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Offline Meg

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Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2020, 04:00:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on July 28, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
    Yes, trolls abound. I got two down thumbs on page 1 simply for pointing out that people on this site spotted Marshall as a highly dubious character fully seven years ago. My mentioning Meg as an early spotter seems to have been viewed as especially unforgivable.

    I don't particularly care about the whats and whys of people's likes and dislikes, but to my knowledge spitefulness has never been numbered among the saintly characteristics to which Catholics should aspire.

    As for Archbishop Viganò, the attitude that the worth of his various published messages should be regarded as tainted because he has had what some consider questionable friendships and associations is uncomfortably redolent of a media-led "cancellation" of a celebrity who was seen in a store one day saying hello to a h0Ɩ0h0αx h0Ɩ0cαųst denier. Surely a Catholic should judge the messenger by his message; not the other way around. For that reason. so long as the archbishop continues to attack conciliarist traitors and speak up for the True Faith, he will have my support and applause.

    Well said.

    I, too, support Vigano. But not Opus Dei, or Taylor Marshall.

    The only reason that I was an early spotter is that I happened to peruse a website several years ago, soon after the Fisher-More college disaster, in which someone at the college (I know not whom - the website didn't say) who was involved with the details of the situation, who said that Taylor Marshall, after turning in his resignation, asked for a large severance pay. Marshall said that he would keep quiet about the financial situation at FM, IF he would be given the severance pay, but he didn't get it. It was denied. So he went forward with his story about what went on at Fisher-More college. I haven't been able to find that website that told this story. It seems to have disappeared.

    To be fair, Marshall does have a lot of children to support, and that may be his reason for sort of blackmailing the college, and wanting that severance pay. But still.....
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #31 on: July 29, 2020, 05:30:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 29, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
    I opened it, read it and responded to it.
    Are you having a bad day?
    Cera,
    There were multiple links on Marshall’s Opus Dei background on the “callmejorge” blog you were unable to access.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #32 on: July 29, 2020, 08:35:55 PM »
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    • An old adage that is particularly apt when it comes to miraculous Novus Ordo Indult-only trad conversions: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    Buuut... Muh VII truth filter!

    Let it die. Vigano, like Trump may bring a certain amount of relief and hope to starving ears but there's a rainbow flag at the end of that pot 'o shekels.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #33 on: July 30, 2020, 08:45:12 AM »
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    • It's unfortunate that Trump also picked the Jєωy neo-con psuedo-integralist Adrian Vermeule.


    Quote from: Croixalist on July 29, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
    An old adage that is particularly apt when it comes to miraculous Novus Ordo Indult-only trad conversions: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    Buuut... Muh VII truth filter!
    Rebranding as Trad™ is popular these days. I'm hearing that even Scott Hahn is "making his way to tradition" and has praised the Latin Mass; of course, the usual suspects are impressed. A lot of these types are looking TLM-ward out of necessity because the old straightforward Neo-Con grift no longer works.


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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #34 on: July 30, 2020, 12:11:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Caraffa on July 30, 2020, 08:45:12 AM
    I'm hearing that even Scott Hahn is "making his way to tradition" and has praised the Latin Mass; of course, the usual suspects are impressed.

    I was very surprised when I saw a picture of Scott Hahn assisting at a Latin Mass in a home chapel with Kevin James the comedian of all people as server.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #35 on: July 30, 2020, 12:21:38 PM »
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #36 on: July 30, 2020, 01:30:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on July 29, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
    Cera,
    There were multiple links on Marshall’s Opus Dei background on the “callmejorge” blog you were unable to access.
    There was only one footnote which worked, and the aforementioned non-working footnote link. The attack on Taylor Marshall was unfounded speculation. Prove me wrong.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #37 on: July 30, 2020, 05:31:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on July 29, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
    An old adage that is particularly apt when it comes to miraculous Novus Ordo Indult-only trad conversions: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    Buuut... Muh VII truth filter!

    Let it die. Vigano, like Trump may bring a certain amount of relief and hope to starving ears but there's a rainbow flag at the end of that pot 'o shekels.
    Something is amiss.
    I agree with Matthew AND Croixalist in the same day...
    I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #38 on: July 30, 2020, 06:23:27 PM »
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    An old adage that is particularly apt when it comes to miraculous Novus Ordo Indult-only trad conversions: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    Buuut... Muh VII truth filter!

    Let it die. Vigano, like Trump may bring a certain amount of relief and hope to starving ears but there's a rainbow flag at the end of that pot 'o shekels.

