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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Dylan on July 21, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
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I was wondering what others here think about the prophecies of the Great Catholic Monarch.
I've heard people say that these are "false prophecies" and "contradict the Bible about the Last Days".
Your thoughts?
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Considering that hundreds of saints have written prophesies about this figure, I wouldn't call them false prophesies as it would be akin to calling all those saints liars.
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I actually own the book "Catholic Prophecies" by Yves Dupont and I highly recommend it. But I have a hard time believing that the era of peace will be so short. I think Fr. Sylvester Berry is correct when he says it should last from 400-500 years.
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I haven't read the Yves DuPont book, but my mother has, and the way I understand it, the monarch's reign will only be about 35 years before the antichrist comes.
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The way I understand it is that it will take only 1 generation for mankind to fall back into the snares of the devil or anti-christ.
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Considering that hundreds of saints have written prophesies about this figure, I wouldn't call them false prophesies as it would be akin to calling all those saints liars.
That's what I thought as well but, I'm not too familiar with the subject myself.
Does anyone have any online resources about the Monarch? Also, how does the coming of the Monarch align with the time frame of the last days given in the Bible?
Thanks.
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Here is a sedevacantist link:
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm
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In terms of the Bible I believe there was a Saint who compared the churches in Apocalypse Chapter 2 to different time periods in the Church. (ie: The Church at Sardis is from 1517-the time of the great monarch.)
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Here is the full information it is by Ven. Bartholomew Holzauser:
Interpretatio Apocalypsis usque ad cap. XV, v. 5, 1784, Bamberg. It includes the seven ages of the Church:
Ephesus: status seminativus or the first age of the Church, from Christ and the Apostles to Pope Linus and Emperor Nero.
Smyrna: status irrigativus or the second age of the Church, the days of persecution.
Pergamum: status illuminativus or the third age of the Church, from Pope Sylvester to Leo III.
Thyatira: status pacifitcus or the fourth age of the Church from Leo III to Leo X.
Sardis: status afflictionis et purgativus or the fifth age of the Church, from Leo X to a strong ruler or grand monarch and a Holy Pope.
Philadelphia: status consolationis of the sixth age of the Church, from that Holy Pope to the rise of Antichrist.
Laodicea: status desolationis are the seventh and last age of the Church, from the rise of the Antichrist to the Second Comming.
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Here is a sedevacantist link:
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm
They are not sede vacant.
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Your thoughts?
If he is coming, I hope he arrives soon.
Truly, I believe the prophecies are legitimate, and we have already entered the period, painful though it will be, that will purify the world.
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This is speech Richard Ibranyi says that there will not be a universal conversion to Catholicism under the Great Monarch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4006185604141481067
Thoughts?
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I actually own the book "Catholic Prophecies" by Yves Dupont and I highly recommend it. But I have a hard time believing that the era of peace will be so short. I think Fr. Sylvester Berry is correct when he says it should last from 400-500 years.
No, it's easy to believe it will be short. People forget anything they haven't seen themselves.
People who were alive in during the (first) Great Depression are SO MUCH DIFFERENT from teenagers today. Look at how everything those people learned has already been lost. No matter how frugal, how holy, how down-to-earth, how hard-working they were, in only TWO GENERATIONS you have illiterate, lazy teenagers sitting in front of the TV/computer all day eating convenience food and scarcely knowing what work is.
Anything is possible after 50 years.
For another, more potent example, look at the Old Testament. No matter how fervently the Israelites came back to God, they always fell about 40 years later, because your parents can't learn a lesson FOR you.
Matthew
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Good point. The difference between our generation and the one that lived through the depression is almost polar opposite.
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I was wondering what others here think about the prophecies of the Great Catholic Monarch.
I've heard people say that these are "false prophecies" and "contradict the Bible about the Last Days".
Your thoughts?
There is the King and Chastisement some yrs prior to the Antichrist.does not contradict at all.......as others note in this thread, too many saints have talked about it to dismiss it.....
