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Offline graceseeker

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Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 11:09:55 AM »
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  • And doesn't the Bible say "The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon his children"?


    I really don't  see where that is entirely relevant?
    the fact of the matter is that we are not Russia or North Korea
    people have to come before "ideology" or ...?
    now if people willfully violate the law, they should suffer the consequences.

    if you will recal Hillary's excuse was that she didn't INTEND to violate US security.  If she can make that excuse (and there is no such excuse allowed for treason and crimes of that nature) then I think we can make such an "excuse" for innocent children (now grown) who had NO control over what was happening to them. I don't see why that is so hard to understand?

    We cannot abuse people and justify it with "ideology" or "policy" (abuse being different from punish justifiably)


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 11:13:24 AM »
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  • God's Word is not relevant???????????
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



    Offline graceseeker

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 11:22:21 AM »
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  • God's Word is not relevant???????????
    oh please
    you sound like a Protestant

    Offline TKGS

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #33 on: September 20, 2017, 11:24:55 AM »
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  • I really don't  see where that is entirely relevant?
    the fact of the matter is that we are not Russia or North Korea
    people have to come before "ideology" or ...?
    now if people willfully violate the law, they should suffer the consequences.

    if you will recal Hillary's excuse was that she didn't INTEND to violate US security.  If she can make that excuse (and there is no such excuse allowed for treason and crimes of that nature) then I think we can make such an "excuse" for innocent children (now grown) who had NO control over what was happening to them. I don't see why that is so hard to understand?

    We cannot abuse people and justify it with "ideology" or "policy" (abuse being different from punish justifiably)
    Russia and North Korea are irrelevant to this issue.

    How are are we abusing anyone?  Sending a person to his legal homeland is not abuse.  A person has no right, morally or legally, to live in the United States.  

    Speaking of "hard to understand", I don't see why you seem to think that not living in the United States is "punishment".
    And doesn't the Bible say "The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon his children"?
    It certainly does.

    Of course, for many liberals, the very Word of God is anathema--and not relevant to any argument...even a moral argument.

    The argument advanced by graceseeker is excactly the same argument advanced by proponents of abortion.  They also say that "forcing" a woman to carry an "unwanted" baby in her womb is punishment.  Consider those who say that abortion should be legal when pregnancy is the result of a rape.  They say the very same thing graceseeker says about DACA:  That such woman are completely innocent and shouldn't be "punished" [by being forced to carry her unborn baby to term].

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #34 on: September 20, 2017, 11:36:13 AM »
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  • Speaking of "hard to understand", I don't see why you seem to think that not living in the United States is "punishment"

    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 01:29:19 AM »
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  • Don't they have priests in Mexico who can absolve them?  Why must we endure their crime sprees and nasty asses here before they decide to seek absolution?  They should probably seek absolution for thieving our resources (welfare, free education, etc) while they're at it.  Hopefully their penance will be that they contribute to the wall fund.
    Do you have anymore mish-mash liberal gibberish that you care to share with us.  You're either a left leaning neo-con or an outright liberal.  At least you're consistent with the same brand of religion and politics.  :barf:
    For every 'bad' child that you can find I can find 100 good children. They are in school. They are valedictorians and honor students. they are doing all the things that they are supposed to do as good children doing the right thing. You don't like it when you are being painted with the same brush as the local riff raff.  

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 01:31:08 AM »
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  • Do you think God is fair that all of us children of Adam are punished as a result of the singular sin of Adam?
    I think that it si wrong for us to be gratuitously nasty to children

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #37 on: September 21, 2017, 01:33:08 AM »
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  • And doesn't the Bible say "The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon his children"?
    Are we trying to be more generous than God?
    Rules are rules and laws are laws for a purpose both God's and man's and breaking them
    has consequences
    "Let the children come to me." - Jesus


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #38 on: September 21, 2017, 01:34:30 AM »
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  • oh please
    you sound like a Protestant
    It is not Protestant to be in communion with the Word of God.

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 06:10:20 AM »
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  • For every 'bad' child that you can find I can find 100 good children. They are in school. They are valedictorians and honor students. they are doing all the things that they are supposed to do as good children doing the right thing. You don't like it when you are being painted with the same brush as the local riff raff.  
    They have no rights to our resources--school, welfare, healthcare, etc. govt cheese--NADA rights.  I doubt many are valedictorians as you reference.  But any who are have taken the slot and the prizes that go with it from legal citizens.  And I assure you that you couldn't show me 100 model "citizen" illegals for every pos illegal in my area.

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #40 on: September 21, 2017, 07:37:00 AM »
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  • They have no rights to our resources--school, welfare, healthcare, etc. govt cheese--NADA rights.  I doubt many are valedictorians as you reference.  But any who are have taken the slot and the prizes that go with it from legal citizens.  And I assure you that you couldn't show me 100 model "citizen" illegals for every pos illegal in my area.
    This is right.

    The stupid looks from those women aside, this youtube sums it up in under a minute.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #41 on: September 21, 2017, 08:45:24 AM »
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  • It is not Protestant to be in communion with the Word of God.
    “The joint prayer of Lutherans and Catholics from Finland is a humble but faithful sharing in the prayer of Jesus, who promised that every prayer raised to the Father in his name would be heard. This indeed is the royal door of ecuмenism: such prayer leads us to look at the Kingdom of God and the unity of the Church in a fresh way; it reinforces our bonds of communion…” Benedict XVI's Address to members of the Finnish Ecuмenical Delegation 18JAN000008 via L’ Osservatore Romano 30JAN30000008, p. 10 emph. DZP

    “Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ!  We are gathered, Orthodox Christians, Catholics and Protestants – and together with us there are also some Jєωιѕн friends – to sing together the evening praise of God… This is an hour of gratitude for the fact that we can pray together in this way and, by turning to the Lord, at the same time grow in unity among ourselves… Our koinonia [communion] is above all communion with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit; it is communion with the triune God, made possible by the Lord through his incarnation and the outpouring of the Spirit.  This communion with God creates in turn koinonia among people, as a participation in the faith of the Apostles…” Benedict XVI's Ecuмenical Vespers Address 12SEP000006 via L’Osservatore Romano 20SEP000006 p. 10 emph DZ P


    Not even the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #42 on: September 23, 2017, 01:03:45 PM »
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  • It is not Protestant to be in communion with the Word of God.
    it is protestant to believe that YOUR personal interpretation of the Word of God is THE interpretation (meaning what God intended)

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #43 on: September 23, 2017, 01:09:08 PM »
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  • Just to be clear as to where I am coming from:

    Illegals who brought their children here should be deported

    their children who have grown up here and have never known (to speak of) any other way of life or country should NOT be deported, except that most parents will obviously w ant to take their children w/ them when they are deported. Or maybe they will w ant to leave them here so that some day when the Ds are in power or something else changes, they will be given citizenship or the possibility of it.

    I say they should NEVER get citizenship or anything remotely like it. Just b/c their children are not deported and have some green card or whatever it would be called... does not mean the illegals should get  Anything from the USA at all.

     they violated our laws and should be punished just like an American would be for violating our laws AND deported

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #44 on: September 23, 2017, 11:05:27 PM »
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  • it is protestant to believe that YOUR personal interpretation of the Word of God is THE interpretation (meaning what God intended)
    My personal interpretation of the Word of God is the same as the magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church.