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Offline Miseremini

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Trump at Notre Dame
« on: December 03, 2024, 05:06:42 PM »
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2024, 07:30:41 PM »
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  • Notre Dame Reopening ceremony

    The French Freemasonic government desecrates and torches the Cathedral to rebuild it for their occult temple rituals.

    This helps to explain why the guest list was filled with Jєω billionaires and every crypto-Jєω head-of-state.

    Marie Julie Jahenny foresaw when Parisians would burn their own city to the ground.

    This desecration of one of Christendom’s most historic Catholic cathedrals explains why.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #2 on: December 08, 2024, 09:11:09 PM »
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  • I wondered if Trump's attending might be a sign of his coming closer to Catholicism, but it was a de facto state event, with many dignitaries from throughout the world in attendance, so aside from his being not-quite-yet-a-public-official, it is more of a diplomatic nicety, than anything else.

    Yet Trump seems favorably disposed to Catholicism.  It might be better that he is pretty much a blank slate WRT religion, rather than coming at it with a set of preconceptions.  His marriage to Marla Maples would be the "valid" one (both non-Catholics and free to marry at least in the natural order), and it seems as though he and Melania are not conjugal anymore (and lived apart much during much of his presidency, a situation that will probably be repeated), so it is already more or less a Josephite marriage.

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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #3 on: December 08, 2024, 09:18:44 PM »
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #4 on: December 08, 2024, 09:42:16 PM »
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  • They likely wanted some official American representation there this weekend (the day before was the reopening ceremony). President Biden, if memory recalls, was at a Pearl Harbor event because the anniversary of the attack was yesterday. President-elect Trump is who Macron will have to be around for his last two years as President of France, so why not get used to him now?
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #5 on: December 08, 2024, 10:50:19 PM »
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  • What are they wearing???  Yuk!  Vestments are to be the finest for the service of God.

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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2024, 12:36:30 AM »
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  • The First Lady was at the Notre Dame rededication, so there was official U.S. representation.  I would assume the U.S. Ambassador was there also, but I've not looked it up.  It is not unusual for a First Lady to represent the President.

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    Yet Trump seems favorably disposed to Catholicism.  It might be better that he is pretty much a blank slate WRT religion, rather than coming at it with a set of preconceptions.  His marriage to Marla Maples would be the "valid" one (both non-Catholics and free to marry at least in the natural order), and it seems as though he and Melania are not conjugal anymore (and lived apart much during much of his presidency, a situation that will probably be repeated), so it is already more or less a Josephite marriage.

    I am missing how Donald Trump's marriage to Marla Maples could be "valid" or how he and Marla were free to marry.  Would not the Church have considered him still married to his first wife Ivana (though divorced in 1990) when he married Marla in 1993, two months after the birth of their daughter?  And after being divorced from Ivana he marries Melania (baptized Catholic) in a protestant ceremony.  Even if Donald and Melania's relationship is non conjugal there is still the public scandal of it all.

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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #7 on: December 09, 2024, 05:31:17 AM »
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  • What are they wearing???  Yuk!  Vestments are to be the finest for the service of God.


    Sprinkle vestments?  😅🤣
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #8 on: December 09, 2024, 06:20:08 AM »
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  • Sprinkle vestments?  😅🤣
    Confetti!!!  :facepalm:

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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #9 on: December 09, 2024, 05:24:36 PM »
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  • The "Archbishop" of Utrecht's vestments almost looked like a fag flag.
    Yes, I think that was deliberate.
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #10 on: December 09, 2024, 06:52:02 PM »
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  • The First Lady was at the Notre Dame rededication, so there was official U.S. representation.  I would assume the U.S. Ambassador was there also, but I've not looked it up.  It is not unusual for a First Lady to represent the President.

    I am missing how Donald Trump's marriage to Marla Maples could be "valid" or how he and Marla were free to marry.  Would not the Church have considered him still married to his first wife Ivana (though divorced in 1990) when he married Marla in 1993, two months after the birth of their daughter?  And after being divorced from Ivana he marries Melania (baptized Catholic) in a protestant ceremony.  Even if Donald and Melania's relationship is non conjugal there is still the public scandal of it all.

