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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: josefamenendez on October 16, 2024, 07:19:20 PM
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I guess Trump thinks it’s ok to abuse children permanently by cutting off their genitals as long as the parents give consent
My, the slippery slope!
https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1846265815689318473/video/1
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I guess Trump thinks "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense," Trump said.
My, the slippery slope!
https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1846265815689318473/video/1
No. What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation of this portion of the comment to which you object is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement what you falsely claim he said. It's deceptive trickery to deliberatly RE-WORD an out-of-context statement in order to score points with your fellow echo-chamber pals so you can garner up-votes. Let the downvotes begin.
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No. What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation of this portion of the comment to which you object is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement what you falsely claim he said. It's deceptive trickery to deliberatly RE-WORD an out-of-context statement in order to score points with your fellow echo-chamber pals so you can garner up-votes. Let the downvotes begin.
The post from the link:
What the heck is this?
Trump says “We don’t want transgender operations without parental consent.”
Excuse me?
@JDVance (https://x.com/JDVance)
, you need to have a talk with
@realDonaldTrump (https://x.com/realDonaldTrump)
.
@TeamTrump (https://x.com/TeamTrump)
, you too.
Parents do not have the right to abuse their children, and childhood sex change surgeries are child abuse!
12-year-olds are having their breasts cut off, WITH parental consent. Are you telling me Trump is okay with that?
This is a dangerous cult, and parents are in it. Often, they’re the ones pushing this on their kids.
Child abuse is not acceptable. This language is the furthest thing from ‘common sense.’
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M1913, did you even read my post?
Trump was taken waaay out of context.
He did not say what he was alleged to have said.
Here's the link:
https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/2024/10/15/trump-economic-club-of-chicago
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Trump was taken waaay out of context.
He did not say what he was alleged to have said.
Just trying to understand here...
Taking a statement "out of context" in the normally understood sense would be something like:
"The Bible says 'There is no God.'"
"No, the full context is: 'The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God...'" - Psalm 13:1
The reason this is considered taking out of context is because the partial statement changes the meaning.
Trump said,
"We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
The key phrase in question is: "We don't want transgender operations without parental consent."
That sentence at least implies that transgender operations with parental consent would be okay. It is not taking out of context, in the sense of changing the meaning, but drawing the normal conclusion based on the obvious implication. If, however inadvertently, the sorry statement came out of my mouth, "We don't want transgender operations without parental consent.", I would immediately correct myself and say, "I mean, we don't want transgender operations, period." or "We don't want transgender operations, with or without parental consent."" If you know of a statement where Trump said he totally disapproves of transgender operations, at least of minors, whether the parents approve or not, please quote it. But if you are just assuming he disapproves of all transgender operations, then you are the one putting words in his mouth.
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According to his platform, it states:
Republicans Will End Left-wing Gender Insanity: We will keep men out of women’s sports, ban Taxpayer funding for sex change surgeries, and stop Taxpayer-funded Schools from promoting gender transition, reverse Biden’s radical rewrite of Title IX Education Regulations, and restore protections for women and girls
This doesn't sound like he is okay with "transgender mutilation with parental consent"
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That sentence at least implies that transgender operations with parental consent would be okay.
No, it doesn't imply it's "ok". It implies that a) the government can't control parents who decide to brainwash their child into getting a surgery. Because b) the president isn't a dictator. c) the medical community says it's "normal" for such a procedure to happen. d) There is no law that prohibits unnecessary surgeries.
Like it or not, you or I (or anyone) has the freedom to get any unnecessary surgeries we want to (plastic surgery is a huge business). It's called free choice. That's what America is built on, like it or not. Catholic or not.
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So you are saying removing a child's genitals as long as the parents' give permission is like getting the kid a nose job?
Transgender surgeries on anyone 18 and under should be against the law, and actually since it is such a harmful perversion should be illegal across the board.
Let them go "back alley" if they must , but we should never give an iota of consent- even parental consent.
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I guess Trump thinks it’s ok to abuse children permanently by cutting off their genitals as long as the parents give consent
My, the slippery slope!
https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1846265815689318473/video/1
"We don't want transgender operations without parental consent"
whaaaa???
You don't think this means Trump allows it WITH parental consent??? Somehow you are good with that?
I don't need Trump derangement syndrome to spot evil . It's pretty blatant.
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You don't think this means Trump allows it WITH parental consent??? Somehow you are good with that?
:facepalm: Trump can't allow it or disallow it. He's not a dictator. He's not a king.
Some of you really need to take a Civics 101 class and refresh yourself on how a republican form of govt works.
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:facepalm: Trump can't allow it or disallow it. He's not a dictator. He's not a king.
