I don't think you can look at Trump as the average "moderate". He co-opted the Christian and Catholic right in 2016 and rightfully so, as the strongest pro-life presidential candidate we have ever had. That IS why he won (if you can trust any election.) We are the ones who got him over the finish line BECAUSE he took such decisive stands on moral issues that mattered, not in spite of it. It turned out to be a part of a larger plan to "capture" our demographic, and as Trump put it, " I could shoot somebody and not lose voters"- how true.

He really talked a good talk and seemed to be speaking truth to power.

Now he is banking on the past in keeping the conservative Christian and Catholic vote in check while currently throwing every conceivable wrench in our faces -" You have no where else to go". And so it seems.

He is essentially MORE evil than the average neo-con political hack because he is taking off the mask and showing us his true colors. He's no pro-lifer and has never been. We are seeing who he is and he is a world class zionist globalist player taking us down the path to Noahide slavery and worse, and we are still trying to convince ourselves that he "really doesn't mean it' and he will "save the day" somehow.

Remember , this is the man who gave us the beautiful shot and initiated the lockdowns. Don't tell me he was just naively manipulated. He was a major part of the plan.

Please.

If trump does win, and I think he will; everyone will be happy if he straightens out the economy a bit and everyone's 401K rises a few points, while Gazans, Lebanese and Syrians are being wiped off the face of the earth, babies continue to be slaughtered, old people euthanized  and the gαy flag waved proudly; but no one will say a thing because it's under Trump's watch and not the evil democrats: and life will continue to be great for Israel and the Jєω oligharchs stealing our hard earned wealth, just the way they like it

I wasn't trying to label Trump (and maybe he's not a moderate, but I still don't see him quite like hαɾɾιs). 

I was merely pointing out that, although it sure would be nice if they did, no politician speaks explicitly on the social issues other than social conservatives...who never get nominated nor elected.  I think it's a reflection of our liberalized society.  As a result, we're unfortunately left with those who don't speak explicitly and tend to play both sides in order to get elected.

I'm not looking to argue with you josefa.  I just wanted to make that point.

So you are saying removing a child's genitals as long as the parents' give permission is like getting the kid a nose job?

Nobody said any such thing and you know it.
Trump did not say it.
No one on CI said it.
Go back and read the innocent statement Trump made which has been taken out of context.


What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."

An honest interpretation his comment is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. Not only is sɛҳuąƖ mutilation of children horrific and something Trump strongly opposes, but he also wanted to educate people who may not know that these sɛҳuąƖ mutilations are even more evil because they are done without the knowledge of the parents. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong (and well-docuмented) objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.

Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement the false  claim being peddled about what he actually said.

It's deceptive trickery reminescent of the the left to deliberately RE-WORD an out-of-context statement.

Nobody said any such thing and you know it.
Trump did not say it.
No one on CI said it.
Go back and read the innocent statement Trump made which has been taken out of context.


What Trump said was: "We need borders; we need fair elections. We don't want men playing in women's sports. We don't want transgender operations without parental consent. There's so many things, but 99.9% is common sense."

An honest interpretation his comment is that he added the words "without parental consent" to educate others who may not know how horrific the situation is. Not only is sɛҳuąƖ mutilation of children horrific and something Trump strongly opposes, but he also wanted to educate people who may not know that these sɛҳuąƖ mutilations are even more evil because they are done without the knowledge of the parents. He clearly did not intend it to qualify his strong (and well-docuмented) objection to child sɛҳuąƖ mutilation in any way.

Only a person afflicted with TDS could possibly extract from his actual statement the false  claim being peddled about what he actually said.

It's deceptive trickery reminescent of the the left to deliberately RE-WORD an out-of-context statement.

Cera- you need to read ALL the posts in context. That was a  reply to PAX who said:

"Like it or not, you or I (or anyone) has the freedom to get any unnecessary surgeries we want to (plastic surgery is a huge business).  It's called free choice.  That's what America is built on, like it or not.  Catholic or not."