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The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
« on: March 20, 2020, 04:16:11 PM »
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    The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    Ron Paul Wed, Mar 18, 2020 | 600 words 7,598  226





    Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.
    It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.
    Dr. Anthony Fauci, coronavirus fearmonger-in-chief
    Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.
    State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.

    The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.

    On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.” He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.
    Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over this?
    If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.
    The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

    People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

    That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2020, 06:49:58 PM »
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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2020, 06:55:46 PM »
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  • At the moment, in Italy there are about 45k cases and 4k deaths.  If you extrapolate that to 60 million you have over 5 million dead.  Yes, the media is hyping it but obviously this is truly a dangerous virus with the potential to take a lot of lives.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2020, 07:07:19 PM »
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  • It's true that politicians are taking advantage of the crisis, but you can't say it's a hoax, it's a real threat - unlike man made climate change.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2020, 07:11:50 PM »
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  • At the moment, in Italy there are about 45k cases and 4k deaths. 
    How certain is anyone that the deaths were primarily a result of Covid-19?  I tend to doubt the thoroughness of any autopsies that may be taking place at the moment.
    Considering the insanely disproportionate response, I have a very hard time accepting the legitimacy of any numbers shared via the MSM.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2020, 07:15:57 PM »
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  • It's been proven that we can't beieve ANY media or governmental information. Why are we believing these "statistics", even Italian?If they told you there were 40,000  deaths today , would you believe it? We can never know what's real and what isn't. I know it's difficult to be in the dark, but we can't put any faith in what they are telling us. I'm not saying it's all lies, but I'm not saying it isn't.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #6 on: March 20, 2020, 07:38:08 PM »
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  • It's been proven that we can't beieve ANY media or governmental information. Why are we believing these "statistics", even Italian?If they told you there were 40,000  deaths today , would you believe it? We can never know what's real and what isn't. I know it's difficult to be in the dark, but we can't put any faith in what they are telling us. I'm not saying it's all lies, but I'm not saying it isn't.

    I take it you're in the medical field (as is Ron Paul)? Are there specialists who understand this virus who disagree with the science establishment?

    As for the bolded, we can know that Jews run the West. Which is why we feel that we can never know what's real and what isn't. They love smoke and mirrors.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #7 on: March 20, 2020, 08:11:46 PM »
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  • My cousin is a respiratory therapist in Boston, MA and she is reporting that they are extremely busy.  Only one death so far in MA but this virus is definitely real.  A coworker in NJ has a friend who came down with it.  The friend's wife also got it.  And they both reported that it was very painful.  We don't know enough about the mortality because it is early.  But the R0 (Rate of Infection) sure looks high to me.  Two Italians visited a Biogen executive conference (about 175 people) and within 2-3 weeks 102 people who were either at the conference or who came in contact with someone at the conference were infected.  I've never heard of the flu spreading like that.  There is good reason to be cautious.  Also, if you are into unfounded conspiracy theories, why not entertain the idea that Russia/China/Iran are spreading rumors about China coronavirus being a hoax in order to destabilize the US?  If you can believe it is a hoax, why not believe the hoax is a hoax?  There would have to be many thousands of people involved in the hoax.  That really stretches credulity.  Also, if you are a betting man, consider the risk/reward outcomes.  If you believe it is a hoax and you don't do anything to protect yourself and your family, what do you gain?  Compared to the risk of as much as 1 out of every 10 members of your family dying, the reward doesn't seem that compelling.  Of course, if you are complaining about a hoax on CathInfo while offline you are loading up on toilet paper and N95 masks then you are just a pathetic hypocrite.


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #8 on: March 20, 2020, 08:35:44 PM »
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  • My cousin is a respiratory therapist in Boston, MA and she is reporting that they are extremely busy.  Only one death so far in MA but this virus is definitely real.
    My sister is a doctor whose specialty is infectious disease.  For my part, I am not doubting that the threat is real.  It seems pretty clear that Dr. Paul is also well aware this is serious. His problem is with the insanely disproportionate reaction and I tend to agree with him.  The economy is being destroyed and is unlikely to return in any sort of recognizable form.