Some of you really need to take a Civics 101 class and refresh yourself on how a republican form of govt works.
He could sign as executive order and ban it for at least his time in office- but he won't. Not politically expedient. He won't even ban it for kids under 18 without parental consent- watch. This is all for show, trying to ride the fence on all the moral issues.
Trump is as bad as Kamala, but he is a lot more entertaining.
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I don't understand, you're blasting him for what he did NOT say?
He clearly DIDN'T say he would approve it WITH parents consent.
You're reaching for something that isn't there.
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He could sign as executive order and ban it for at least his time in office
Trump is not a king. He can't just sign executive orders for any topic he chooses. :facepalm:
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I don't understand, you're blasting him for what he did NOT say?
He clearly DIDN'T say he would approve it WITH parents consent
Exactly. The perfectionists can't reconcile their Faith with the fact that we don't live in a catholic country. I wonder if any of them will ever grasp reality?
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Exactly. The perfectionists can't reconcile their Faith with the fact that we don't live in a catholic country. I wonder if any of them will ever grasp reality?
It's no different with the idiot, snowflakes I argue with in my circles or even in my family about what Trump DIDN'T say.
This TDS ubiquitous everywhere, even on this board. And I'm getting dumb sick of it.
Look, I have my issues with Trump, and I don't think we can vote our way out of this, but we have to try something until we can't, this election is too damn important to quit and do nothing. I have children and grandchildren, I can't afford to sit this one out. And the Church says if we have to choose the " lesser" evil for the greater good, then thats the path we have to choose.
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I don't care who anyone votes for. They are just two lesser demons controlled by Satan. Take your pick. Kamala is a communist floozy that can barely speak, and Trump is a carnival barker that prays to the soul of Rebbi Schneerson in hell.
Let me ask you this. Were the "republicans" able to fix the fraudulent voting practices? Will there still be mail-in voting ? What happened to the Dominion lawsuits? Will there be ANYTHING different as far as licit voting going on this time as opposed to 2020?
All I keep hearing is that Trump has to win by a supermajority to overide the fraud. All this tells me is that 4 years have passed and nothing was done except for pillowman to give me a special on sheets.
There is no excuse for this other than to keep the spectacle alive, and it sure is that.
Anyone who thinks that Trump actually has your interests in mind, is well, out of theirs.
The only reason I pick on Trump over Kamala is obvious. Trump is taking good people into such a state of compromise morally that I wonder what if anything he does will deter them- Abortion- OK, Melania- well that was a set up, IVF ,Gaza , LGBT somehow people have no problem overlooking these things because it's Trump. I can't.
This is just a trap for your soul.
Trump isn't the swamp- he is quicksand.
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Trump is not a king. He can't just sign executive orders for any topic he chooses. :facepalm:
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He can. Wars have been executed on Executive Orders. They can be subject to judicial review but rarely are.
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"We don't want transgender operations without parental consent"
whaaaa???
You don't think this means Trump allows it WITH parental consent??? Somehow you are good with that?
I don't need Trump derangement syndrome to spot evil . It's pretty blatant.
Josefa..did you see my post above? Trump's platform specifically says it wants to stop public schools from promoting gender transition. Doesn't that imply that he is against Trans operations for children?
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Wars have been executed on Executive Orders.
Right, because the President has executive powers, as head of the Military.
But the President doesn't have executive powers to stop people from buying milk or to tell doctors what they can and can't do in their own hospitals. You need a civics lesson.
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This transgender insanity just didn't pop into the minds of young people out of the blue. It has been
disseminated by the usual people whom Trump grovels before. He will tell his gullible followers
one thing one day and another thing the next day. Meanwhile his good friend Larry Fink of Blackrock
will continue the woke/DEI/tranny/homo rot in every corporation his hairy claw controls.
What's it going to take to make you people understand?
The satanic elite know they will get pushback for their aggressive agenda so they get the orange
buffoon to be the controlled, ineffective opposition.
How can you pretend to fight something so massive and insidious, with unlimited funds without even
being able to name it? Trump can't name the source because he works for it, has given his very soul over to it.
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If Trump is for/against something/anything, then why won’t he just come out and say it instead of mincing words? If his position was crystal clear there wouldn’t be anyone saying “well he really meant this…or that…” but instead it’s talking in circles trying to play both sides. At the end of the day, we’re all being played!
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The satanic elite know they will get pushback for their aggressive agenda so they get the orange
buffoon to be the controlled, ineffective opposition.
Of course, Trump is somewhat controlled. But that’s an advantage to us because it buys us time. The pushback is a good thing; you act like it’s bad. ?? The slower the elites have to go with their plans, the shorter will be their time of triumph, as the year 2029 comes closer, so does Our Lady’s victory. And they know it.
