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In a time when our moral compass is often challenged by the choices presented in politics, the examples set by saints and martyrs remind us of the imperative to uphold our values, even at the cost of our lives. Just as these courageous figures faced persecution rather than compromise their faith, we, too, must grapple with the choices before us in today’s elections, including the stark contrast between candidates like Donald Trump and Kamala hαɾɾιs.

Much like the saints who chose martyrdom over moral failure, we are confronted with a choice: to support candidates who compromise on fundamental issues or to stand firm in our convictions. The stories of these martyrs illustrate that true integrity demands we reject any participation in moral wrongs.

  • St. Thomas More: He stood against King Henry VIII’s demand to renounce the Pope, leading to his execution. More’s unwavering conviction resonates today, challenging us to consider whether voting for a candidate, like Trump, who fails to uphold the sanctity of life due to his stance on abortion, aligns with our Catholic principles. He famously stated, “I die the King’s good servant, but God’s first,” emphasizing that faith must prevail over worldly authority.
  • St. Joan of Arc: Captured and faced with the choice to recant her divine visions, she chose death rather than betrayal. This calls to mind the moral implications of voting for candidates whose policies may promote intrinsic evils. By supporting those who compromise on life issues, are we not abandoning our faith just as Joan might have abandoned hers?
  • St. Polycarp: Refusing to renounce Christ, he declared, “Away with the atheists!” before his martyrdom. His example urges us to consider the repercussions of our political choices: can we align ourselves with a candidate who endorses practices fundamentally opposed to our faith?
  • St. Lawrence: Executed for defying a demand to surrender the Church’s treasures, he chose to present the poor instead, reminding us that moral choices often come with consequences. In a political arena where candidates may only represent a fraction of our values, we must question if our vote further legitimizes a system that opposes our beliefs.
  • St. Sebastian: He courageously confronted the emperor, leading to his martyrdom. His actions exemplify the need to resist evil and uphold truth, urging us to reject candidates like hαɾɾιs or Trump who may represent a lesser evil but still compromise our Catholic convictions.
  • These examples illustrate a crucial lesson: when faced with moral choices, including the upcoming election, we must choose to uphold our faith over political expediency. The martyrs remind us that the integrity of our beliefs cannot be sacrificed for any candidate, regardless of how they may compare to another.

As we prepare to make decisions at the polls, let us remember the sacrifices made by these saints and martyrs. Their lives exemplify the steadfastness required to navigate the murky waters of modern politics.

In light of this, we must consider whether voting for a morally compromised candidate, whether Trump or hαɾɾιs, aligns with the teachings of our faith. We cannot allow ourselves to be drawn into a cycle of justifying moral failures for perceived political gain.

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  • Is this an article or something? It's just Trump Derangement Syndrome disguised as Catholic moral teaching.

    Matthew challenged Ladislaus to come up with one traditional priest who said it would be a mortal sin to vote for Trump. Ladislaus failed to come up with one. Maybe you can?


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  • Is this an article or something? It's just Trump Derangement Syndrome disguised as Catholic moral teaching.

    Matthew challenged Ladislaus to come up with one traditional priest who said it would be a mortal sin to vote for Trump. Ladislaus failed to come up with one. Maybe you can?

    Father Ruis, Father Hewko have said Catholics can not vote for either hαɾɾιs or Trump.

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  • Is this an article or something? It's just Trump Derangement Syndrome disguised as Catholic moral teaching.

    Matthew challenged Ladislaus to come up with one traditional priest who said it would be a mortal sin to vote for Trump. Ladislaus failed to come up with one. Maybe you can?
    Lol, Trump Derangement Syndrome, this what those born in 1955-1964 who participate in "Democracy" say. Are you a JP2 fan as well?

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  • In a time when our moral compass is often challenged by the choices presented in politics, the examples set by saints and martyrs remind us of the imperative to uphold our values, even at the cost of our lives. Just as these courageous figures faced persecution rather than compromise their faith, we, too, must grapple with the choices before us in today’s elections, including the stark contrast between candidates like Donald Trump and Kamala hαɾɾιs.

    Much like the saints who chose martyrdom over moral failure, we are confronted with a choice: to support candidates who compromise on fundamental issues or to stand firm in our convictions. The stories of these martyrs illustrate that true integrity demands we reject any participation in moral wrongs.

