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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Mr G on April 09, 2024, 08:19:15 AM
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Article: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com) (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/?utm_source=featured-news&utm_campaign=usa)
Video BREAKING: Trump Touts Support For IVF, Abortion in Various Circuмstances (lifesitenews.com) (https://www.lifesitenews.com/episodes/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances)
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Since last September, Trump has repeatedly suggested (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-criticizes-heartbeat-laws-again-a-lot-of-women-dont-know-if-theyre-pregnant-in-5-or-6-weeks/) that if elected again he wants to find a “certain number of weeks” that would make both sides “happy” to put the issue “behind us,” even going so far as to call heartbeat-based abortion bans enacted by various states a “terrible mistake,” emphasize his desire for whatever pro-life actions Republicans pursue to contain exceptions for the so-called “hard cases.”
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National Right to Life Committee president Carol Tobias reacted (https://www.nrlc.org/communications/nrlc-on-president-donald-j-trumps-position-on-abortion/) by praising Trump’s “work in ensuring that the wrongly decided Roe v. Wade was abandoned to the garbage heap of history” and pro-life record from his first term and “look[ing] forward to defeating the pro-abortion Biden-hαɾɾιs ticket and working with President Trump to build an America that truly respects life at every stage,” but not commenting on his latest comments.
By contrast, Live Action founder Lila Rose strongly denounced the statement, declaring Trump “is not a pro-life candidate” and calling on him to reject “this swamp-consultant-driven position” in favor of returning to that of the longstanding Republican Party Platform (https://ballotpedia.s3.amazonaws.com/images/1/10/2016_Republican_Party_Platform.pdf), which “support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth.”
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Trump is a stupid zionist a-s
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"I'm pro life" - Donald Trump.
... lol
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(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_social_share_1024x768_scale,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg)
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(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_social_share_1024x768_scale,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg)
When Israel gets this guy elected, the hands will rub oh, so more intensely.
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
Agreed. At this point, no possible argument can be made that stands up to test of double effect in voting for him. Anything else would be "lesser evil" reasoning, i.e. that Biden is more pro-abortion than Trump.
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This isn’t new and these objections were already dealt with in 2015-16. We know Trump isn’t a True Conservative™ like Jeb, Lindsay Graham & Ted Cruz. Not surprisingly, the cuckservative establishment is using this issue to undermine Trump and the Pro-Life Movement™ joins right in because they’re still angry that he exposed them in 2016.
All of you who oppose Trump almost always direct people back to the GOPe and the faker aspects of yesteryears culture wars (which in turn allows the left to regain lost ground), while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race. “Traditional Catholics” in the US are either allied to Con Inc. or are too blind, stupid, and unwise to see how you are used by them.
The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run, many of you should have been paying attention instead of becoming short-sighted, self-righteous pharisees.
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This isn’t new and these objections were already dealt with in 2015-16. We know Trump isn’t a True Conservative™ like Jeb, Lindsay Graham & Ted Cruz. Not surprisingly, the cuckservative establishment is using this issue to undermine Trump and the Pro-Life Movement™ joins right in because they’re still angry that he exposed them in 2016.
All of you who oppose Trump almost always direct people back to the GOPe and the faker aspects of yesteryears culture wars (which in turn allows the left to regain lost ground), while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race. “Traditional Catholics” in the US are either allied to Con Inc. or are too blind, stupid, and unwise to see how you are used by them.
The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run, many of you should have been paying attention instead of becoming short-sighted, self-righteous pharisees.
One question, is he playing 4D or 6D chess this time? :laugh1:
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
Exactly. You have this point to express if people ever ask "why?" you didn't vote.
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One question, is he playing 4D or 6D chess this time? :laugh1:
ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior™ and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues. That he may not have succeeded on those issues is one thing, but falling for these attacks on him does us no good. That’s why the whole “I feel betrayed by Trump” over this comes off as fake and gαy.
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I was already not planning to vote for him, but what about this news makes this a definite no vote for Trump? Did he really change his stance? What Republican candidate has ever been 100% pro-life (or non-zionist for that matter)? From what I remember, those who were 100% pro-life were never the GOP's pick.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
That is very unlikely to happen. And should it happen, the states will rush to enshrine sodomite "marriage" and more through legislation or referendum.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
His SCOTUS picks operate according to what the monied powers-that-be want, not according to God's ways. The Caitlyn Jenner/David Rubin/Dick Cheney cohort of the GOP won't have it any other way. (Remember that Obergefell was fundamentally about property rights and estate law.) Did you not see that Melania's fundraiser gala last week was specifically for an audience of deep-pocket sodomites?
Alito deep in his heart maybe knew that the truly right thing to do was to declare flat out that abortion at any stage of gestation is murder, but he understood that punting to the states was the only legalistic maneuver available. Too bad that the organized left (despite their hissy fit theatrics, gotta get the coeds marching and screeching every so often) was eagerly awaiting this outcome and already prepared with their own local court challenges and state-level ballot referenda.
