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The Jews were given Israel by God himself
« on: March 01, 2018, 03:03:43 PM »
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  • The Jews were led to the land of Canaan by God himself through Abraham

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 04:11:48 PM »
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  • Two different Jews, those who God chose are those who did not choose God.  And those like Our Mother who knew their prophecies and knew Christ and went New Testament.  Those Jews who choose to stay Old Testament, do not recognize Christ or the Father.    Which Jew are you referring to?  Old Testament?


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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 04:21:18 PM »
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  • The International Jew - The World's Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford

    All 4 Volumes:

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Intl_Jew_full_version/ijtoc_.htm

    same writing, different citation

    https://archive.org/stream/TheInternationalJewTheWorldsForemostProblemhenryFord1920s#page/n0/mode/2up




    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 04:51:51 PM »
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  • The Jews were led to the land of Canaan by God himself through Abraham
    Which is why it belongs to Catholics.  
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 11:03:12 PM »
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  • I am starting to think that many here on CI lately, would greatly benefit from reading one of the most important Fathers of the Church, St. John Chrysostom, "the Golden Mouthed", Adversus Judaeos:


    http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/chrysostom_adversus_judaeos_01_homily1.htm
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 02:17:41 PM »
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  • Many have blamed The Gospel's portrayal of Jews for The h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Of course, many think The h0Ɩ0cαųst is a creation of war time propaganda and not real history.  

    "Adversus Judaeos (Greek Kata Ioudaiōn, "against the Jews" or "against the Judeans") are a series of fourth century homilies by John Chrysostom directed to members of the church of Antioch of his time, who continued to observe Jєωιѕн feasts and fasts. Critical of this, he cast Judaism and the ѕуηαgσgυєs in his city in a critical and negative light.

    There are modern scholars who claim that an abuse of his preaching fed later Christian anti-Semitism, and some, such as Stephen Katz, go even further, saying it was an inspiration for pagan nαzι anti-semitism with its evil fruit of the programme to annihilate the Jєωιѕн race. Indeed, during World War II, the nαzι Party in Germany abused his homilies, quoting and reprinting them frequently in an attempt to legitimize the h0Ɩ0cαųst in the eyes of German and Austrian Christians.[1][2] Christian priest James Parkes called the writing on Jews "the most horrible and violent denunciations of Judaism to be found in the writings of a Christian theologian".[3] According to historian William I. Brustein, his sermons against Jews gave further momentum to the idea that Jews are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus.[4]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adversus_Judaeos

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 01:20:38 PM »
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  • Two different Jews, those who God chose are those who did not choose God.  And those like Our Mother who knew their prophecies and knew Christ and went New Testament.  Those Jews who choose to stay Old Testament, do not recognize Christ or the Father.    Which Jew are you referring to?  Old Testament?
    The Jєωιѕн people generally.
    True, I do not like those who refuse to accept Christ, even knowing that he is or probably is their Savior. That is the unforgivable sin, essentially. .. doing that until the End (death))

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2018, 01:26:50 PM »
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  • Many have blamed The Gospel's portrayal of Jews for The h0Ɩ0cαųst.  Of course, many think The h0Ɩ0cαųst is a creation of war time propaganda and not real history.  

    "Adversus Judaeos (Greek Kata Ioudaiōn, "against the Jews" or "against the Judeans") are a series of fourth century homilies by John Chrysostom directed to members of the church of Antioch of his time, who continued to observe Jєωιѕн feasts and fasts. Critical of this, he cast Judaism and the ѕуηαgσgυєs in his city in a critical and negative light.

    There are modern scholars who claim that an abuse of his preaching fed later Christian anti-Semitism, and some, such as Stephen Katz, go even further, saying it was an inspiration for pagan nαzι anti-semitism with its evil fruit of the programme to annihilate the Jєωιѕн race. Indeed, during World War II, the nαzι Party in Germany abused his homilies, quoting and reprinting them frequently in an attempt to legitimize the h0Ɩ0cαųst in the eyes of German and Austrian Christians.[1][2] Christian priest James Parkes called the writing on Jews "the most horrible and violent denunciations of Judaism to be found in the writings of a Christian theologian".[3] According to historian William I. Brustein, his sermons against Jews gave further momentum to the idea that Jews are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus.[4]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adversus_Judaeos
    Looking to learn history from Wiki or from doing a Google search will always provide the Jews perspective. The person they blame first and foremost for the blamed WWII Jєωιѕн deaths, the  #1 "αnтι-ѕємιтє, is Jesus Christ. Study Catholicism.