Controlled opposition is not all bad. In the grand scheme of things, I cant change the course of politics by one inch, so I thank God for controlled opposition which is a blessing, in a sense. It’s better than having a Lenin or Stalin in charge and bring thrown into prison tomorrow.
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Of course, Trump is somewhat controlled. But that’s an advantage to us because it buys us time. The pushback is a good thing; you act like it’s bad. ?? The slower the elites have to go with their plans, the shorter will be their time of triumph, as the year 2029 comes closer, so does Our Lady’s victory. And they know it.
Controlled opposition is not all bad. In the grand scheme of things, I cant change the course of politics by one inch, so I thank God for controlled opposition which is a blessing, in a sense. It’s better than having a Lenin or Stalin in charge and bring thrown into prison tomorrow.
I think the only thing buying us time is a combination of enough Catholics saying the rosary(our only remaining weapon according to Sister Lucia) and the elites still refining AI to operate their central bank digital currency/biometric surveillance beast system.
The Red Sea pedestrians have never had this much full spectrum dominance across the economy, media, academia, politics. Nor has the public ever been thoroughly brainwashed. They aren't going to waste this opportunity. I think they jumped the gun a bit with the covid pandemic. That was their attempt to partially roll out some elements of the system, acclimate the public to it, study the reaction.
Virtually no one in conspiracy circles saw the Covid thing coming, despite some predictive programming in movies.
The fact that they could essentially shut down the world demonstrated how deeply they penetrated every government from top to bottom.
Those at the highest level are working in accordance with some kabbalistic timetable to usher in their savage messiah.
2030 seems to be the date that is set by those lovely folks at the World Economic Forum
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Josefa..did you see my post above? Trump's platform specifically says it wants to stop public schools from promoting gender transition. Doesn't that imply that he is against Trans operations for children?
It's like saying " I'm against cutting off your kid's arms, unless they have parental permission"
Some things are just objectively wrong and need more than a "weak" nod that maybe it's not a "good idea" ( and that's the extent of his involvement here)
It's no different than saying that getting an abortion for a teenager is acceptable with parental permission. While the parental permission is warranted for any minor surgery, it does not nullify the evil of the act. Trump is moving the Overton window step by step.
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Right, because the President has executive powers, as head of the Military.
But the President doesn't have executive powers to stop people from buying milk or to tell doctors what they can and can't do in their own hospitals. You need a civics lesson.
I've looked everywhere and I CANNOT find where executive orders are limited to specific areas ( miltary etc) They ARE subject to judicial review and can be vetoed by Congress. Obama made many Mental Health initiatives by executive order. Please provide information that shows me that a president could NOT at least put a moratorium on transgender surgeries for minors.
Limits on Executive Orders
Executive orders are not unchecked strokes of power from the president's pen; they can be challenged and deemed unlawful by federal courts. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court determined during the Korean War that executive orders must fit within a certain sphere of power and cannot simply defy Congressional intent (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=343&invol=579).
Although this area of law remains in flux, executive orders have the most legitimacy when the president is acting with the implied or express authority of Congress. However, these executive orders may still legally shape policy if the laws or Congress have been silent on an issue.
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Please provide information that shows me that a president could NOT at least put a moratorium on transgender surgeries for minors.
If the president could do pretty much anything by executive order, you don’t think Obama would’ve outlawed 90% of guns? He wanted to, but couldn’t. Because that’s not how our govt works. Executive orders are for powers ALREADY POSSESSED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. An executive order cannot legislate new laws/rules or judicate/decide legal battles. Because these are outside the powers of the executive branch.
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It's like saying " I'm against cutting off your kid's arms, unless they have parental permission"
Some things are just objectively wrong and need more than a "weak" nod that maybe it's not a "good idea" ( and that's the extent of his involvement here)
It's no different than saying that getting an abortion for a teenager is acceptable with parental permission. While the parental permission is warranted for any minor surgery, it does not nullify the evil of the act. Trump is moving the Overton window step by step.
I understand and agree that it would be much better if things were EXPLICITLY said, but the only politicians I know who were explicit in social issues such as these were "social conservatives", and they never got nominated let alone elected. In previous elections prior to 2016 when I didn't vote at all, I always voted in the primaries for the social conservative but was always left with the social moderates to vote for in the election.
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I don't care who anyone votes for. They are just two lesser demons controlled by Satan. Take your pick. Kamala is a communist floozy that can barely speak, and Trump is a carnival barker that prays to the soul of Rebbi Schneerson in hell.
Let me ask you this. Were the "republicans" able to fix the fraudulent voting practices? Will there still be mail-in voting ? What happened to the Dominion lawsuits? Will there be ANYTHING different as far as licit voting going on this time as opposed to 2020?