Pragmatism may be expedient, but it prioritizes the worldly over the sacred. Pragmatism's also a gamble at a pragmatic level. With God, there's no gambling.
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ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior™ and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues. That he may not have succeeded on those issues is one thing, but falling for these attacks on him does us no good. That’s why the whole “I feel betrayed by Trump” over this comes off as fake and gαy.
Unqualified agreement with the last sentence.
Qualified agreement with the first and second sentences, but only to point out errors in perception of what happened and is happening.
The Don has always had a preternatural ability to sniff out paths to personal advantage. He didn't run as a culture warrior, but he did sense that he could manipulate and ride on an obvious and growing wave of anger and disgust.
Falling for attacks on him is indeed a distraction and a waste of energy, and that's exactly what the uniparty wants us to do.
Yet he willingly feeds it so that his blinded supporters identify with his victimhood and can't focus their attention on anything else, especially not the real truth as to the source of the rot so obvious everywhere. Trump Bible? Trump as reality-show Court TV underdog? Trump as ersatz savior? (Just look at some of the blasphemous memes the froggers unironically love to post nonstop.) The left is laughing at it.
If Trump does win again, it'll be because the worldings (answering to the prince of this world) know it's a necessary step in their trajectory. Whether or not Trump realizes he's their gamepiece is his problem, not mine.
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while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race.
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The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run
1: With that high a post count, it's not like you're new around here....
2: Please 'splain that mighty plan (or provide URL'd redirection), since we're so addled. Which dissident/alt-right might that be? If it's a pagan sandbox that doesn't recognize Christ the King, if it's a 5 Solas echo chamber, hey, you can keep it.
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Trump, Kari Lake, et al. are all RINOs/demagogues, not principled.
One RINO representative in Arizona said it's legislating from the bench! (The purpose of the legislature is to interpret law and its applicability! It didn't create a new law!)
Another RINO said he's not a woman and can't judge.
U.S. Senate candidate Kari Lake said (https://karilake.com/kari-lake-releases-statement-on-arizona-supreme-court-abortion-ruling/):
As your Senator, I will OPPOSE:
– Federal funding for abortion
– Federal ban(s) on abortion
As your Senator, I will FIGHT FOR:
– Baby Bonuses
– Making adoption more accessible and affordable
– Strengthening the economy so that Mothers can AFFORD a baby
– Protecting IVF
– Extending the child tax credit
– Paid family leave
– Investing in childcare
What a disgrace!
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Update today (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected):
"Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
'No,' Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "
Clear enough yet?
Trump says he will not sign a national abortion ban if reelected (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected)
By Daniel Payne (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/author/807/daniel-payne)
CNA Staff, Apr 10, 2024 / 14:20 pm
Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him: “Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?”
“No,” Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.”
Trump had minutes earlier indicated that he disagreed with this week’s historic ruling at the Arizona Supreme Court (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257327/arizona-supreme-court-upholds-law-restricting-abortion-protecting-life-throughout-pregnancy). That court on Monday ruled that state law does not guarantee a right to an abortion and that an 1864 law prohibiting all abortions can take effect later this month.
Asked in Atlanta on Wednesday if that ruling “went too far,” Trump responded: “Yeah they did, and that will be straightened out.”
“I’m sure that the governor and everybody else are going to bring it back into reason and that’ll be taken care of, I think very quickly,” the former president said.
Trump has been steadily positioning himself as more of a centrist on abortion in recent months.
On Monday he said in a social media video (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257314/trump-on-abortion-it-s-up-to-the-states-to-do-the-right-thing) that “at the end of the day” abortion law in the U.S. is “all about the will of the people” and that “now it’s up to the states to do the right thing.”
Last September, meanwhile, he called Florida’s six-week abortion (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/255406/donald-trump-calls-6-week-abortion-ban-a-terrible-mistake) ban “a terrible thing” and “a terrible mistake.”
President Joe Biden, on the other hand, last month promised to support (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257033/biden-promises-legal-abortion-nationwide-in-state-of-the-union-address) a law that would legalize abortion nationwide in response to the repeal of Roe v. Wade two years ago.
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Update today (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected):
"Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
'No,' Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "
Clear enough yet?
Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them. There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit. All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands. And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills. Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie. Happy as little larks. What a spell he held over them!
Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him. And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?". IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".
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He's for states' rights, isn't he?
As long as he doesn't force states to kill babies, isn't that good?
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Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them. There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit. All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands. And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills. Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie. Happy as little larks. What a spell he held over them!
Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him. And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?". IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".
I don't think that this kind of thing comes from his own mind. There's somebody from that special race that gives him this kind of direction.
Even if the thinks that he had this ingenious idea, there's probably somebody making him "wise suggestions".
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Trump's abortion view is in line with how the average American (https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx) sees it. Nothing new. They are pro-choice in thinking that there should be that choice before a certain cutoff, but pro-life (?) in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide. This is the same exact viewpoint I've heard personally from a lot of people, almost verbatim, by the way.
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in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide.
Killing at any point from conception onward (until the child is no longer an infant, ~2 years old?) is infanticide.