    Considering how many people die on the roads and highways of the world, why does no one advocate outlawing motor vehicles of all kinds?  Because that would be unreasonable, despite the heavy price to be paid for the convenience of motorized travel.  
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2020, 08:36:28 PM »
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  • Zerohedge is not known to go along with American propaganda.  But Zerohedge is definitely taking the China coronavirus seriously.  The do occasionally also post some articles doubting the scale of the problem (e.g. Ron Paul's editorial) but for the most part they are accepting the numbers coming out of western countries as well as South Korea.  All those numbers point to a serious threat.  China on the other hand cannot be trusted.  There is at least one article on the doubtful information coming from the CCP (China govt).  In particular there is one report that as many as 8 million mobile phones have gone off the network in China in the past 3-4 months.  Where did they all go?  I doubt very much there are 8 million deaths in China but it does seem rather unlikely that China is completely in the clear.  I think they want everyone to think they are in the clear so that everyone can go back to work.  I also think that eventually, we will all have to go back to work also but everything will be different.  We will always be wearing masks and gloves and we will have very little contact with others.  No hugs & kisses, etc.  And we may have to accept that there will be hundreds of thousands more deaths every year in addition to the 50-80 thousand flu deaths every year.  Be patient.  I think we will know the true scale of the problem within a year.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2020, 08:40:33 PM »
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  • I am but I'm nobody special and don't claim to be. I don't have any particular inside track information, other than I didn't believe the media before and I have more reason not to believe them now. It seems too contrived to me. I do go into many different facilities and so far have not seen any reported cases, but I'm sure these populations were not tested either.The fact is that the PCR testing is at least 50% wrong in favor of a false positive result. There are multiple corona viruses that will show a positive result (common cold), and in fact most all viruses have components of a corona virus in them. This is not a specific test. There is a lot of misinformation and ambiguity that we are supposed to accept as fact , when it is blatantly not. They don't call it fake news for nothing.
    It seems that the "crushed glass" chest xrays that they are finding on younger COVID19 patients can be attributed to the contaminated vaping oils that the young adults have been using- they have been seeing this type of xray since the vaping crisis began 4 or 5 months ago.
     I'm not 100% sure it's not real, or to what degree it is real , but I'm very skeptical. I can't tell anyone what to believe, but I am amazed that more people aren't questioning what is being fed to them.


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2020, 08:44:54 PM »
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  • My sister is a doctor whose specialty is infectious disease.  For my part, I am not doubting that the threat is real.  It seems pretty clear that Dr. Paul is also well aware this is serious. His problem is with the insanely disproportionate reaction and I tend to agree with him.  The economy is being destroyed and is unlikely to return in any sort of recognizable form.

    Considering how many people die on the roads and highways of the world, why does no one advocate outlawing motor vehicles of all kinds?  Because that would be unreasonable, despite the heavy price to be paid for the convenience of motorized travel.  
    Yes, I agree.  There is a definite possibility that the cure is worse than the disease.  We may be forced to accept the higher risk of infection in order to save our economy.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2020, 08:54:43 PM »
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  • I heard that some company (3M?) is planning to ramp up production of N95 masks.  I heard the number 35 million.  But we are going to need hundreds of millions per year for the foreseeable future.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2020, 09:01:44 PM »
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  • "Of course, if you are complaining about a hoax on CathInfo while offline you are loading up on toilet paper and N95 masks then you are just a pathetic hypocrite."

    Actually I am a proceduralist and work in very close contact in sterile procedure with multiple patients a day in a wide range of facilities.
    I was given an N95 mask by my employer and to be truthful, my husband did buy a lot of toilet paper- go figure.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #14 on: March 21, 2020, 02:33:00 AM »
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  • It is indeed a disproportional reaction because neither the medical world nor political officials ever shut down the world when thousands die of many other viruses each year, for which (also) no cures exist, for which often the pathology and pathogenesis are not fully known but only guessed, and which are also highly contagious and virtually impossible to "contain."  (A good example is norovirus.)

    Somehow, thousands, even millions dying of influenza each year is tolerable, but the mere possibility of the same or less number dying of a new virus justifies near-martial-law.

    The rapid destruction of the First World economy will cause riots in the streets unlike any we have seen so far in our lifetimes.  And that is going to happen BEFORE a successful vaccine is ready to be released.