All I keep hearing is that Trump has to win by a supermajority to overide the fraud. All this tells me is that 4 years have passed and nothing was done except for pillowman to give me a special on sheets.
There is no excuse for this other than to keep the spectacle alive, and it sure is that.
Anyone who thinks that Trump actually has your interests in mind, is well, out of theirs.
The only reason I pick on Trump over Kamala is obvious. Trump is taking good people into such a state of compromise morally that I wonder what if anything he does will deter them- Abortion- OK, Melania- well that was a set up, IVF ,Gaza , LGBT somehow people have no problem overlooking these things because it's Trump. I can't.
This is just a trap for your soul.
Trump isn't the swamp- he is quicksand.
Very well put. Trump socialized for decades with Epstein, Maxwell, the Clintons, Adelsons, etc and had no problem whatsoever with their policies or sɛҳuąƖ proclivities as he likely shared in both. He was mentored by none other than Roy Cohen, the Epstein of his era, and boasts about being the biggest gentile Zionist(shabbos goy) on the planet.
Most of his grandchildren are Jєωιѕн and will inherit his empire. He has hitched his wagon to the joos because he wants his dynasty and brand to flourish in the world they presently control and the one they are fashioning for their messiah. He is not a deep or thoughtful man, rather a vain, shallow narcissist of the first order.
During his first year as president I cut the man some slack given that he was new to politics and how DC worked. Then came one horrendous cabinet pick after another, but never to this day showing any humility, admitting to any mistake, always playing the victim. In reality though they were the right picks because he always had an excuse for why he couldn't get anything done. But hey, we did get lowest black unemployment ever!
Just as during the Bolshevik revolution and its aftermath there were contending factions of jews who disagreed about how to advance the revolution abroad. The trotskyites wanted a direct militaristic approach but the Gramsci plan to gradually capture the institutions of the West won out. The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is how fast to boil the frog in order to achieve the same ends. That gap is shrinking by the day as we see Trump leading the faithful to accept more and more compromises. Accept queer marriage and adoption, IVF, genocide in Gaza and maybe, just maybe you might get some tiny walkback on bump stocks or MS13 gangmembers running amok in your town
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I understand and agree that it would be much better if things were EXPLICITLY said, but the only politicians I know who were explicit in social issues such as these were "social conservatives", and they never got nominated let alone elected. In previous elections prior to 2016 when I didn't vote at all, I always voted in the primaries for the social conservative but was always left with the social moderates to vote for in the election.
took such a strong and decisive stand vor
I don't think you can look at Trump as the average "moderate". He co-opted the Christian and Catholic right in 2016 and rightfully so, as the strongest pro-life presidential candidate we have ever had. That IS why he won (if you can trust any election.) We are the ones who got him over the finish line BECAUSE he took such decisive stands on moral issues that mattered, not in spite of it. It turned out to be a part of a larger plan to "capture" our demographic, and as Trump put it, " I could shoot somebody and not lose voters"- how true.
He really talked a good talk and seemed to be speaking truth to power.
Now he is banking on the past in keeping the conservative Christian and Catholic vote in check while currently throwing every conceivable wrench in our faces -" You have no where else to go". And so it seems.
He is essentially MORE evil than the average neo-con political hack because he is taking off the mask and showing us his true colors. He's no pro-lifer and has never been. We are seeing who he is and he is a world class zionist globalist player taking us down the path to Noahide slavery and worse, and we are still trying to convince ourselves that he "really doesn't mean it' and he will "save the day" somehow.
Remember , this is the man who gave us the beautiful shot and initiated the lockdowns. Don't tell me he was just naively manipulated. He was a major part of the plan.
Please.
If trump does win, and I think he will; everyone will be happy if he straightens out the economy a bit and everyone's 401K rises a few points, while Gazans, Lebanese and Syrians are being wiped off the face of the earth, babies continue to be slaughtered, old people euthanized and the gαy flag waved proudly; but no one will say a thing because it's under Trump's watch and not the evil democrats: and life will continue to be great for Israel and the Jєω oligharchs stealing our hard earned wealth, just the way they like it
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I don't think you can look at Trump as the average "moderate".
I wasn't trying to label Trump (and maybe he's not a moderate, but I still don't see him quite like hαɾɾιs).
I was merely pointing out that, although it sure would be nice if they did, no politician speaks explicitly on the social issues other than social conservatives...who never get nominated nor elected. I think it's a reflection of our liberalized society. As a result, we're unfortunately left with those who don't speak explicitly and tend to play both sides in order to get elected.
I'm not looking to argue with you josefa. I just wanted to make that point.