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I actually own the book "Catholic Prophecies" by Yves Dupont and I highly recommend it. But I have a hard time believing that the era of peace will be so short. I think Fr. Sylvester Berry is correct when he says it should last from 400-500 years.
I have the book too, good read-but will agree with Dupont, the time will be short, maybe 20 yrs or so after Chastisement, then the King and then Antichrist....nottoo much support have I seen for 400+ yrs
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Check out Richard Ibranyi's view that the Great Monarch is Jesus Christ.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4006185604141481067
I don't buy his interpretation of Fatima. It is interesting that that Catholic converts like Ibrenyi and Bishop Richard Williamson make the best Catholics. They were not crippled by the toxic baggage of 1870 Club Infallible in their formative years. They don't hesitate to choose biblical truth over Catholic authority structure when necessary.
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Oh yeah, thanks for all your commentary on my posting of this video.
um..ok, so your are a..Prot? Old Catholic???
Tell us who and what you are........your statements would reflect a fundamentalist Prot viewpoint..........
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I am pretty sure Classicom is an 'Old Catholic' but they seem to resemble protestantism/liberal Catholicism. All three oppose Fatima and Vatican I.
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I am pretty sure Classicom is an 'Old Catholic' but they seem to resemble protestantism/liberal Catholicism. All three oppose Fatima and Vatican I.
Gotcha, sounded like it...heretical, then?
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Good point. The difference between our generation and the one that lived through the depression is almost polar opposite.
the folks during depression had more common sense, faith and little-no debt...
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Don't try to put a label on me. I was born in 1953 and saw the Vatican I church at its American zenith in the 50's. By 1965 I told God this can't be the true faith. Vatican II turned true faith into some sort of sociology course. I stopped going to mass when I was 12. When I was in desperate need of help as a kid, I was told I had a heavy cross to bear (age 7) and that my family was not worthy (age 11). I have been searching ever since for the truth.
In the 80's , Bayside tricked me back into the Catholic world. (hense my suspicion of all things Marian) . Four months of intense bible reading delivered me to the traditional movement. 1986 Assisi came and I had to part with traditionalists. Because traditionalists did not take on Pope Paul II - that was the most damaging to my faith. They even trashed the escape hatch SSPX. I didn 't want any part of the anti Christ facade (ptomken church). The expression whitened sepulchres (Matt 23) comes to mind.
I am on my own now. I like the SSPX people and those here who are seeking the truth. For a label - how about the Catholic Church in exile. You tell me where to check in.
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Don't try to put a label on me.
was not trying, if you mean me.....
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I was interested in the prophecies regarding the Great Monarch. I had never heard about him or this era until I came to this forum. I don't see things getting better before they get much worse but God can do anything.
So where are things now in this unfolding of endtimes?
I know that the N.O. does not ever talk about it as I have seen nor have I ever heard about it during any of my early years as a preVII Catholic child.
It seems at least logical since the 2012 predictions will be getting much airtime that more will be talked about the apocalyptic prophecies of every kind.
I just don't want to be led down the wrong path as I see this could be an area for many false prophets to take advantage.
So, what needs to be known?
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Don't try to put a label on me. I was born in 1953 and saw the Vatican I church at its American zenith in the 50's. By 1965 I told God this can't be the true faith.
If you were born in '53, you'd probably not seen the Catholic Church in its zenith as modernism was already rampant at that time, especially in america.
Vatican II turned true faith into some sort of sociology course. I stopped going to mass when I was 12. When I was in desperate need of help as a kid, I was told I had a heavy cross to bear (age 7) and that my family was not worthy (age 11). I have been searching ever since for the truth.
You had a heavy cross to bear at age 7? Was it physical or spiritual? This sounds like the beginning of how many ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs speak when they 'tell their story'... I'm most definitely not calling you that, only I can't avoid the similarities...
What was your family not worthy of?
