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Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2024, 09:47:10 AM »
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  • ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues. That he may not have succeeded on those issues is one thing, but falling for these attacks on him does us no good. That’s why the whole “I feel betrayed by Trump” over this comes off as fake and gαy.

    Unqualified agreement with the last sentence.

    Qualified agreement with the first and second sentences, but only to point out errors in perception of what happened and is happening.

    The Don has always had a preternatural ability to sniff out paths to personal advantage. He didn't run as a culture warrior, but he did sense that he could manipulate and ride on an obvious and growing wave of anger and disgust.

    Falling for attacks on him is indeed a distraction and a waste of energy, and that's exactly what the uniparty wants us to do.

    Yet he willingly feeds it so that his blinded supporters identify with his victimhood and can't focus their attention on anything else, especially not the real truth as to the source of the rot so obvious everywhere. Trump Bible? Trump as reality-show Court TV underdog? Trump as ersatz savior? (Just look at some of the blasphemous memes the froggers unironically love to post nonstop.) The left is laughing at it. 

    If Trump does win again, it'll be because the worldings (answering to the prince of this world) know it's a necessary step in their trajectory. Whether or not Trump realizes he's their gamepiece is his problem, not mine.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #16 on: April 10, 2024, 10:09:31 AM »
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  • while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race. 
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    The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run

    1: With that high a post count, it's not like you're new around here....

    2: Please 'splain that mighty plan (or provide URL'd redirection), since we're so addled. Which dissident/alt-right might that be? If it's a pagan sandbox that doesn't recognize Christ the King, if it's a 5 Solas echo chamber, hey, you can keep it.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #17 on: April 10, 2024, 01:54:41 PM »
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  • Trump, Kari Lake, et al. are all RINOs/demagogues, not principled.

    One RINO representative in Arizona said it's legislating from the bench! (The purpose of the legislature is to interpret law and its applicability! It didn't create a new law!)
    Another RINO said he's not a woman and can't judge.
    U.S. Senate candidate Kari Lake said:
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    As your Senator, I will OPPOSE:
    – Federal funding for abortion
    – Federal ban(s) on abortion
    As your Senator, I will FIGHT FOR: 
    – Baby Bonuses
    – Making adoption more accessible and affordable
    – Strengthening the economy so that Mothers can AFFORD a baby
    – Protecting IVF
    – Extending the child tax credit
    – Paid family leave
    – Investing in childcare
    What a disgrace!
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #18 on: April 10, 2024, 05:17:48 PM »
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  • Update today

    "Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November. 
    The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him: 
    'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?' 
    'No,' Trump said in response. 
    Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "

    Clear enough yet?


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    Trump says he will not sign a national abortion ban if reelected
    By Daniel Payne
    CNA Staff, Apr 10, 2024 / 14:20 pm

    Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November. 

    The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him: “Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?” 

    “No,” Trump said in response. 

    Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.”

    Trump had minutes earlier indicated that he disagreed with this week’s historic ruling at the Arizona Supreme Court. That court on Monday ruled that state law does not guarantee a right to an abortion and that an 1864 law prohibiting all abortions can take effect later this month.

    Asked in Atlanta on Wednesday if that ruling “went too far,” Trump responded: “Yeah they did, and that will be straightened out.”
    “I’m sure that the governor and everybody else are going to bring it back into reason and that’ll be taken care of, I think very quickly,” the former president said. 

    Trump has been steadily positioning himself as more of a centrist on abortion in recent months. 

    On Monday he said in a social media video that “at the end of the day” abortion law in the U.S. is “all about the will of the people” and that “now it’s up to the states to do the right thing.” 

    Last September, meanwhile, he called Florida’s six-week abortion ban “a terrible thing” and “a terrible mistake.”

    President Joe Biden, on the other hand, last month promised to support a law that would legalize abortion nationwide in response to the repeal of Roe v. Wade two years ago.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #19 on: April 10, 2024, 08:34:44 PM »
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  • Update today:

    "Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
    The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
    'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
    'No,' Trump said in response.
    Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "

    Clear enough yet?

    Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them.  There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit.  All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands.  And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills.  Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie.  Happy as little larks.  What a spell he held over them!

    Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him.  And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?".   IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".


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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #20 on: April 19, 2024, 09:38:12 PM »
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  • He's for states' rights, isn't he?
    As long as he doesn't force states to kill babies, isn't that good?
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #21 on: April 19, 2024, 09:46:50 PM »
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  • Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them.  There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit.  All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands.  And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills.  Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie.  Happy as little larks.  What a spell he held over them!

    Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him.  And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?".  IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".

    I don't think that this kind of thing comes from his own mind. There's somebody from that special race that gives him this kind of direction.

    Even if the thinks that he had this ingenious idea, there's probably somebody making him "wise suggestions".

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #22 on: April 20, 2024, 02:32:08 PM »
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  • Trump's abortion view is in line with how the average American sees it. Nothing new. They are pro-choice in thinking that there should be that choice before a certain cutoff, but pro-life (?) in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide. This is the same exact viewpoint I've heard personally from a lot of people, almost verbatim, by the way.
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    « Reply #23 on: April 20, 2024, 05:27:11 PM »
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  • in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide.
    Killing at any point from conception onward (until the child is no longer an infant, ~2 years old?) is infanticide. 
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