      39  They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. 40  But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the
    truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not. 41  You do the works of your father....
     44  You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 47  He that is of God heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God. 49  Jesus answered: I have not a devil: but I honour my Father. And you have dishonoured me. 59  They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. (John 8)
     
    35  That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed
    36  Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this, generation. 37  Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have
    gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldst not? 38  Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. 39  For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Mathew 23)9  I know thy tribulation and thy poverty: but thou art rich. And thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
    (Apocalypse 2)
     
    8  I know thy works. Behold, I have given before thee a door opened, which no man can shut: because thou hast a little strength and hast kept my word and hast not denied my name. 9  Behold, I will bring of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them
    to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee. (Apoc 3)
     
    9  Now there arose some, of that which is called the ѕуηαgσgυє of the Libertines and of the Cyrenians and of the Alexandrians and of them that were of Cilicia and Asia, disputing with Stephen. (Acts 6)
    51  You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost. As your fathers did, so do you also.
     
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #8 on: March 03, 2018, 01:33:18 PM »
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  • The US is justified in defending Israel and helping Israel

    not only bc of [title of thread] but bc Israel is the only democracy in that part of the world, surrounded by terrorists who attack all the time.

    Everyone should read the book called A Time to Betray.. the author talks against nearly all countries and how they have helped the sick terrorists who want to kill everyone who doesn't believe as they do... 

    This author was in Iran... during the cινιℓ ωαr.. spied for the US.. even though didn't agree w/ all US policies.. very very interesting

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2018, 03:39:15 AM »
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  • Looking to learn history from Wiki or from doing a Google search will always provide the Jews perspective. The person they blame first and foremost for the blamed WWII Jєωιѕн deaths, the  #1 "αnтι-ѕємιтє, is Jesus Christ. Study Catholicism.

     39  They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. 40  But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the
    truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not. 41  You do the works of your father....
    44  You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 47 He that is of God heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God. 49  Jesus answered: I have not a devil: but I honour my Father. And you have dishonoured me. 59  They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. (John 8)
     
    35  That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed
    36  Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this, generation. 37  Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have
    gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldst not? 38  Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. 39  For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Mathew 23)9  I know thy tribulation and thy poverty: but thou art rich. And thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
    (Apocalypse 2)
     
    8  I know thy works. Behold, I have given before thee a door opened, which no man can shut: because thou hast a little strength and hast kept my word and hast not denied my name. 9  Behold, I will bring of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie. Behold, I will make them
    to come and adore before thy feet. And they shall know that I have loved thee. (Apoc 3)
     
    9  Now there arose some, of that which is called the ѕуηαgσgυє of the Libertines and of the Cyrenians and of the Alexandrians and of them that were of Cilicia and Asia, disputing with Stephen. (Acts 6)
    51  You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost. As your fathers did, so do you also.
     
    Oh, I think you misunderstood, that was the point of the post:  to illustrate the mainstream view on the topic, not to teach history.  I thought that Wikipedia's article did a good job of doing just that!  And of course, the mainstream view is the Jєωιѕн view, since they control the mass media in America.  

    Here's one more verse for you list:

    "And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree, "

    http://biblehub.com/romans/11-17.htm

    In other words, Jews who rejected Christ are broken off from The Covenant and Christians have replaced them.  Of course, that belief is contrary to what Jews believe is good for them.  So, they try to brainwash Christians into feeling guilty for taking their place.  Which is what I think is the primary motivation for Jews promoting what appears to be, the myth of The h0Ɩ0cαųst.  And Graceseeker seems to have bought into that, hook line and sinker.  

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 04:37:26 AM »
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  • The Jews were led to the land of Canaan by God himself through Abraham
    What about those Jews who became Christian?


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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 11:09:15 AM »
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  • What about those Jews who became Christian?
    well, the Word tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelivers
    Therefroe, Chritians should generally live (closely) with only Christians. But of course, if you take that to its logical conclusion, you may have to get out of the world altogether... which some day, Thank God, we will, as long as we keep Faith. But that is the point
    it is virtually impossible to keep Faith when you are always and forever around non-Believers.. .

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 11:35:30 PM »
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  • well, the Word tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelivers
    Therefroe, Chritians should generally live (closely) with only Christians. But of course, if you take that to its logical conclusion, you may have to get out of the world altogether... which some day, Thank God, we will, as long as we keep Faith. But that is the point
    it is virtually impossible to keep Faith when you are always and forever around non-Believers.. .
    Would the term non-believer refer to the Jews who run that country?

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #13 on: March 06, 2018, 11:02:04 AM »
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  • Would the term non-believer refer to the Jews who run that country?
    in a sense Jews already believe in Jesus w/o fully realizing it
    Jesus quoted the Old Testament which they adhere to
    Jesus was predicted in their Old T
    It can be presumed that many Jews do wonder, at least... whether Jesus is the Messiah they wait for
    They have formed the only democracy in that area of the world... and they treat even their enemies in their hospitals... That is a very Christian thing, that even a lot of Christians do not do..

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    Re: The Jews were given Israel by God himself
    « Reply #14 on: March 07, 2018, 04:08:52 AM »
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  • "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


     

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