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I don't think you can look at Trump as the average "moderate". He co-opted the Christian and Catholic right in 2016 and rightfully so, as the strongest pro-life presidential candidate we have ever had. That IS why he won (if you can trust any election.) We are the ones who got him over the finish line BECAUSE he took such decisive stands on moral issues that mattered, not in spite of it. It turned out to be a part of a larger plan to "capture" our demographic, and as Trump put it, " I could shoot somebody and not lose voters"- how true.
He really talked a good talk and seemed to be speaking truth to power.
Now he is banking on the past in keeping the conservative Christian and Catholic vote in check while currently throwing every conceivable wrench in our faces -" You have no where else to go". And so it seems.
He is essentially MORE evil than the average neo-con political hack because he is taking off the mask and showing us his true colors. He's no pro-lifer and has never been. We are seeing who he is and he is a world class zionist globalist player taking us down the path to Noahide slavery and worse, and we are still trying to convince ourselves that he "really doesn't mean it' and he will "save the day" somehow.
Remember , this is the man who gave us the beautiful shot and initiated the lockdowns. Don't tell me he was just naively manipulated. He was a major part of the plan.
Please.
If trump does win, and I think he will; everyone will be happy if he straightens out the economy a bit and everyone's 401K rises a few points, while Gazans, Lebanese and Syrians are being wiped off the face of the earth, babies continue to be slaughtered, old people euthanized and the gαy flag waved proudly; but no one will say a thing because it's under Trump's watch and not the evil democrats: and life will continue to be great for Israel and the Jєω oligharchs stealing our hard earned wealth, just the way they like it
You are spot on!!
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If the president could do pretty much anything by executive order, you don’t think Obama would’ve outlawed 90% of guns? He wanted to, but couldn’t. Because that’s not how our govt works. Executive orders are for powers ALREADY POSSESSED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. An executive order cannot legislate new laws/rules or judicate/decide legal battles. Because these are outside the powers of the executive branch.
He would have started a cινιℓ ωαr over it- Obama was not stupid. Banning guns is unquestionably unconstitutional per the Second amendment. Is banning mutilating surgeries for children unconstitutional? He could do it and let it play out in the courts- certainly worth the effort. Child tranz surgeries used to be banned in this country, not too long ago. When did this change?
BTW Trump was able to outlaw the bump-stocks during his tenure by EO ( only Trump could have gotten away with that) but later the courts overturned it as unconstitutional.
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I wasn't trying to label Trump (and maybe he's not a moderate, but I still don't see him quite like hαɾɾιs).
I was merely pointing out that, although it sure would be nice if they did, no politician speaks explicitly on the social issues other than social conservatives...who never get nominated nor elected. I think it's a reflection of our liberalized society. As a result, we're unfortunately left with those who don't speak explicitly and tend to play both sides in order to get elected.
I'm not looking to argue with you josefa. I just wanted to make that point.
Well He IS speaking out on the social issues. In fact I wish he would keep his mouth shut. He is telling women they don't have to worry about their "reproductive rights", he's the father of IVF- and "allowing" tranz surgery for minors with parental consent. (paving the way for loosening up any objections?) none of these statement are "off the cuff". They are carefully crafted to make the point. He is a social liberal all the way, and he wants everyone to know it. He wants pro-lifers and Christians to be demoralized and compromise their beliefs for him because he "owns them" and he knows it. That's evil
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Well He IS speaking out on the social issues. In fact I wish he would keep his mouth shut. He is telling women they don't have to worry about their "reproductive rights", he's the father of IVF- and "allowing" tranz surgery for minors with parental consent. (paving the way for loosening up any objections?) none of these statement are "off the cuff". They are carefully crafted to make the point. He is a social liberal all the way, and he wants everyone to know it. He wants pro-lifers and Christians to be demoralized and compromise their beliefs for him because he "owns them" and he knows it. That's evil
I thought the posts here were discussing how he wasn't explicit in stating he is against trans surgeries for children (and that he should). I'll step away from this thread now.
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I agree with your reply Josefamenendez.
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BTW Trump was able to outlaw the bump-stocks during his tenure by EO ( only Trump could have gotten away with that) but later the courts overturned it as unconstitutional.
:facepalm: This proves my point that he can’t use an EO to outlaw trans surgeries. It’ll be overturned because he doesn’t have the power.
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So you are saying removing a child's genitals as long as the parents' give permission is like getting the kid a nose job?
Nobody said any such thing and you know it.
Trump did not say it.
No one on CI said it.
Go back and read the innocent statement Trump made which has been taken out of context.
What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation his comment is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. Not only is sɛҳuąƖ mutilation of children horrific and something Trump strongly opposes, but he also wanted to educate people who may not know that these sɛҳuąƖ mutilations are even more evil because they are done without the knowledge of the parents. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong (and well-docuмented) objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement the false claim being peddled about what he actually said.
