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Author Topic: The Martyrs' Stand: Choosing Christ Over Compromise in Today's Political Land  (Read 9418 times)

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Offline Valentine

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  • Strange wasn't it, how everyone surrounding Trump, from Fauci to his own cabinet that he picked, were trying to undermine him. Imagine his sadness and disappointment when Bolton and Bill Barr turned on him! Seems like Trump was the only person who didn't see that coming. BTW, you would be hard pressed to find two more odious swamp creatures in all of DC. I remember, and Pepperidge Farm remembers when Trump supporters explained these disastrous picks as the old, keep your enemies close 3D chess move. 
     
    I'm still scratching my head as to why Trump didn't fire Fauci and Brix. Maybe there weren't any other PHDs in virology in the country.
    I don't think I've ever seen another politician step on as many rakes as Trump. He would appoint one horrible person then replace them with someone even worse. But it wasn't his fault, probably due to all that bad advice he was getting from Jared, Sheldon Adelson, or his good friend Rudy. Incidentally, did you know it was Rudy Giuliani who struck the sweet deal in behalf of the very joosh Sackler family that created the opioid crisis in this country that killed hundreds of thousands of people? 
    I've finally seen the light though. I am buying a MAGA hat tomorrow and casting my vote for DJT! I am hoping
    he pushes through the Platinum Plan during his second term, and maybe Kim Kardashian will persuade him once more to release more violent black felons. We're also going to get unprecedented immigrants but they will be legal this time! 

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  • Imagine his sadness and disappointment when Bolton and Bill Barr turned on him!



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  • Those who did not vote for and support Trump-Pence have no share in the credit for the Dobbs victory. They instead almost derailed that huge win, that colossal victory of overturning Roe v Wade which is going to save millions of babies lives over the next decade or so with their false teaching. Just ignore them, and press on to complete victory.

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  • Those who did not vote for and support Trump-Pence have no share in the credit for the Dobbs victory. They instead almost derailed that huge win, that colossal victory of overturning Roe v Wade which is going to save millions of babies lives over the next decade or so with their false teaching. Just ignore them, and press on to complete victory.
      In 2023, there were an estimated 1,037,000 abortions in the US, which is an 11% increase from 2020. This is the highest number of abortions in over a decade. 


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  • Cite your sources. And why are you cherry-picking 2023 and 2020. You need an average of about 3 years before Roe and 3 years after Roe to see the statistically significant difference. What happened to years 2021 and 2022?



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  • See this for more long term data: https://www.guttmacher.org/2024/03/despite-bans-number-abortions-united-states-increased-2023 14 states have effectively banned abortion since Roe was overturned. That was possible because of the Dobbs victory. It's not their fault if some people, in a panic, now travel to different states and perhaps have more abortions than before, a short term trend unlikely to sustain in the long term. The long term end game is anyway to ban abortion in all 50 states. That is not possible immediately, but it will be possible soon, like in 8-10 years, if we take the right steps now. 

    "The number of abortions in the United States peaked in 1990, at 1.6 million. Over nearly 30 years, they experienced a sustained decline, falling to 885,000 in 2017. In 2019 and 2020, however, this long-term trend started to reverse, with the number of abortions rising to 930,160 in 2020, marking an 8% increase from 2017 (see Additional Downloads for appendix table). While there are no comprehensive estimates for the next several years, partial data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest that this increase continued at least into 2021."




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  • Here's what's going to happen in the next 10 years. Conservative states have already banned abortion and will have more children. Conservative states will become even more conservative and the pro-life population of these states will go up, which means they'll continue to vote red and be solidly conservative for a long time. Liberals will move to liberal states and will keep killing their children until abortion is legally abolished in all 50 states. Their population will continue to decline and that means liberalism is effectively dead and has no long term future, especially if pro lifers continue to work at changing hearts and minds too, and not just laws, as we must. We must do both. And we will win. When the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, which Our Lady has promised us, begins, there will be no more abortion.

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  • Cite your sources. And why are you cherry-picking 2023 and 2020. You need an average of about 3 years before Roe and 3 years after Roe to see the statistically significant difference. What happened to years 2021 and 2022?
    (groans in disbelief) Come on man! as sleepy Joe would say. All you have to do is google it and there are numerous articles all attesting to the same thing. I don't know how in the world such statistics are compiled and don't have the stomach to find out. Perhaps they are skewered, I wouldn't be surprised. The point is the joos have made moloch worship the most significant cause for the average American female. 

    I was as joyful as anyone when Roe V Wade was overturned but gradually saw it as a uniparty tactic to reinvigorate the two party system that many were finally beginning to see through. For decades the muh constitution conservatives saw this as a states rights issue and I imagine the powers that be relented thinking the matter would at last be laid to rest. Then we could get back to the real business of this nation, supporting Israel!
    Alas, the joos, without missing a heartbeat, have found workarounds to provide surgical abortions to any of the evil women who want them. As promiscuity increases from a generation raised on porn and Taylor Swift there will be more sacrifices to moloch. The same Supreme Court that overturned Roe just ruled that over the counter abortion pills, which account for 60+% of the evil act are legal. 
    There was so much righteous skepticism toward Captain War Speed, that the Zionists needed something to prop him up again. That was Roe and all the bogus lawsuits to create sympathy for him. However much I despise the man he nonetheless represents a proxy for White Christian Americans. Every attack on him is seen as an attack on us.
    So...I think the tribe sees Trump as the best salesman for WWIII, starting with an invasion of Iran. 
    Notice too as FOX News beats the war drum the armed services have pivoted from their woke commercials to 
    increase recruitment of rural White boys for the upcoming war. 
     


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  • And this ...
    https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1843318219404186024

    I'm just gob-smacked that we have Traditional Catholics voting for this, claiming it's licit to vote for this, and even some claiming there's a moral obligation to vote for this.

    If I cast a vote for Trump, I'd be doing the Lady MacBeth in trying to wipe the blood off my hands on 
    Candidate A.  All children 2 and under euthanized 

    Candidate B.  All children under 3 euthanized. 

    If this were our two choices, it seems to me that the modern traditional Catholic thinking is that we should choose candidate A because we would save lives. And not only should we choose candidate A, but we are morally obligated to do so under the pain of sin.

    I cannot imagine any Catholic Saint thinking this way.

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  • Candidate A.  All children 2 and under euthanized

    Candidate B.  All children under 3 euthanized.

    If this were our two choices, it seems to me that the modern traditional Catholic thinking is that we should choose candidate A because we would save lives. And not only should we choose candidate A, but we are morally obligated to do so under the pain of sin.

    I cannot imagine any Catholic Saint thinking this way.
      Right. Unless you were one of the kids under 2. Maybe you would hope someone would vote against candidate B.
    The current situation is not as hopeless as portrayed by your example.

    Be righteous when your skin is on the line.

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  •   Right. Unless you were one of the kids under 2. Maybe you would hope someone would vote against candidate B.
    The current situation is not as hopeless as portrayed by your example.

    Be righteous when your skin is on the line.

    No!  How about Catholics stand up for all the kids and say enough is enough.  Stop compromising stop participating and raise your voice against all of it!  


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  • No!  How about Catholics stand up for all the kids and say enough is enough.  Stop compromising stop participating and raise your voice against all of it! 
    Right. So, do that. Since you refuse to vote because according to you that means compromise with the corrupt and immoral system, start by refusing to pay taxes-all taxes, sales tax, property tax, etc. Paying into the corrupt and immoral system would and should be viewed by you and the rest of the bunch as a compromise with evil, no?
     No, of course not. Why? Because refusing to pay taxes on principle would mean immediate and personal consequences. If your convictions are so firm that you just can't vote against an arrogant communist, (not voting has zero immediate personal consequences) then stop funding with your tax dollars the corrupt and immoral politicians of the corrupt and immoral system.
     Instead, you and your bunch are just what the communists are hoping for- a bunch  self-righteous pacifists.


    Offline Michelle

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  • Right. So, do that. Since you refuse to vote because according to you that means compromise with the corrupt and immoral system, start by refusing to pay taxes-all taxes, sales tax, property tax, etc. Paying into the corrupt and immoral system would and should be viewed by you and the rest of the bunch as a compromise with evil, no?
     No, of course not. Why? Because refusing to pay taxes on principle would mean immediate and personal consequences. If your convictions are so firm that you just can't vote against an arrogant communist, (not voting has zero immediate personal consequences) then stop funding with your tax dollars the corrupt and immoral politicians of the corrupt and immoral system.
     Instead, you and your bunch are just what the communists are hoping for- a bunch  self-righteous pacifists.

    You seem angry.  It's impossible to have a rational conversation with an angry person spewing insults and name calling against fellow Catholics.  Those are actually communist tactics.

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  • Candidate A.  All children 2 and under euthanized

    Candidate B.  All children under 3 euthanized.

    If this were our two choices, it seems to me that the modern traditional Catholic thinking is that we should choose candidate A because we would save lives. And not only should we choose candidate A, but we are morally obligated to do so under the pain of sin.

    I cannot imagine any Catholic Saint thinking this way.
    Absolutely, I completely agree with your sentiment. The current landscape reflects a similar moral conundrum where many argue for choosing the "lesser evil."

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  • No!  How about Catholics stand up for all the kids and say enough is enough.  Stop compromising stop participating and raise your voice against all of it! 
    This is the only response, it is that simple.