where they flourish ever since. Perpetrated by yew know which atheists.

Even Hitler was right where he was right.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 14, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
Liars lie.
Politicians are experts at saying and DOING what appears to be right. In this case, it was Hitler speaking to at the time, a very Protestant North and a very Catholic south.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: poche on July 14, 2019, 10:50:11 PM
"We will defend Christianity. And not just on paper, no. We want to burn out atheism. We want to burn out these phenomena of our culture,our theatre, and literature, this entire poison that flowed into our life in the last 14 years." — Adolf Hitler speech in Stuttgart on the 15th of February, 1933
Hitler may have said that and other things like that in any number of speeches. However in reality he persecuted the Church in such a way that even today the largest cemetery of Catholic priests is at Dachau.  
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 14, 2019, 11:45:11 PM
Hitler may have said that and other things like that in any number of speeches. However in reality he persecuted the Church in such a way that even today the largest cemetery of Catholic priests is at Dachau.  
I will give you an upvote for not quoting Mit Brennender Sorge.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Bas Congo V on July 15, 2019, 11:15:59 AM
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Anti-racist Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgqLk72IF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgqLk72IF4) 

This is so funny, yet very true. LOL. Well done !!
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: poche on July 22, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
I will give you an upvote for not quoting Mit Brennender Sorge.
I already posted a link. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Incredulous on July 22, 2019, 10:26:36 AM
This is so funny, yet very true. LOL. Well done !!

This video should be shown in every High School across the nation. :applause:
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Incredulous on July 22, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Hitler may have said that and other things like that in any number of speeches. However in reality he persecuted the Church in such a way that even today the largest cemetery of Catholic priests is at Dachau.  

I will agree Hilter was bad news, contrary to the recent movement trying to make him a hero.

His role in history may be best understood, in the discussion between a Leninist jew and Stalinist jew in interview transcript of
Red Symphony (http://www.illuminati-news.com/052106a.htm)  

Hitler was initially funded by the Rosthschilds. It explains how the Nazis had money when Germany was flat broke in the early 1930s.
But the Rothschildsd they lost control of him.  They referred to him as a "Bonapartist", since they had lost control of him too.
Hitler printed money, which was extremely threatening to their game, so he was set-up for destruction.

TIA once published an article showing Hitler had a jewish mentor who got him involved in the occult. Hitler's strange personality (https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/G_006_NaziGnostic05.html)
(https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/HistImages/G_006_Rosemberg.jpg)
Rosenberg, left, present at Hitler's side from the beginning

Another interesting data point, was the exorcism of Anneliese Michelle.

In one transcript of the exorcism, the demon admitted Hitler was in Hell, but could not speak.  

He just constantly howled like an insane (rabbied) wolf.

Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 22, 2019, 06:54:26 PM
I don't know why any Catholic would ask the original question. He was a mass murderer, he used human beings as medical experiments, he started a brutal war of expansion that killed 3% of the world population (a massive amount) and also killed (for example) 2 million Poles who were Catholic. According to Just War Theory you could never say his war was justified. His ideology was based on wacky occultism and "the Aryan race". Sure if he said "the sky is blue" that doesn't mean we shouldn't say the sky is blue but I would not touch his thinking or ideology with a 10 foot pole. Plus I've noticed that a lot of people on here are trying to bend the story to make him out to be an ok guy, he never was. I also think its a bad look to associate oneself with anything having to do with Nazism. Sure, you could try to debunk this with countless conspiracy theories but I really don't think you can convince me that the story of WWII is entirely made up when there are so many common people who were there. I have relatives who killed Nazis, and I would do the same if that ever came back. 


Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: JezusDeKoning on July 22, 2019, 07:12:50 PM
I don't know why any Catholic would ask the original question. He was a mass murderer, he used human beings as medical experiments, he started a brutal war of expansion that killed 3% of the world population (a massive amount) and also killed (for example) 2 million Poles who were Catholic. According to Just War Theory you could never say his war was justified. His ideology was based on wacky occultism and "the Aryan race". Sure if he said "the sky is blue" that doesn't mean we shouldn't say the sky is blue but I would not touch his thinking or ideology with a 10 foot pole. Plus I've noticed that a lot of people on here are trying to bend the story to make him out to be an ok guy, he never was. I also think its a bad look to associate oneself with anything having to do with Nazism. Sure, you could try to debunk this with countless conspiracy theories but I really don't think you can convince me that the story of WWII is entirely made up when there are so many common people who were there. I have relatives who killed Nazis, and I would do the same if that ever came back.
A Germany where Hitler wins the War would be an atrocious place to be. They would probably overthrow Hitler, have someone much worse, and be the bankrupt, impoverished dictatorship that East Germany was.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 22, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
A Germany where Hitler wins the War would be an atrocious place to be. They would probably overthrow Hitler, have someone much worse, and be the bankrupt, impoverished dictatorship that East Germany was.
Exactly, I really am shocked that I see fellow Catholics who try really hard to make Hitler out to be a good guy.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Vintagewife3 on July 23, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
I don’t believe Hitler was a good guy, but I don’t believe they told the truth about him either. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Kazimierz on July 23, 2019, 12:30:19 PM
For those who seriously want to learn about Adolf Hitler, read the following books by David Irving:

The Path to War 1933-1939 (read this one first)
Hitler's War

Hands down the best authority on the subject.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: LeDeg on July 23, 2019, 12:54:23 PM
For those who seriously want to learn about Adolf Hitler, read the following books by David Irving:

The Path to War 1933-1939 (read this one first)
Hitler's War

Hands down the best authority on the subject.
Agreed. There is so much ignorance on this thread. But, that is to be expected.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Incredulous on July 23, 2019, 05:32:14 PM
For those who seriously want to learn about Adolf Hitler, read the following books by David Irving:

The Path to War 1933-1939 (read this one first)
Hitler's War

Hands down the best authority on the subject.

Didn't Irving blame everything on Himmler?

Was Himmler Catholic?

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No matter what, I suspect he was a fascinating character to study?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 23, 2019, 06:36:19 PM
Agreed. There is so much ignorance on this thread. But, that is to be expected.
Interesting. I should pick it up. I am curious though, what is the basic thesis of the book? As I don't have it and I find it irritating when people drop the "idiots! you should read this book about it" comment and then leave, adding nothing to the conversation. If you are so knowledgeable on the subject care to break it down for us? 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Kazimierz on July 23, 2019, 06:57:36 PM
Didn't Irving blame everything on Himmler?

Was Himmler Catholic?

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No matter what, I suspect he was a fascinating character to study?
Irving's biography on Himmler will be out this year. Both Himmler and Goebbels were far more filled with the hatred of Jews than their Fuhrer.
I have read the biographies of Goering and Goebbels by Irving as well. Fascinating but revolting characters.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: St Ignatius on July 23, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
Interesting. I should pick it up. I am curious though, what is the basic thesis of the book? As I don't have it and I find it irritating when people drop the "idiots! you should read this book about it" comment and then leave, adding nothing to the conversation. If you are so knowledgeable on the subject care to break it down for us?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/417E1WJXYXL._AC_SY400_.jpg)
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fpp.co.uk%2Fbooks%2FHitler%2F2001%2FHW_Web_dl.pdf
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 23, 2019, 09:36:38 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/417E1WJXYXL._AC_SY400_.jpg)
http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fpp.co.uk%2Fbooks%2FHitler%2F2001%2FHW_Web_dl.pdf
Holy cow, I appreciate the link.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: CatholicInAmerica on July 24, 2019, 12:06:30 AM
Regardless of what people think of the holocaust, those who deny it or whatnot, Hitler was a terrible person, a murderer, a heretic, and overall very bad. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 24, 2019, 05:54:26 AM
Regardless of what people think of the holocaust, those who deny it or whatnot, Hitler was a terrible person, a murderer, a heretic, and overall very bad.

Yes, true, but compared to Merkel or other today's leaders he was a choirboy.

