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Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2020, 01:03:01 PM »
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  • Is Italy’s death rate exaggerated?

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/report-italian-adviser-suggests-that-coronavirus-death-rates-in-italy-may-be-exaggerated/
    Not only that, why is it so ridiculously high and Germany right next door, espeically to the Lombardy region in Northern Italy so damn low?
    Ramz Paul give a very good analysis of this here;
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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #46 on: March 22, 2020, 02:13:34 PM »
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  • Also these important, politically incorrect, facts (copied from another forum):


    https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/20/why-italy/

    Main points from the article


    Italy has been ravaged by the Wuhan Coronavirus, but the reasons why are linked more closely to globalism than the age of the infected.
     
    Hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants now live both legally and illegally in Italy, with 300K legally registered and many more illegal.
     
    Italy recently entered into a new economic partnership with China called “One belt, One road”
     
    China has revitalized northern Italian ports in order to transport goods more efficiently to the rest of Europe
     
    The mayor of Florence initiated a social media campaign called “Hug a Chinese” using Chinese produced video as an engine to dispel the “racism” against the Chinese in Italy
     


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #47 on: March 22, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
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  • Also, comparing deaths (and copied from elsewhere):

    From RamZPaul on Twitter:

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    American deaths:

    2018 (all causes) - 2,839,205
    2018 from flu - 34,200
    1957 Asian Flu - 116,600
    1968 Hong Kong flu - 33,000
    2009 Swine flu - 13,000
    2020 Chinese virus - 349 (current)


    349 deaths are not a national emergency warranting destruction of the economy, and cases =/= deaths.
     

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #48 on: March 22, 2020, 02:49:50 PM »
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  • Italy recently entered into a new economic partnership with China called “One belt, One road”
     
    China has revitalized northern Italian ports in order to transport goods more efficiently to the rest of Europe
     
    The mayor of Florence initiated a social media campaign called “Hug a Chinese” using Chinese produced video as an engine to dispel the “racism” against the Chinese in Italy
    :facepalm: What a sorry mess, apparently intensified by greed and human respect.  Very sad.
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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #49 on: March 22, 2020, 03:59:32 PM »
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  • The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    Ron Paul Wed, Mar 18, 2020 | 600 words 7,598  226

    Senator Rand Paul tests positive for COVID19

    https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article241411336.html


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #50 on: March 22, 2020, 04:10:30 PM »
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  • Also, comparing deaths (and copied from elsewhere):

    From RamZPaul on Twitter:

    RAMZPAUL
    @ramzpaul
    American deaths:

    2018 (all causes) - 2,839,205
    2018 from flu - 34,200
    1957 Asian Flu - 116,600
    1968 Hong Kong flu - 33,000
    2009 Swine flu - 13,000
    2020 Chinese virus - 349 (current)


    349 deaths are not a national emergency warranting destruction of the economy, and cases =/= deaths.
     

    #1) the flu death numbers are all made up ... to promote the vax agenda.

    #2) it's not just about the deaths; it's about the hospitals filling up with ICU patients.

    People need to watch how it's playing out in Italy and Spain.  Italy is now averaging 600-700 deaths per day.  Project that to the U.S. with 7x the population of Italy, and you're talking 4000 per day, which translates to 120,000 per month, and close to 1.5 million in a year.  And Northern Italy has been locked down.

    This is a certainly a national emergency.

    That being said, I'm convinced this was released on purpose and is serving some larger agenda.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #51 on: March 22, 2020, 05:55:19 PM »
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  • It's true that politicians are taking advantage of the crisis, but you can't say it's a hoax, it's a real threat - unlike man made climate change.