    • St. Thomas More: He stood against King Henry VIII’s demand to renounce the Pope, leading to his execution. More’s unwavering conviction resonates today, challenging us to consider whether voting for a candidate, like Trump, who fails to uphold the sanctity of life due to his stance on abortion, aligns with our Catholic principles. He famously stated, “I die the King’s good servant, but God’s first,” emphasizing that faith must prevail over worldly authority. [St. Thomas More was asked to give public approval of Henry's adultery. No one voting for Trump is giving approval of any sort of sin.]
    • St. Joan of Arc: Captured and faced with the choice to recant her divine visions, she chose death rather than betrayal. This calls to mind the moral implications of voting for candidates whose policies may promote intrinsic evils. By supporting those who compromise on life issues, are we not abandoning our faith just as Joan might have abandoned hers? [No. The relevance of this example escapes me entirely.]
    • St. Polycarp: Refusing to renounce Christ, he declared, “Away with the atheists!” before his martyrdom. His example urges us to consider the repercussions of our political choices: can we align ourselves with a candidate who endorses practices fundamentally opposed to our faith? [Irrelevant.]
    • St. Lawrence: Executed for defying a demand to surrender the Church’s treasures, he chose to present the poor instead, reminding us that moral choices often come with consequences. In a political arena where candidates may only represent a fraction of our values, we must question if our vote further legitimizes a system that opposes our beliefs. [A vote does not legitimize anything. It selects a candidate.]
    • St. Sebastian: He courageously confronted the emperor, leading to his martyrdom. His actions exemplify the need to resist evil and uphold truth, urging us to reject candidates like hαɾɾιs or Trump who may represent a lesser evil but still compromise our Catholic convictions. [St. Sebastian was put to death for being Catholic. Trump has not put anyone to death for being Catholic.]
    • These examples illustrate a crucial lesson: when faced with moral choices, including the upcoming election, we must choose to uphold our faith over political expediency. The martyrs remind us that the integrity of our beliefs cannot be sacrificed for any candidate, regardless of how they may compare to another.

    As we prepare to make decisions at the polls, let us remember the sacrifices made by these saints and martyrs. Their lives exemplify the steadfastness required to navigate the murky waters of modern politics. [It's not murky at all. One of two people will be president. One of them is worse than the other. Voting for the less bad one decreases the chances that the worse one will win. Voting is free and takes almost no time to do. Since voting and an election are a zero-sum game, anything that decreases the odds of one side winning increases the other side's odds by the same amount. People who can vote for the better candidate and do not are making it easier for the worse one to win.]

    In light of this, we must consider whether voting for a morally compromised candidate, whether Trump or hαɾɾιs, aligns with the teachings of our faith. We cannot allow ourselves to be drawn into a cycle of justifying moral failures for perceived political gain. [I have, and it does. Our faith teaches that we can vote for a bad candidate if doing so is necessary to prevent a worse one from being elected, and even must do so if our vote might affect the outcome. Docuмentation on this has been provided countless times on this forum already.]


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  • Father Ruis, Father Hewko have said Catholics can not vote for either hαɾɾιs or Trump.
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    Can you please provide a link?

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  • Father Ruis, Father Hewko have said Catholics can not vote for either hαɾɾιs or Trump.
    Who is the Bishop they use for confirmations?  What does he say?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Can you please provide a link?

    Provided this in another post: Just off the top of my head here are a few, but for the past few weeks he has brought it up in almost every sermon or every other at the very least:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8trgJE6lE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvp01UPjkBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG5ULGUj6LA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYiABAfOohY


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  • Who is the Bishop they use for confirmations?  What does he say?
    Which Bishops? Most if not all are silent on error or have compromised in someway with V2.

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  • Which Bishops? Most if not all are silent on error or have compromised in someway with V2.
    I believe Gray is referring to the Traditional bishop that Fr Hewko uses for confirmations, not NO bishops.  What does he say about voting? I'm not familiar with the SSPX/Resistance.  Is he connected with Bishop Williamson?

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  • I believe Gray is referring to the Traditional bishop that Fr Hewko uses for confirmations, not NO bishops.  What does he say about voting? I'm not familiar with the SSPX/Resistance.  Is he connected with Bishop Williamson?
    I am referring to "Traditional Bishops"


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  • I am referring to "Traditional Bishops"
    So Fr Hewko doesn't have a bishop that he works with, gets oils from, has confirmations done?

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  • So Fr Hewko doesn't have a bishop that he works with, gets oils from, has confirmations done?
    Why don't you reach out to him and ask? He is always available by phone and email it seems and answers literally every question you can throw at him. I would not want to speak for him.

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  • I have not mentioned in this in any of my posts but I love you all and deeply care about your soul, actually I love my enemies as well even though it is very hard to sometimes.

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  • I have not mentioned in this in any of my posts but I love you all and deeply care about your soul, actually I love my enemies as well even though it is very hard to sometimes.
    Thank you M.
    I too pray for everyone here on CI and on another trad forum I go to.
    I especially pray for the Jєωs, satanists, globalists, Communists and others who aggravate me.
    May God Bless You

    p.s. I'm really struggling to pray for Fauchi, since family members have been seriously damaged by the CCP vaxx. Please pray for me.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary