Thank you M.
I too pray for everyone here on CI and on another trad forum I go to.
I especially pray for the Jєωs, satanists, globalists, Communists and others who aggravate me.
May God Bless You

p.s. I'm really struggling to pray for Fauchi, since family members have been seriously damaged by the CCP vaxx. Please pray for me.

I started praying for you yesterday. I will add this special intention, if you can please pray for me as well, for humility.

Is this an article or something? It's just Trump Derangement Syndrome disguised as Catholic moral teaching.

Matthew challenged Ladislaus to come up with one traditional priest who said it would be a mortal sin to vote for Trump. Ladislaus failed to come up with one. Maybe you can?

Yeah, Matthew pathetically unable to refute a single word of what I was saying regarding legitimate moral principles and evil false principles.  M1913 cited St. Thomas some papal teaching holding exactly what I have been stating for years.

Matthew and the Trad clergy were all evidently asleep in moral theology class.

... since it's Day One stuff there that "lesser evil" is a false / rejected principle and that the end does not justify the means.

Yet we have moronic Trad clergy using the term "lesser evil", causing great scandal among the faithful, legitimizing that error of moral theology.

I also clearly laid out the possibility of applying "double effect", but pointed out that no one has made (or even attempted to make) a case of voting for Trump based on this LEGITIMATE Catholic principles, but continue to regurgitate variations of "lesser evil".  I've never ruled out the possibility of making a case for the liceity of voting Trump based on this legitimate principle, but no one has even tried.

Those Trad clergy and all the other promotors of these errors on this forum and anywhere else will be held accountable by God for their error.

And you, Matthew, and everybody else, continuing to promote your error while being pathetically incapable of refuting a single word I wrote, appeal to the "false authority" of these derelict Trad clergy.

All the world's bishops, priests, and theologians, those who actually HAD jurisdiction, unlike our vagus clergy, many of whom might as well have obtained their academic credentials from Cracker Jack boxes, and yet posture as if they were expert theologians, all these Catholic authorities with jurisdiction and teaching authority endorsed Vatican II as legitimate (whom Cekada would claim were infallible just a few years earlier) ... and even +Lefebvre signed all the V2 docuмents, and many Catholics have made the same absurd "Nuremberg defense" argument that you are making, to the perdition of their souls.

Who are YOU to reject this teaching of the man the entire Church has accepted as pope, and the teaching of all the bishops in the world and all the theologians and all the priests, etc?  By what of your "own lights" do you do these things?

Right Ladislaus.  You can't vote against the more dangerous politician because according to your interpretation and understanding, just by voting, it means the voter gives consent to every sin of the immoral politician.  I don't agree with that. I'm not voting with that intention. So just stop trying to tell everyone what they think.

  So you and others won't vote because of the immorality and corruption, but you and others pay taxes into a corrupt and immoral system controlled by the same corrupt and immoral politicians who, as you are fully aware of, use your tax money to fund all kinds of immorality and murder.  Funny and conveniently how you and all the martyrs here take such a strong stand against voting(  refusing to vote has zero personal consequences) but you all somehow have no problem paying taxes to fund a corrupt and immoral system run by the same corrupt and immoral politicians. Why? Because if you carried your principled position towards paying taxes, and refused to pay taxes (sales tax, property tax, school tax,etc, ) the consequences would be immediate and personal.

So many talk about "they want to be martyrs". They had their chance in the 2020 covid experience.  No martyrs, plenty of theology.

All the world's bishops, priests, and theologians, those who actually HAD jurisdiction, unlike our vagus clergy, many of whom might as well have obtained their academic credentials from Cracker Jack boxes, and yet posture as if they were expert theologians, all these Catholic authorities with jurisdiction and teaching authority endorsed Vatican II as legitimate (whom Cekada would claim were infallible just a few years earlier) ... and even +Lefebvre signed all the V2 docuмents, and many Catholics have made the same absurd "Nuremberg defense" argument that you are making, to the perdition of their souls.

Who are YOU to reject this teaching of the man the entire Church has accepted as pope, and the teaching of all the bishops in the world and all the theologians and all the priests, etc?  By what of your "own lights" do you do these things?

So all the Trad clergy alive today are "vagus clergy" who "might has well have obtained their academic credentials from Cracker Jack boxes". Such respect for the Trad clergy.

Yes, I am on the opposite side as you on this specific point. And I feel I'm in very good company.

Just when I was tempted to think I might be wrong -- you go and make me feel completely righteous by slam dunking the entire collective Trad Catholic clergy down the toilet.

Yes, Ladislaus. Please slam dunk me down the toilet too while you're at it. I want to be with them, not you.

I'm willing to have some pretty unpopular opinions. But I'm not willing to condemn others on any prudential or controversial topic that not a single Trad Catholic clergy has raised his voice upon. I'm not willing to believe in that thorough a collapse of the Catholic Church.

The whole "Trads are going to Hell, and no Trad priest is even trying to stop them!" is insane to me. It suggests that God has utterly abandoned us.

I have seem very little people citing moralists in this much debated subject.

My contribution:

Moral Theology. A Complete Course Based on St. Thomas Aquinas and the Best Modern Authorities.
John A. McHugh and Charles J. Callan. 1929.



Moral Theology BY
REV. HERIBERT JONE, O. F. M. CA. Fifteenth Edition (1961).



Dominic M. Prummer, O. P.
HANDBOOK OF MORAL THEOLOGY. Published in Germany in 1949. First published in English in 1956.



My question is: are all these Moral Theologians wrong? I don't know that much about the others, but Prummer is one of the most eminent in this field.

McHugh and Callan were quoted in a thread started by QvD back in August based on the NOW article here:

Catholic Morality on Voting: Obligation, Permissibility, and that Pesky Problem of the ‘Lesser Evil’ – Novus Ordo Watch

I also posted McHugh and Callan in my Voting 2024 -  Update thread. 

I had not seen the other two you posted.  Thank you for posting them.

I don't have to know the catechism, the Summa, every papal encyclical inside and out to know that voting for candidates that advocate for genocide is to be complicit in that genocide.
What so ever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me.

So are you following your logic through to its conclusion?  Have you stopped paying taxes?

voting for candidates that advocate for genocide is to be complicit in that genocide.

Genocide? Do you mean the Biden/hαɾɾιs administration giving money to both Israel and Iran? Or are you talking about something else? Please enlighten me. I'm not up on the latest from Q-anon 2.0 and their echo-chamber controlled opposition.

It's not clear to me what you mean by implying that Trump is in favor of genocide ...

Then you're clearly ignorant and uninformed ...

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