    I think +Vigano stands out among all the rest of "indult only" conversions. 
    1) He's already stated his opposition to V2 and the innovative/abusive new mass.  So, if he privately says the TLM, what kind of "indult" is that?  It's not an indult at all, for he disagrees with every "condition" of +Benedict's "motu" and has stated his support of Quo Primum.
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    2) Let's give Marshall and all these recent indult-converts some leeway.  Many of them are totally new to Catholicism, in general, AND to Tradition.  Marshall admitted that he used to hate +Lefevbre and the sspx because he looked upon them as similar to Martin Luther, who rejected the Church, and many "normal" catholics he talked to, told him the sspx was schismatic.  Fast forward to now, and he had admitted he was wrong, sees why Tradition exists and now supports +Vigano's cast-it-all-out approach to V2, as opposed to Schneider's "let keep trying to fix a square circle" approach.  I see a lot of good will in Marshall.
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    3) I don't know much about Opus Dei, except they are a big organization with dubious beginnings and a questionable orthodoxy.  Does this mean that EVERY member is "in on it"?  And if Marshall is corrupted, how so?  What's the goal?  What has he done that's wrong?  He's an anglican convert that joined Opus Dei...maybe he makes good money and they wanted his contributions?  There's a lot of "useful idiots" in these groups (including the masons), who invite "popular" people so their groups appear mainstream, and many of these "popular" people have no idea they're being used.
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #39 on: July 30, 2020, 06:43:19 PM »
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    • As someone who was influenced someone by Dr. Marshall on my path to discovering Catholic tradition, I have mixed views about him. I think he provides a lot of good info on the TLM and Catholic tradition, as well as other things like the Fatima apparitions. Due to the size of his channel, more of this information is now more easily accessible. However, I don't like his pro-Indult views and his book "Infiltration", as someone else pointed out in this thread, is quite lacking. Haven't been looking into his more recent stuff for the most part, as I started to move away from his content about a year ago, after he put a strike on Dr. E Michael Jones' channel because Jones tried to defend himself in an accusation made against him by Timothy Gordon during an online dispute. That really was a scuмmy move. Another strange thing he did was that he made a podcast or two with Timothy Gordon a while back in which they both condemned Distributism as being "Catholic Socialism". Don't know if he's changed on that position, however. 
     
    (Here's a review from Culture Wars tackling the issue of TM's omission in portraying the reality of the Jєωιѕн war on the Catholic Church: https://culturewars.com/news/infiltration?rq=infiltration%20taylor%20marshall)

    Continuing on the subject of Taylor Marshall, he did say on a video months ago that he'd like to do an interview with Bishop Williamson sometime. Who knows if that will actually happen, I somewhat doubt it considering that it may give His Excellency some positive exposure to a wider audience, something that Trad Inc. absolutely doesn't want to happen. Here's a link to my thread on this: 
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/dr-taylor-marshall-considering-an-interview-with-bishop-williamson/msg690583/#msg690583



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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #40 on: July 30, 2020, 06:49:36 PM »
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    However, I don't like his pro-Indult views and his book "Infiltration", as someone else pointed out in this thread, is quite lacking.
    I agree.  He has no business writing about the infiltration in the Church, being he only converted a few years ago.  Studying the church infiltration starts all the way back in the 1800s and takes a LOT longer than a few years to get a good foundation.  It can take decades to truly grasp the depth of the problem.
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    Haven't been looking into his more recent stuff for the most part, as I started to move away from his content about a year ago, after he put a strike on Dr. E Michael Jones' channel because Jones tried to defend himself in an accusation made against him by Timothy Gordon during an online dispute.

    I did not know this.  Maybe this is the influence of "opus dei" (i.e. ridicule any anti-jooish ideals...because E Michael Jones is certain anti-jooish, politically speaking)?
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #41 on: July 30, 2020, 07:10:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 30, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
    I did not know this.  Maybe this is the influence of "opus dei" (i.e. ridicule any anti-jooish ideals...because E Michael Jones is certain anti-jooish, politically speaking)?
    Possibly...remember that Marshall wrote a book about Christ called "The Crucified Rabbi" before he started moving towards Tradition. Here's a blog post that reported on this dispute here: 
    http://www.theeponymousflower.com/2019/05/taylor-marshall-and-tim-gordon-slander.html
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #42 on: July 30, 2020, 08:32:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croixalist on July 29, 2020, 08:35:55 PM

    Buuut... Muh VII truth filter!

    Is this supposed to convey meaning? If so, what is it—in English, please?
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #43 on: July 30, 2020, 08:49:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on July 30, 2020, 08:32:49 PM
    Is this supposed to convey meaning? If so, what is it—in English, please?

    "Muh" is a dopey way of saying "my" as in an ignorant person stubbornly holding on to whatever follows...
    Muh pro-choice rights
    Muh social justice
    Muh feelings
    etc...
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    Re: Trump Chooses Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #44 on: July 30, 2020, 09:33:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 30, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
    There was only one footnote which worked, and the aforementioned non-working footnote link. The attack on Taylor Marshall was unfounded speculation. Prove me wrong.

    You could table all the Opus Dei discussion and still contend with a man who insists on maintaining a public profile as a leading "traditional" Catholic voice when he should have sought a far more private life. A lot of things that a convert must contend with take a good deal of time to navigate through and one can hardly lead discussions when they're supposed to be focused on catching up.

    I don't see the man being particularly conscientious or trepidatious in his meanderings with the occasional golden nugget as archived here about his "vision" of a pained woman with a milk-engorged bosom representing the Church:
    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/03/there-is-poison-in-mother-but-her-milk.html

    His lack of honesty is more than abundantly clear when you consider how he was the man behind the Pachamama dunking (which suspiciously had zero repercussions) and not Alexander Tschugguel and that they had orchestrated the incident for what is looking more and more like a publicity stunt.

    But back to Opus Dei for just a minute: He named one of his sons after Escriva.

    Why is this so hard to take in? He OD'd as soon as he went NO. He only disavowed a week before the Pachamama incident. Now he's dumped Gordon for a more SSPX-aligned position? I have to be skeptical.

    Most importantly, never forget how far the serpent will unhinge his jaw to wrap around large prey. Trad Catholics are a big prize to be won by the elites. They seem less interested in the outright destruction of their targets than the ability to absorb them whole. Less struggle that way!

    Quote from: Venantius0518 on July 30, 2020, 05:31:33 PM
    Something is amiss.
    I agree with Matthew AND Croixalist in the same day...
    I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Not if you can't take your eyes off the mirror!
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