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thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
« on: September 05, 2017, 11:27:43 AM »
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  • The DACA program should be ended. I have no doubts or reservations a bout that. But what I find odd and am not in total agreement with is what should be done with t he (now adults) who are already here who were under that program.

    I think it is bizarre they should have to go live in Mexico when they haven't known any country but the US. Maybe that is not what is being proposed but it sounds like some are suggesting that

    There should be no more applications but the ones who have only known this country (most of their lives) should be allowed to stay as long as they don't violate our laws...

    that's my opinion until I am dissuaded from it by some piece of information I do not yet have

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2017, 06:32:09 AM »
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  • I think you could introduce a path to permanent residency or even citizenship. Everyone who's a part of this had a parent overstay a visa or something else - the child, today's adults, were just five or six. They all work and if they commit even one felony, they're out.
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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2017, 02:07:13 PM »
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  • I think you could introduce a path to permanent residency or even citizenship. Everyone who's a part of this had a parent overstay a visa or something else - the child, today's adults, were just five or six. They all work and if they commit even one felony, they're out.
    I assume this applies to children of illegal immigrants, not just those who overstay visas??
    in any case, the child should not be punished by what "adults" have done to control said child's world.

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 02:08:12 PM »
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  • Overstaying a visa is a form of illegal immigration.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2017, 06:53:03 PM »
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  • Slippery slope here.

    If parents want total control of their children (which I believe is what God intended) without government interference then yes the sins of the fathers will be visited upon the children, and the children will pay the price.

    We can't have it both ways.....but I guess that is politically incorrect.
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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 11:19:51 AM »
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  • Slippery slope here.

    If parents want total control of their children (which I believe is what God intended) without government interference then yes the sins of the fathers will be visited upon the children, and the children will pay the price.

    We can't have it both ways.....but I guess that is politically incorrect.
    then we should get rid of "child protective" agencies run by the govt
    and child abuse should not be litigated or punished?
    hey, i hate cps so i dont have a problem with abolishing it. But we cannot let children be abused

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2017, 11:30:12 AM »
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  • nothing much is ever said about the illegals who brought their children here. Were they deported and left their children behind?

    I'll be glad when this storm is over so we can get some info on this kind of thing, assuming we ever do

    I mean, it seems like there is much information missing from any given topic or story---------

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 12:36:25 PM »
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  • then we should get rid of "child protective" agencies run by the govt
    and child abuse should not be litigated or punished?
    hey, i hate cps so i dont have a problem with abolishing it. But we cannot let children be abused
    Cps behaviour aside, in this case of children of illegals, how can it be child abuse if the
    children are deported with their parents?  The family is still intact.
    We may not like where they are going but the parents are connected to that culture and no
    matter how much the children are Americanized you can be sure they were still brought
    up in the parents culture.
    We can't be all things to all people.  If we try we'll be nothing to everybody.
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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #8 on: September 10, 2017, 12:43:22 PM »
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  • My thoughts?  This:

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/09/oklahomas-daca-bishops-want-to-sell-out.html

    My headline:  

    "Oklahoma's DACA Bishops Want To Sell Out Oklahomans" 


    Canon212's headline for my article: 

    "Dear Okie DACA Bishops: FrancisSaint Fr. Stanley Rother didn't bring in 'unsustainable' floods of poor illegal aliens. He went to them."

    Ha ha ha!   :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:
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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 03:33:09 PM »
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  • I assume this applies to children of illegal immigrants, not just those who overstay visas??
    in any case, the child should not be punished by what "adults" have done to control said child's world.
    If the children are returned to their country of citizenship, they are not being punished for what adults have done.  They are living with the consequences of what has been done to them.  

    If a man robs a bank and is sent to prison, do the children get to keep the money?  Or do the children have to live with the consequences of having their father sent to prison?  

    When a person does something evil or breaks a law, others often--almost always--live with the consequences of those actions.  Children always live with the consequences of their parents' actions.

    Either the U.S. has laws governing immigration or the U.S. should just let anyone in who wants to live in the country.  If the U.S. is going to restrict immigration, the laws in place should be followed.

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 12:03:08 PM »
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  • Cps behaviour aside, in this case of children of illegals, how can it be child abuse if the
    children are deported with their parents?  The family is still intact.
    We may not like where they are going but the parents are connected to that culture and no
    matter how much the children are Americanized you can be sure they were still brought
    up in the parents culture.
    We can't be all things to all people.  If we try we'll be nothing to everybody.
    i agree.
    I think if the parents are deported, the children probably should be... and yet I don't know.. I have a lot on my mind lately and probably am missing something b/c very distracted.   


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 11:50:28 PM »
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  • I assume this applies to children of illegal immigrants, not just those who overstay visas??
    in any case, the child should not be punished by what "adults" have done to control said child's world.
    Birth in the United States = Citizenship in the United States.

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 11:55:17 PM »
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  • From the US Conference of Catholic Bishops;

    "It is preposterous to claim that justice for immigrants isn't central to Catholic teaching. It comes directly from Jesus Himself in Matthew 25, 'For I was hungry and you gave me food…a stranger and you welcomed me.' Immigrants and refugees are precisely the strangers we must welcome. This isn't Catholic partisanship. The Bible is clear: welcoming immigrants is indispensable to our faith.
    Caring for and about the 'Dreamers' is nothing more than trying to carry out that seemingly simple, but ultimately incredibly demanding, commandment. It is a commandment found throughout Sacred Scripture, reaching back to the Hebrew scriptures, including Leviticus, 'when an alien resides with you in your land, do not mistreat such a one' (Lv. 19:33). In fact, the Church has been pro-immigration since God called Abram to leave Ur: 'Go forth from your land, your relatives, and from your father's house to a land that I will show you' (Gn. 12:1). To suggest otherwise is absurd.
    The witness of the Catholic bishops on issues from pro-life to pro-marriage to pro-health care to pro-immigration reforms is rooted in the Gospel of Jesus Christ rather than the convenient political trends of the day. We are called not to politics or partisanship, but to love our neighbor. Let's reject the forces of division that insist we make a false choice between our safety and our humanity. It is both possible and morally necessary to secure the border in a manner which provides security and a humane immigration policy.
    Our pro-immigration stance is based on fidelity to God's word and honors the American dream. For anyone to suggest that it is out of sordid motives of statistics or financial gain is outrageous and insulting."

    http://www.usccb.org/news/2017/17-159.cfm

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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 12:52:38 AM »
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  • I agree the bible tells us how to treat a stranger in our land but it seems the bible is talking about strangers one at a time not tens of thousands.  That's close to an invasion.

    Was Aguinas' thoughts on immigration against the bible?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: thoughts on the end of DACA (kids brought to US illegally)
    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2017, 02:18:36 AM »
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  • I agree the bible tells us how to treat a stranger in our land but it seems the bible is talking about strangers one at a time not tens of thousands.  That's close to an invasion.

    Was Aguinas' thoughts on immigration against the bible?
    From Paul's Letter to the Hebrews;
    2 and remember always to welcome strangers, for by doing this, some people have entertained angels without knowing it.
    http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=65&bible_chapter=13


     

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