    Ivana (first wife) was Catholic, and she had been married before, though it seems that this marriage was for the purpose of her securing Austrian nationality.  I have found no evidence that she entered this marriage in the Church, but if she did not, that marriage would have been invalid.  If she did, however, then it could have been invalid due to its being a sham marriage, but if it were valid in spite of that, this alone would have rendered her unable to marry Donald validly.

    If the first marriage was invalid, of course she would have been free to marry, but Ivana and Donald married at the Marble Collegiate Church in NYC, and I seriously doubt she sought a dispensation from canonical form, to which she would have been bound though Donald (a non-Catholic) was not.  Assuming this, then the marriage of Ivana and Donald was invalid.

    Fast forward to putative marriage #2.  Donald and Marla were both non-Catholics, and if not bound by a prior valid marriage, would have been free to marry at least in the natural order.  Donald being bound by this marriage would have prevented him from validly marrying Melania, a Catholic, and on top of that, Donald and Melania married in an Episcopal ceremony.  Again, I seriously doubt Melania sought dispensation from canonical form.  Ergo, the marriage of Donald and Melania is invalid.

    Assuming the marriage of Donald and Melania is invalid (hard to see how it could be otherwise), the question then is "does a person converting to Catholicism, and in an invalid marriage, have to repudiate that marriage publicly, or do they have the option of living in a Josephite fashion --- assuming there is some grave reason to do so --- and simply not discussing the invalidity of their marriage to anyone?".  A private citizen might have that luxury, but the President of the United States is far from being a private citizen.  Add to this, if he divorced Melania civilly, they are probably under a pretty iron-clad pre-nup that would only act to Melania's advantage.  As a practical matter, he may be pretty much stuck with her.

    TL:DR, Donald and Marla are probably validly married to one another in the eyes of the Church.


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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #11 on: December 09, 2024, 07:31:10 PM »
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    ...President Emmanuel Macron has done a wonderful job ensuring that Notre Dame has been restored to its full level of glory, and even more so...


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    When people like Macron are involved on the restoration of a Catholic building, and people like Trump are invited to the "grand reopening", we can be sure that something very sinister is happening.

    I mean, if they simply ignored Catholicism it would be much better, but their participation seems to me to imply that there's some sort of occultism happening there.

    The fire has all the hints of being deliberate. The French government participation in the rebuilding settles it for me. They burned it down and now rebuilt it to some very sinister end.

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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #12 on: December 10, 2024, 12:11:36 AM »
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  • Yes, I think that was deliberate.
    It's freemasonic.



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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #13 on: December 10, 2024, 12:46:41 AM »
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  • https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113586046394556777

    When people like Macron are involved on the restoration of a Catholic building, and people like Trump are invited to the "grand reopening", we can be sure that something very sinister is happening.

    I mean, if they simply ignored Catholicism it would be much better, but their participation seems to me to imply that there's some sort of occultism happening there.

    The fire has all the hints of being deliberate. The French government participation in the rebuilding settles it for me. They burned it down and now rebuilt it to some very sinister end.
    Emmanuel Macron was present because he is responsible for the rebuilding of the cathedral as head of state of the French Republic. The French government, not the Church, owns Notre Dame because of a 1905 law that makes religious buildings state property.
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    Re: Trump at Notre Dame
    « Reply #14 on: December 10, 2024, 07:35:21 AM »
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  • Emmanuel Macron was present because he is responsible for the rebuilding of the cathedral as head of state of the French Republic. The French government, not the Church, owns Notre Dame because of a 1905 law that makes religious buildings state property.
    Sure. This is related to Pope Leo XIII's disastrous dealings with the French state back in the 1800s.

    Anyway, there are probably many things that the French government is officially responsible for that does not get that much attention. I mean, why such nasty people care so much for the rebuilding of a Catholic temple? Tourism? National pride?