In the 80's , Bayside tricked me back into the Catholic world. (hense my suspicion of all things Marian) .
The Catholic Church has plenty of resources for you not to have any suspicion of true Marian apparitions.
Four months of intense bible reading delivered me to the traditional movement. 1986 Assisi came and I had to part with traditionalists. Because traditionalists did not take on Pope Paul II - that was the most damaging to my faith.
What would you liked the "Traditionalists" to have done? Do you believe you fully understand what they could and couldn't have done?
They even trashed the escape hatch SSPX. I didn 't want any part of the anti Christ facade (ptomken church). The expression whitened sepulchres (Matt 23) comes to mind. I am on my own now. I like the SSPX people and those here who are seeking the truth. For a label - how about the Catholic Church in exile. You tell me where to check in.
It sounds like you have a lack of faith and spiritual direction Classic. The Catholic Church in exile are the traditionalists of today. If I understand your situation correctly, from the little you've written of it, then I hope and pray you can realize that the sacraments are essential to the faith when available. I don't know that you do or don't receive them, but if you don't they are available from Catholic priests today.
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Will the French areas of North America play any role?
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Check out Richard Ibranyi's view that the Great Monarch is Jesus Christ.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4006185604141481067
I don't buy his interpretation of Fatima. It is interesting that that Catholic converts like Ibrenyi and Bishop Richard Williamson make the best Catholics. They were not crippled by the toxic baggage of 1870 Club Infallible in their formative years. They don't hesitate to choose biblical truth over Catholic authority structure when necessary.
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Oh yeah, thanks for all your commentary on my posting of this video.
Ibranyi says St. Aquinas is in Hell.... he's a nutcase & a half...
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I was interested in the prophecies regarding the Great Monarch...
So where are things now in this unfolding of endtimes?
Only God knows exactly where we are, but here is an excellent text (if you have not already read it) which deals with the subject:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4956324/Catholic-Prophecy
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Have you read the book written in Spanish " Garabandal: Hora X"? Those of you
who are intrigued by the prophecies of the Great Catholic Monarch, should get
this book. It is written in Spanish, but if you are able to read some Spanish, you
will get a very important insight on this subject and on the fact as who this
mysterious personnage is.
I hope this book will be translated into English and other languages, because it is
a MUST READ! In it you will get a clue of his name and of his ascendancy, which
seems to be Navarre,in Spain. Although the book clearly states that he does not
live in Spain. He has lived in complete poverty and the divine hand has caused
him to fail in many of his dreams and goals.
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Have you read the book written in Spanish " Garabandal: Hora X"? Those of you
who are intrigued by the prophecies of the Great Catholic Monarch, should get
this book. It is written in Spanish, but if you are able to read some Spanish, you
will get a very important insight on this subject and on the fact as who this
mysterious personnage is.
I hope this book will be translated into English and other languages, because it is
a MUST READ! In it you will get a clue of his name and of his ascendancy, which
seems to be Navarre,in Spain. Although the book clearly states that he does not
live in Spain. He has lived in complete poverty and the divine hand has caused
him to fail in many of his dreams and goals.
Do you still own this book? If so, can you cite the chapter(s) that deal with the subject? From what you can remember, how did the GCM come up in relation to Garabandal?
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The Great Monarch cannot be fully understood without being aware that the real sword in the stone is in Tuscany, Italy. The sword of St. Galgano is the legendary Excalibur on Earth. It is the fulfillment of two biblical passages....I did not come to bring peace, but a sword....I will turn their swords into plowshares... Sister Lucia of Fatima said that the secrets of Fatima had to do with the book of Revelations chapters 8-12. Chapter 10 is about the Great Monarch.
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The Great Monarch cannot be fully understood without being aware that the real sword in the stone is in Tuscany, Italy. The sword of St. Galgano is the legendary Excalibur on Earth. It is the fulfillment of two biblical passages....I did not come to bring peace, but a sword....I will turn their swords into plowshares... Sister Lucia of Fatima said that the secrets of Fatima had to do with the book of Revelations chapters 8-12. Chapter 10 is about the Great Monarch.