It's deceptive trickery reminescent of the the left to deliberately RE-WORD an out-of-context statement.
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O my goodness.
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Nobody said any such thing and you know it.
Trump did not say it.
No one on CI said it.
Go back and read the innocent statement Trump made which has been taken out of context.
What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation his comment is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. Not only is sɛҳuąƖ mutilation of children horrific and something Trump strongly opposes, but he also wanted to educate people who may not know that these sɛҳuąƖ mutilations are even more evil because they are done without the knowledge of the parents. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong (and well-docuмented) objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement the false claim being peddled about what he actually said.
It's deceptive trickery reminescent of the the left to deliberately RE-WORD an out-of-context statement.
Taking a quote out of context and then changing what was said and then putting quotes around what was said and then repeating the deception is low-down sneaky.
Here's one of thousand sources that show the quote IN CONTEXT
.https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-economics-plan-6a4b07be04e342bf657ad12ef7b6bbfa
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:facepalm: This proves my point that he can’t use an EO to outlaw trans surgeries. It’ll be overturned because he doesn’t have the power.
it wasn't overturned until he was out of office. Up to 4 years child tranz surgery-free. It's worth it
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Nobody said any such thing and you know it.
Trump did not say it.
No one on CI said it.
Go back and read the innocent statement Trump made which has been taken out of context.
What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation his comment is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. Not only is sɛҳuąƖ mutilation of children horrific and something Trump strongly opposes, but he also wanted to educate people who may not know that these sɛҳuąƖ mutilations are even more evil because they are done without the knowledge of the parents. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong (and well-docuмented) objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement the false claim being peddled about what he actually said.
It's deceptive trickery reminescent of the the left to deliberately RE-WORD an out-of-context statement.
Cera- you need to read ALL the posts in context. That was a reply to PAX who said:
"Like it or not, you or I (or anyone) has the freedom to get any unnecessary surgeries we want to (plastic surgery is a huge business). It's called free choice. That's what America is built on, like it or not. Catholic or not."
What was wrong with my reply to that??? Here it is again:
"So you are saying removing a child's genitals as long as the parents' give permission is like getting the kid a nose job?"
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No. What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."
An honest interpretation of this portion of the comment to which you object is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.
Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement what you falsely claim he said. It's deceptive trickery to deliberatly RE-WORD an out-of-context statement in order to score points with your fellow echo-chamber pals so you can garner up-votes. Let the downvotes begin.
Exactly right!
Furthermore, what was the immediate response, to blindly condemn Trump and others who are trying to put a stop to this madness and completely ignoring the obvious result if Trump loses... unbelievably dishonest... so stuff that new guy M1913 because he is an obvious saboteur, on the bright side, he would not be doing this if he was winning. :)
Trump also has people like RFK Jr and Tulsi Gabbard etc on side who are very good on the child mutilation front also Tucker Carlson etc, so it's a nonsense argument to imply that he will aid wicked child mutilation, but then, just mentioning those three people and he will immediately go on another long tirade looking for anything to condemn them and here is the clincher... all while completely giving the obvious alternative of Hαɾɾιs a total free pass, no criticism at all... what a snake! Talk about condemning the speck in their neighbours eye while ignoring the log in their own.
The only difficulty for me is working out which of them are themselves simply deceived, which are just foolish and which are intentional saboteurs, because nobody is that dumb to completely ignore the direct result of such madness which would be a Hαɾɾιs win and the reinstating of Roe v Wade among so much more.
The only difficulty is that even though Trump has the lead, there will be a lot of attempts to rig the election, hence one should not take anything for granted as it needs to be too big to rig, then if Trump wins they can go about trying to fix the broken electoral system with stuff like paper ballots, national holiday and voter ID and start achieving progress and exposing all these Deep State snakes and their crimes over many years.
Should certainly pray for Trump and his team and you guys have a tremendous opportunity I would take in a heartbeat if it were available to myself. Of course there are problems and we should pray for them, but there are a lot of good things going for them and a lot of hope.
"Never discourage anyone who continually makes progress, no matter how slow." - Plato
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
Besides, your downvote ratio isn't as bad as mine, you've got some catching up to do lol. :)
God Bless
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Cera- you need to read ALL the posts in context. That was a reply to PAX who said:
"Like it or not, you or I (or anyone) has the freedom to get any unnecessary surgeries we want to (plastic surgery is a huge business). It's called free choice. That's what America is built on, like it or not. Catholic or not."
I can't find where PAX said that?