Merkel commits genocide against her own people. Other European leaders do the same.
Eugenics: Today we murder many more, before they're even born.
Hitler's mixed Catholic/protestant schools were not worse than today's "catholic" schools.
Antifa tries to copy SA
Dissenters in today's Germany are persecuted on the streets and by the state.
etc. pp.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 24, 2019, 12:59:54 PM
Yes, true, but compared to Merkel or other today's leaders he was a choirboy.

Merkel commits genocide against her own people. Other European leaders do the same.
Eugenics: Today we murder many more, before they're even born.
I agree with your point on abortion. But genocide? I'm not sure what you mean by that, unless it's genocide by abortion which I believe is the case I don't see a genocide of people outside the womb. I mean there's no difference really. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 24, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
I agree with your point on abortion. But genocide?

Genocide by flooding Germany with aliens to destroy the German people.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 24, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
Genocide by flooding Germany with aliens to destroy the German people.
I don't think Genocide use is the right word to use for that then. That evokes the image of mass killings and concentration camps. I don't see that happening in Europe. The immigration Into Europe is a huge issue but those immigrants are a minority. All things considered, what exactly would be the issue if one race was slowly replaced by another? What really matters is their faith. If they are Islamic or something else I see a problem, but if they were brought to the faith then there is no issue as to their skin color. Would you agree?
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 24, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
I don't think Genocide use is the right word to use for that then. That evokes the image of mass killings and concentration camps. I don't see that happening in Europe.

Look:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Genocide is intentional action to destroy a group of people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.



The immigration Into Europe is a huge issue but those immigrants are a minority.

Many major cities in Europe have more than 50% aliens today, and in schools numbers go well higher.


All things considered, what exactly would be the issue if one race was slowly replaced by another?

It's genocide. Intentional destruction of peoples. Peoples are families on a bigger scale. Destroying a people is like destroying a family.


What really matters is their faith. If they are Islamic or something else I see a problem, but if they were brought to the faith then there is no issue as to their skin color. Would you agree?

No. I don't agree. Destroying peoples is a major crime just like destroying families.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 24, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Struthio, you obviously saw the many different definitions of genocide on that very wikipedia page you quoted. Granted, most of those definitions are roughly the same but you picked one that fit your argument. If a group or individual was committing genocide according to your definition I would agree that would be a sinful and evil act. I just don't think it's done intentionally. Why would Germany or Europe in general want to destroy their own race? I understand concepts such a racial guilt and so on but the numbers don't add up. Sure in cities the immigrant population is large but the numbers for the whole country are much lower. You also have to look at where these people are coming from instead of looking at a statistic blindly. Alot of immigrants come from eastern Europe to more Western European countries.

Are white people (because that's basically who you're talking about) dying out? Maybe, birth rates are low but that's their own doing. Are there a large number of Muslims coming into Europe? Yes, but that is because of the war and instability in that region. Plus, Islam has always been trying to expand into Europe, since it's beginning. They are doing that on their own.
The media sensationalized the immigration crisis. I think that alot of the ideas most people have is based on what the media tells them. Also the fallacy that is the belief that the world is getting more violent and dangerous is wrong. More brutal and violent things have gone on in the past, we just think things are going insane because we know of every event that happens because of the media. Compare that to only 20-30 years ago and alot of wild stuff was happening but no one knew about it due to lack of connectivity.
Also reading negative intent into things is never a really smart or logical thing to do. I think things in the western world are unraveling on their own. I don't know why everyone has to be a conspiracy theorist and assume that there are a bunch of Jews (or whatever non white demographic you all like blaming things on) at the top running the show.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: CatholicInAmerica on July 24, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
Yes, true, but compared to Merkel or other today's leaders he was a choirboy.

Merkel commits genocide against her own people. Other European leaders do the same.
Eugenics: Today we murder many more, before they're even born.
Hitler's mixed Catholic/protestant schools were not worse than today's "catholic" schools.
Antifa tries to copy SA
Dissenters in today's Germany are persecuted on the streets and by the state.
etc. pp.
Please tell me this is satire. I don’t think merkel is openly calling and trying to execute “lower races”. She isn’t waging war on other countries killing civilians etc. she isn’t calling for the murder of millions in camps. 
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 24, 2019, 07:38:24 PM
Struthio, you obviously saw the many different definitions of genocide on that very wikipedia page you quoted.
Granted, most of those definitions are roughly the same but you picked one that fit your argument.