You really think so? The St. Galgano's sword is pretty cool, but I don't think it is an absolutely necessary component of GCM lore compared to his role in the restoration/era of peace. The Revelation 10 remark is an interesting one, though I'm not sure how you are applying it. Are you saying he is the unnamed angel? Because if you say that, there is a slight problem of how. I suppose God could grant certain angels some form of hypostatic union of angelic/human natures, but that's well beyond my pay grade. I've thought there might be a precedent set with saints like St. Vincent "Angel of the Last Judgement" Ferrer or with old testament entities such as the sons of God who fell in Genesis: though the traditional idea that these were born holy sons of Seth does not exactly contradict this notion either. Interesting topic, but a bit over the top and far afield for this subject.
This unnamed angel holds a number of similarities to other angelic beings: particularly the ones from Daniel 10 and Ezekiel 9. Then compare the terrible angelic rider from 2 Maccabees 3:25 to the first horseman in Revelation 6, to the mounted angel who appeared in 1900 to defend Donglu, China's most Catholic city and later the site of yet another miracle of the Sun in 1995.
Back to the GCM, I believe Chapter 12 is a much easier fit. Maybe the Angelic Shepherd is an even better choice on all counts. At least that's what I'm hoping next year's astronomical sign points to in some way.
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Tan pub. puts out a small book, "Catholic Prophecies" and this Monarch is mentioned.
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St. Therese of Lisiuex had a favorite book about prophesies which, if I remember correctly, mentions the Great Monarch and Holy Pope who are supposed to reign near the end of time, restore the fullness of the Faith and convert the Jєωs as an entire people.
The name of the book for anyone interested is, "The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life."
https://www.amazon.com/Present-World-Mysteries-Future-Life/dp/1933184388
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I've posted this prophecy before, but I just found a longer version, which deals with the Great Monarch:
"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night then there will dawn for the Christian nations the Great White Day. Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; All the tyrants shall be put out of God's Church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."
White Pope = Benedict. Still called 'pope', still wears white.
Black Pope = Francis. Only Jesuit pope ever. The head of the Jesuits has always been called the 'black pope' due to his power and influence in the world.
Great Lion = Holy Pope or Great Monarch. Since both will live during the same time period, whichever it refers to, corrobrates the other one being involved.
http://aronbengilad.blogspot.com/2013/03/white-pope-and-black-pope-benedict-and.html
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general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion
House Habsburg Coat of Arms
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Familienwappen_Habsburg-Stroehl.jpg/200px-Familienwappen_Habsburg-Stroehl.jpg)
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Isn't the Great Monarch supposed to be of French descent and a French royalty? I suppose he could have both French and Hapsburg connections...
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Isn't the Great Monarch supposed to be of French descent and a French royalty? I suppose he could have both French and Hapsburg connections...
Habsburgs hail from France. They also are the last surviving great house of Europe. And they had to be dethroned by the mass secular alliance in WW1. They never ruled a nation that wasn't Catholic and every Habsburg Emperor has been crowned by a Pope.
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Welp, that sounds like a match. Thanks for the info.
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Isn't the Great Monarch supposed to be of French descent and a French royalty? I suppose he could have both French and Hapsburg connections...
Habsburgs hail from France. They also are the last surviving great house of Europe. And they had to be dethroned by the mass secular alliance in WW1. They never ruled a nation that wasn't Catholic and every Habsburg Emperor has been crowned by a Pope.
Actually, not every Habsburg was crowned by a Pope. The last one was of Charles V by Clement VII in the church of St. Petronius in Bologna in 1530. The anniversary of which is next month.
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I know crackpot Ron Conte made a big deal out of Ferdinand Zvonimir von Habsburg, but he does look the part! Apparently his family has heard of the connection and even teased him about it on social media:
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Specifically, here's the tweet from one of his cousins, Hungarian Ambassador to the Vatican Eduardo Habsburg put out in response to the image:
https://twitter.com/eduardhabsburg/status/634950220971941888
"Will you?"