In any case, it's incorrect because Children are below the age of reason and thus it is obvious child abuse to groom them, then pump them with experimental drugs and horrifically mutilate them like that, diabolical, Trump and his team would absolutely be trying to put a stop to such madness and rightfully so, especially with those like RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson etc.
Therefore, to condemn Trump for the speed and way this is achieved and omit the obvious alternative which is running in the opposite direction? What is that? Are you dumb? You can be frustrated, you can be discouraged, you can think they aren't going far enough... but to go the opposite direction, to have the alternative of Hαɾɾιs win, to condemn Trump while totally omitting the alternative of a Hαɾɾιs win who would spearhead all of this? If it's all the same anyway then who cares and why are you so passionate? If anything you'd say nothing and just mention it in passing because you don't care and you don't think it matters, but some posters are awfully passionate to have Trump lose and Hαɾɾιs win... which if they are on the same side as us as they claim... then that makes absolutely no sense at all.
I can be passionate because I do think it will make a difference if Trump wins and I am Pro-Life anti Child Mutilation etc etc... but for you to be so passionate in condemning Trump or discouraging people and claiming to be on the same side as myself on these issues? That is simply not true. Those who push for the equation 'all or nothing' are doing so because they want you divided and conquered so you end up with nothing.
"Never discourage anyone who continually makes progress, no matter how slow." - Plato
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Cera- you need to read ALL the posts in context. That was a reply to PAX who said:
"Like it or not, you or I (or anyone) has the freedom to get any unnecessary surgeries we want to (plastic surgery is a huge business). It's called free choice. That's what America is built on, like it or not. Catholic or not."
What was wrong with my reply to that??? Here it is again:
"So you are saying removing a child's genitals as long as the parents' give permission is like getting the kid a nose job?"
It is not the same and you know it. And it is not what people are implying and you know it.
What are you going to do to encourage your local government to make laws that people not have any elective surgery until they are 25 (the age at which our brains are fully developed)? I am tired of people complaining about the system, instead of using the system to make your voice heard. Use the energy you have on this topic for something productive. If you already are, good.
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Rather than name the tribe of people behind the trannification of children, the infanticide industry, illegal immigration, and every other hellish social ill we're going to try and pass more laws! That will stop them!
When you're in a war to the death and can't even name the enemy you're just like a dog chasing his own tail.
And what if you pass a law, who is going to enforce it? Merrick Garland's justice department?
At this point the entire raison d'etre of the system is to destroy your life and culture but you're going to work within the system. If you vote in some more Republicans they are going to turn things around, is that the plan?
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If you remove yourself from the system God ordained for you, then you cannot be a person God works through.
Pushing the notion that you are sinning if you vote and then congratulating yourself for being the BEST Catholics is not taking your example from any Saint. State your case and move on.
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I can't find where PAX said that?
In any case, it's incorrect because Children are below the age of reason and thus it is obvious child abuse to groom them, then pump them with experimental drugs and horrifically mutilate them like that, diabolical, Trump and his team would absolutely be trying to put a stop to such madness and rightfully so, especially with those like RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson etc.
Therefore, to condemn Trump for the speed and way this is achieved and omit the obvious alternative which is running in the opposite direction? What is that? Are you dumb? You can be frustrated, you can be discouraged, you can think they aren't going far enough... but to go the opposite direction, to have the alternative of Hαɾɾιs win, to condemn Trump while totally omitting the alternative of a Hαɾɾιs win who would spearhead all of this? If it's all the same anyway then who cares and why are you so passionate? If anything you'd say nothing and just mention it in passing because you don't care and you don't think it matters, but some posters are awfully passionate to have Trump lose and Hαɾɾιs win... which if they are on the same side as us as they claim... then that makes absolutely no sense at all.
I can be passionate because I do think it will make a difference if Trump wins and I am Pro-Life anti Child Mutilation etc etc... but for you to be so passionate in condemning Trump or discouraging people and claiming to be on the same side as myself on these issues? That is simply not true. Those who push for the equation 'all or nothing' are doing so because they want you divided and conquered so you end up with nothing.
"Never discourage anyone who continually makes progress, no matter how slow." - Plato
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
First page, post 7- but I'n nor here to do your homework for you. it wasn't hard to find if you look.
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If you remove yourself from the system God ordained for you, then you cannot be a person God works through.
Pushing the notion that you are sinning if you vote and then congratulating yourself for being the BEST Catholics is not taking your example from any Saint. State your case and move on.
He didn't create nor ordain the current system of anti-christ and we always have free will and a choice to reject it. You are going to be easy prey with this attitude.
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First page, post 7- but I'm not here to do your homework for you. it wasn't hard to find if you look.