Merkel and other leaders are destroying their own peoples. Call it what you want to. Hitler was choirboy in comparison.



I just don't think it's done intentionally.

But it is. Planned by the U.N.. The globalists need a population which is more easy to govern. If you want to find out about it, inform yourself about "Replacement Migration", "Global Compact for Migration", etc. But make sure to look behind the euphemisms, and either read and study the hundreds of U.N. documents yourself or try to find some English speaking critic who explains it transparently.


Are white people (because that's basically who you're talking about) dying out?

I am not talking about "white skinned naked apes" but about the German people, the French people, etc. Read it like was speaking of Matthew's family, Laramies family, ...


Are there a large number of Muslims coming into Europe? Yes, but that is because of the war and instability in that region. Plus, Islam has always been trying to expand into Europe, since it's beginning. They are doing that on their own.

You're naive and fall for mainstream indoctrination. They systematically use social media to make millions of poor countries' middle-class people invest quite some money to leave their homes and move to Europe.


The media sensationalized the immigration crisis. I think that alot of the ideas most people have is based on what the media tells them. Also the fallacy that is the belief that the world is getting more violent and dangerous is wrong. More brutal and violent things have gone on in the past, we just think things are going insane because we know of every event that happens because of the media. Compare that to only 20-30 years ago and alot of wild stuff was happening but no one knew about it due to lack of connectivity.
Also reading negative intent into things is never a really smart or logical thing to do. I think things in the western world are unraveling on their own. I don't know why everyone has to be a conspiracy theorist and assume that there are a bunch of Jews (or whatever non white demographic you all like blaming things on) at the top running the show.

You seem to suffer from a lack of connectivity still today. Inform yourself. The "immigration crisis" is part of a long term plan to create melting-pots, to destroy families, homogeneous neighborhoods, peoples etc. pp.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: 5MicrosoftOfficer7 on July 24, 2019, 08:12:57 PM
The paper on Replacement Migration was done after the UN realized that the current decline in fertility rates will cause many problems in Europe. They proposed how many people would have to migrate to those countries to replace the current population and prevent the country's collapse. The paper even seemed to suggest that the decline was terminal and that the countries with the lowest replacement rates are already doomed. What I'm saying is, those migrants have nothing to do with the decline in population of white Europeans. They are doing that themselves, their own decadence and selfishness has led to them using contraception and abortion. They are committing suicide. They are doing it on their own and they are doing a good job of it. That's the story of history, people replacing other people.

Is believing in violent Islamic expansionism really me being indoctrinated by the mainstream? Everyone wants you to think they are good-hearted people, they are not.  

Your points are not points, they are just counter points. You're not arguing with me you are just saying that I am wrong without giving me reason why I am wrong. You are just telling me that you disagree and what your own belief on the subject is. 

Also, why would anyone really want to work that hard to kill off Europeans as a whole? Especially if they are European themselves.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: Struthio on July 24, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
@Officer

Well, why do they prefer Replacement Migration and having countries spend hundreds of billions? Why don't they rather give just a few billions to families with children, to solve possible problems the natural way?

And please: There are more papers, well older ones. Also, I asked you to watch out for euphemisms.

They create civil wars shifting millions of folks from one continent to the other.
Title: Re: Two Questions on Hitler
Post by: LeDeg on August 15, 2019, 12:41:58 AM
Interesting. I should pick it up. I am curious though, what is the basic thesis of the book? As I don't have it and I find it irritating when people drop the "idiots! you should read this book about it" comment and then leave, adding nothing to the conversation. If you are so knowledgeable on the subject care to break it down for us?
Sorry for the late response. 
I have posted a great deal on this topic in the past. Just do a search on my past posts.