Gotta love it!
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I do not think he is a literal angel, but a messenger....the message in the life of st. Galgano is a message for the church and the world. That message is not unlike the messages of fatima and brings to mind the angel with the flaming sword. Penance, penance , penance...
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Also ron comte is wrong about the kid prince because prophecy says that the great monarch will be a very poor man. When you consider the role of excalibur in the apocolypse it would be fitting that the dignity of the great monarch will be hidden as was arthurs...I would say instead of looking for him amongst the nobels you should seek him in every poor person you meet.
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Also ron comte is wrong about the kid prince because prophecy says that the great monarch will be a very poor man. When you consider the role of excalibur in the apocolypse it would be fitting that the dignity of the great monarch will be hidden as was arthurs...I would say instead of looking for him amongst the nobels you should seek him in every poor person you meet.
Some people say that the young dauphin of France escaped the during the French Revolution, and that his descendants have been living in hiding ever since waiting for the right time to step up...
Whether it is true or not, I do not know...
Yet, it would account for the great monarch being poor...
In fact, I wrote a short fictional story about this recently. (It took a lot of research to make it plausible) Here is a link if you are interested:
http://catholicpoemsandstories.blogspot.com/2016/04/the-restoration-of-catholic-church.html
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Since Matthew just referenced this thread, here's a few items of interest:
Author E.A. Bucchianeri has made a few facebook pages related to the subject, most recently this one:
https://www.facebook.com/GreatCatholicMonarchAngelicPontiffProphecies/
bear in mind she has a fairly unique view of who the Monarch is (a resurrected Henri d'Artois):
https://www.facebook.com/GreatCatholicMonarchHenriV/
bases it mostly off of the Marie Julie Jahenny prophecies:
https://marie-juliejahenny.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_27.html
Here's a link to a collection of Last Roman Emperor prophecies from the Eastern tradition:
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/the-anonymous-paraphrase/
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"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night then there will dawn for the Christian nations the Great White Day. Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; All the tyrants shall be put out of God's Church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."
Most interesting. Will have to definitely keep this in mind over the next few years. Francis has a very deep crease/furrow in that ear lope of his (see picture below of the ear lope on his left side) and is getting as rotund as JXXIII. Usually means the heart is soon to go. ~3 to 4 years. Ex-Pope Benedict is 92 on April 19th. Yup it is shaping up to be a real barn burner early to mid 2020's.
(https://onepeterfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/pope-francis-1784304_1280.jpg)
Francis will be finding out quite soon that his belief that there is no hell for unrepentant sinners is false. But alas it will be too late. One's fate is sealed at one's particular judgment.
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Yup it is shaping up to be a real barn burner early to mid 2020's.
Totally agree. Here's some added info on that prophecy:
"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night then there will dawn for the Christian nations the Great White Day. Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; All the tyrants shall be put out of God's Church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."
White Pope = Benedict. Still called 'pope', still wears white.
Black Pope = Francis. Only Jesuit pope ever. The head of the Jesuits has always been called the 'black pope' due to his power and influence in the world.
Great Lion = Probably the Great Monarch, who will work together with the prophecized Holy Pope to restore the Church.
City of Philosophers = Naples, Italy
Lombardy = Milan, a financial center of Italy, which has 2 tall financial skyscrapers (i.e. towers of joy).
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Here is the full information it is by Ven. Bartholomew Holzauser:
Interpretatio Apocalypsis usque ad cap. XV, v. 5, 1784, Bamberg. It includes the seven ages of the Church:
Ephesus: status seminativus or the first age of the Church, from Christ and the Apostles to Pope Linus and Emperor Nero.
Smyrna: status irrigativus or the second age of the Church, the days of persecution.