Got it, the first part puts it into better context and is why I missed it the first time... Pax does make a point, since if one goes down that track it's only a stone throw away before they make the diabolical and false argument that not jabbing your kids is child abuse (ironically exactly the opposite with useless jabs with a long list of serious side effects) and then try to take them away over that. Better to just be off limits and not go there, besides, there are other ways to go about it, such as going after the medical 'professionals' and schools who propagandize this stuff and mutilate people with a mental illness, also reporting on all the side effects and lies, as one can never change their gender they can only mutilate themselves and take dangerous drugs to simply have the appearance of the opposite gender and when they eventually realize this fact then of course they become very depressed and suicidal.
The point I made above with this irrational Trump bashing and while omitting the obvious alternative still stands IMO.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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Rather than name the tribe of people behind
Condemning a whole tribe of people with one broad brush now? Isn't that what some are doing to Gaza? Level it to the ground because of handful of guilty people, guilty by association? How are you any better now?
Like I said before, if Emperor Nero wanted to bring those responsible for the Great Fire of Rome to justice or account, then he would try to find those responsible (probably himself) and not institute a general and indiscriminate persecution of Christians who were clearly scapegoated and proves that Nero had ulterior motives.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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In any case, it's incorrect because Children are below the age of reason and thus it is obvious child abuse to groom them, then pump them with experimental drugs and horrifically mutilate them like that,
No child below the age of 7 is getting Trans surgeries. That’s a straw man. In the context of parental consent, a child is anyone under 18.
If any of you are dumb enough to support a law where the govt can tell parents what medical services (or not) they can provide for their children, then you’re destroying what little freedoms we have left. The only reason the jab wasn’t mandated is because we have a little medical freedom left.
If the govt can tell Linda Liberal that she can’t indoctrinate her child about LGBTQ, then it can tell you that you can’t teach your child about Catholicism. Give the govt power to stop an “evil” and it will turn around and use that power to stop anything else it wants to.
You can’t legislate morality and you can’t stop free will from doing evil. The best you can do is fight for limited govt. because the larger govt gets, and the more cookie jars it’s allowed to get its hands into, the next thing you know, it runs the whole kitchen and you’re begging for food.
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He didn't create nor ordain the current system of anti-christ and we always have free will and a choice to reject it. You are going to be easy prey with this attitude.
I am with God, so I won't be easy prey. Read revelations.
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I am with God, so I won't be easy prey. Read revelations.
yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God.
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Condemning a whole tribe of people with one broad brush now? Isn't that what some are doing to Gaza? Level it to the ground because of handful of guilty people, guilty by association? How are you any better now?
Like I said before, if Emperor Nero wanted to bring those responsible for the Great Fire of Rome to justice or account, then he would try to find those responsible (probably himself) and not institute a general and indiscriminate persecution of Christians who were clearly scapegoated and proves that Nero had ulterior motives.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
If you took a child to Disneyland and asked him who was in charge he would probably answer Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck. Similarly, there are terminally naive people like Josh here who have a juvenile's understanding of how the world actually works. I could present him with so many names of the people who control pornography, the NGOs orchestrating the border invasion here and in Europe, the financiers of communism, the banksters at the Fed, the feminist leaders, etc. that it would read like a Tel Aviv phonebook. And he would shriek, "oh but it's not all jews!"
I apologize for the tone in any of my previous posts. I was under the misapprehension that anyone who found their way to this forum already figured out the JQ. Apparently not, trads are about as dim as your average evangelical when it comes to politics.
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"If any of you are dumb enough to support a law where the govt can tell parents what medical services (or not) they can provide for their children, then you’re destroying what little freedoms we have left. The only reason the jab wasn’t mandated is because we have a little medical freedom left."
What? So there should be no restrictions on any potentially harmful or questionable treatments and surgeries for minors as long as the parent gives permission?
How about an orchiectomy to make sure that young man keeps singing soprano? (Daddy wants him in the choir.)
A 13 year old pregnancy surrogate with mommy's permission?
How about IVF for an 11 year old because Mom and Dad want more kids but can't have them, so their daughter carrying is the next best thing?
Breast implants for Johnny at 12 because you can't start early enough?
Time for your abortion at 14- mommy said so.
Aren't children allowed any protections anymore?
Some thing just need to be illegal, period.
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yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God.
I believe this is what is being set up against the few faithful Catholics.
The conservative right, pro-Trump and co-exist new agers are being united in opposition to the far left, "deep state" and "pope" Francis. This unity is not dogmatic but naturalism and do goodism.
Those of us standing firm on dogmas, such as, no salvation outside the Catholic Church, The Bessed Virgin Mary, no divorce/annulments, no birth control and no cohabiting before marriage will be labeled as divisive.
Most "conservatives" see themselves as saved and are already fine with those sins.