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Offline Godefroy

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Re: Fr. Mawdsley, continued.
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2025, 01:02:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on March 04, 2025, 10:32:45 AM
    Judge a tree by its fruits. The West has never done married priests. And only in the West did we have Christendom. Which "path" (married priests or unmarried priests) resulted in the worldwide spread of Catholicism? All the huge religious orders and missionary work have been from the West. Rome itself is located in the West. The West is superior.

    In the West you had the sufficient intellect (or the God-given religious sense) to intuit the fact that you can't be a good priest unless you leave all behind and "come, follow Me." Others tried to have their cake and eat it too, but the West was apparently wiser, looking at the results.
    William Cobbett, despite being a protestant listed numerous reasons in his "History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Wales" as to why priestly celibacy was a good idea.


    • Without family, priests can dedicate themselves to the needs of the faithful

    • The priest does not have to worry about the sick in his family, his priorities will always be the faithful especially if he visits sick faithful.

    • He will never be obliged to provide a dowry for his daughter or pay to install his son in a profession.

    • He can speak truth to the Prince, without worrying that his son depends on him to obtain a position or sinecure.

    • He would never have a wife who could induce him to behave in an arbitrary manner towards the faithful because of his social relations

    • The priest dies without a penny in his pocket and he has no heir to inherit from him.

    • The married priest would never be willing to visit people suffering from an infectious disease at the risk of infecting his own family.

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    « Reply #31 on: March 04, 2025, 02:12:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on March 04, 2025, 11:40:58 AM
    Celibacy has not always been the norm in the West.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm
    Thank you for posting this. The sheer ignorance of the first millennium of the Church by Catholics always amazes me. Pope Hormisdas springs to mind.
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    Re: Fr. Mawdsley, continued.
    « Reply #32 on: March 04, 2025, 02:46:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: LeDeg on March 04, 2025, 02:12:27 PM
    Thank you for posting this. The sheer ignorance of the first millennium of the Church by Catholics always amazes me. Pope Hormisdas springs to mind.
    Le deg please, can you reply to my reply on your post about Catholic origins of fascism and national socialism 
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    Re: Fr. Mawdsley, continued.
    « Reply #33 on: March 05, 2025, 12:14:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 04, 2025, 09:43:37 AM
    And this has to do with the price of tea in China how?  What's the relevance of Bishop Williamson to your slur against Fr. Mawdsley (without information to know) that he's a married layman?

    I find it ironic that you cast aspersions on the validity of NO Orders and on NO annulments by calling Fr. Mawdsley a "married layman" ... when the Bishop Williamson you invoke in connection with this matter was sent in as the enforcer and the replacement after The Nine objected to EXACTLY THOSE SAME TWO issues, claiming NO Orders were doubtful and that NO annulments were no good and not to be accepted without further investigation.  No, the Nine were not kicked out for SVism, but primarily for those very two issues.

    So I have to ask YOU whether Williamson would consider Fr. Mawdsley a "married layman" and therefore realize that he was on the wrong side of the dispute with the Nine the entire time.

    I do know that Bishop Williamson ordained some priests for a Traditionalist Ukrainian Catholic group, and it's not unlikely that some of them were married because that is and has always been their Tradition.  Apart from that, we don't actually know that the grounds for nullity of Fr. Mawdsley's prior marriage or attempt at marriage were illegitimate, so to hurl out their a slur that he's a "married layman" when we know neither that he's actually married or that he's a layman (since he could very well have received conditional ordination, since he did put out a video where he questioned the validity of his Orders).
    You're suggesting that I said something that I did not in fact say.

    I didn't say he was married. I have no evidence to say that. What I did do was compare the likelihood of two things: (a) conditional ordination kept secret and (b) married. "B" was to stress how unlikely I believe "A" to be. If he has no issue with publicly expressing concerns about his original ordination, why would he hide a conditional ordination?

    Obviously I went with "b" and not some random example because it also serves as a possible explanation for what otherwise doesn't clearly make sense. Fr.Mawdsley certainly knows the reason given for his annulment and it's not unreasonable to suggest that maybe he didn't even ask to be conditionally ordained.
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    Re: Fr. Mawdsley, continued.
    « Reply #34 on: March 05, 2025, 12:18:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on February 28, 2025, 09:54:23 PM
    Maybe +Bp.W gave the answer right there.
    I think it's more likely that James Mawdsley is still a married layman than a traditional-ordained priest.
    Tbh it's an English saying to call every bloke you see no matter if he is a cleric a "Good man". Does not mean anything directly imho
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    « Reply #35 on: March 05, 2025, 05:00:58 AM »
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    • Whatever the case may be, I think we are all in agreement with Bishop Williamson that "he is a good man". And a jolly good man at that! He has obviously come a long way since his annulment days, and he may well find himself in a somewhat delicate and difficult situation. Obviously, if we were in a position where we wanted to receive the sacraments from him, we would need to have more information about his Orders.
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    « Reply #36 on: March 05, 2025, 07:09:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on March 05, 2025, 05:00:58 AM
    Whatever the case may be, I think we are all in agreement with Bishop Williamson that "he is a good man". And a jolly good man at that! He has obviously come a long way since his annulment days, and he may well find himself in a somewhat delicate and difficult situation. Obviously, if we were in a position where we wanted to receive the sacraments from him, we would need to have more information about his Orders.

    THIS^^^
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