Pergamum: status illuminativus or the third age of the Church, from Pope Sylvester to Leo III.
Thyatira: status pacifitcus or the fourth age of the Church from Leo III to Leo X.
Sardis: status afflictionis et purgativus or the fifth age of the Church, from Leo X to a strong ruler or grand monarch and a Holy Pope.
Philadelphia: status consolationis of the sixth age of the Church, from that Holy Pope to the rise of Antichrist.
Laodicea: status desolationis are the seventh and last age of the Church, from the rise of the Antichrist to the Second Comming.
Do you think the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is the same time as the time of the Monarch?
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Totally agree. Here's some added info on that prophecy:
"When the White Pope and the Black Pope shall die during the same night then there will dawn for the Christian nations the Great White Day. Woe unto the City of Philosophers, woe unto Lombardy for thy towers of joy shall be broken down; All the tyrants shall be put out of God's Church, and there shall occur a general conversion to the faith of Christ under the Great Lion."
White Pope = Benedict. Still called 'pope', still wears white.
Black Pope = Francis. Only Jesuit pope ever. The head of the Jesuits has always been called the 'black pope' due to his power and influence in the world.
Great Lion = Probably the Great Monarch, who will work together with the prophecized Holy Pope to restore the Church.
City of Philosophers = Naples, Italy
Lombardy = Milan, a financial center of Italy, which has 2 tall financial skyscrapers (i.e. towers of joy).
I never thought it would be necessary to explain to anyone besides Prots but There is NO SUCH THING as a 'Black Pope'-- complete mythology. And BTW-- The anti-pope Frank is an imposter who is neither Catholic, a Jesuit or the Pope. :cheers:
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Do you think the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is the same time as the time of the Monarch?
Yes I believe the catholic monarch will help usher in the period of peace, though it will require war and battles because the popes have waited too long to consecrate Russia and there are consequences for delaying good actions (as we all know from personal experience). The Holy Pope is supposed to consecrate the monarch as king of France (after France turns back to the Faith following violent social chaos). During the final battles where the good guys are outnumbered, the 3 days of darkness happens, causing most of the evil men in the world to die. What follows is the conversion of most men on earth, the return of the Church to normalcy/orthodoxy and a return of the Holy Roman Empire. This is the period of peace, the Age of Mary, the 6th age of the Church.
I never thought it would be necessary to explain to anyone besides Prots but There is NO SUCH THING as a 'Black Pope'-- complete mythology. And BTW-- The anti-pope Frank is an imposter who is neither Catholic, a Jesuit or the Pope. (https://www.cathinfo.com/Smileys/classic/cheers.gif)
It’s just a term, bro. Just because it’s not theologically correct doesn’t mean the term is without meaning. If most people understand a term to mean the same thing then such meaning is valid, in a social sense. Prophecies use all kinds of meanings to convey their message, which is why they are hard to decipher.
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Thanks for reply but it's not just a term because it is not accurate. Possibly you are confusing w/ Papal Black Nobility( which is descended from the Geulphs) and does actually exist. In addition to being obsessed w/ the mythology of the Jesuit Black Pope, Prots have no idea that the Papal Black Nobility & Venetian(Sabbatian) Black Nobility are 2 different things. :cheers:
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It’s a historical term which has been around for a long time. Therefore it has a meaning, to the common man.
For example, it is a fact that Napoleon was 5’ 9” tall. However the media in his day slandered him and made fun of him being “super short”. If anyone nowadays is said to have a “Napoleon complex”, most people will picture a short, angry guy even though, IN FACT, Napoleon wasn’t short, nor angry.
In the same way, it is known in common opinion that the head of the jesuits was called the “black pope” by Protestants. Therefore, most people know this nickname and it’s part of common knowledge...even if not historically accurate.
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Yup it is shaping up to be a real barn burner early to mid 2020's.
Sorry to bump so old a thread, but I was curious about that prophecy mentioned on another thread, and came upon this. And I thought, speaking of prophecy....