    No, no it's not.


    https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/health/35-sources-the-covid19-corona-virus-is-over-hyped-and-likely-fraud/?fbclid=IwAR3WrtFaZENEybBF5GquAZ3atiniPlGVdAeYnHjxciUun8zRns3PU5ecxek

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #52 on: March 22, 2020, 06:02:54 PM »
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  • My cousin is a respiratory therapist in Boston, MA and she is reporting that they are extremely busy.  Only one death so far in MA but this virus is definitely real.  A coworker in NJ has a friend who came down with it.  The friend's wife also got it.  And they both reported that it was very painful.  We don't know enough about the mortality because it is early.  But the R0 (Rate of Infection) sure looks high to me.  Two Italians visited a Biogen executive conference (about 175 people) and within 2-3 weeks 102 people who were either at the conference or who came in contact with someone at the conference were infected.  I've never heard of the flu spreading like that.  There is good reason to be cautious.  Also, if you are into unfounded conspiracy theories, why not entertain the idea that Russia/China/Iran are spreading rumors about China coronavirus being a hoax in order to destabilize the US?  If you can believe it is a hoax, why not believe the hoax is a hoax?  There would have to be many thousands of people involved in the hoax.  That really stretches credulity.  Also, if you are a betting man, consider the risk/reward outcomes.  If you believe it is a hoax and you don't do anything to protect yourself and your family, what do you gain?  Compared to the risk of as much as 1 out of every 10 members of your family dying, the reward doesn't seem that compelling.  Of course, if you are complaining about a hoax on CathInfo while offline you are loading up on toilet paper and N95 masks then you are just a pathetic hypocrite.

    A hospital being busy does not necessarily mean that people have a new virus. It's all about the tests. See the link I posted above.


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #53 on: March 22, 2020, 08:07:52 PM »
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  • From ZeroHedge (edited slightly to reduce vulgarity and blasphemy)

    "S***, This Is Not The Flu": Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19... Even In Young Patients

    Authored by Lizzie Presser via ProPublica

    As of Friday, Louisiana was reporting 479 confirmed cases of COVID-19, one of the highest numbers in the country. Ten people had died. The majority of cases are in New Orleans, which now has one confirmed case for every 1,000 residents. New Orleans had held Mardi Gras celebrations just two weeks before its first patient, with more than a million revelers on its streets.

    I spoke to a respiratory therapist there, whose job is to ensure that patients are breathing well. He works in a medium-sized city hospital’s intensive care unit. (We are withholding his name and employer, as he fears retaliation.) Before the virus came to New Orleans, his days were pretty relaxed, nebulizing patients with asthma, adjusting oxygen tubes that run through the nose or, in the most severe cases, setting up and managing ventilators. His patients were usually older, with chronic health conditions and bad lungs.

    Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.

    His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.”

    He spoke to me by phone on Thursday about why, exactly, he has been so alarmed. His account has been condensed and edited for clarity.

    “Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”

        This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people.

    “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

        They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.

    “We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”

        The lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.

    “It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.

    “Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight. When you’re healthy, your lung is made up of little balloons. Like a tree is made out of a bunch of little leaves, the lung is made of little air sacs that are called the alveoli. When you breathe in, all of those little air sacs inflate, and they have capillaries in the walls, little blood vessels. The oxygen gets from the air in the lung into the blood so it can be carried around the body.

    “Typically with ARDS, the lungs become inflamed. It’s like inflammation anywhere: If you have a burn on your arm, the skin around it turns red from additional blood flow. The body is sending it additional nutrients to heal. The problem is, when that happens in your lungs, fluid and extra blood starts going to the lungs. Viruses can injure cells in the walls of the alveoli, so the fluid leaks into the alveoli. A telltale sign of ARDS in an X-ray is what’s called ‘ground glass opacity,’ like an old-fashioned ground glass privacy window in a shower. And lungs look that way because fluid is white on an X-ray, so the lung looks like white ground glass, or sometimes pure white, because the lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.”
    A screenshot of chest radiographs of a man suspected to have COVID-19. (Obtained by ProPublica via the Radiological Society of North America, cited in the paper “Severe Acute Respiratory Disease in a Huanan Seafood Market Worker: Images of an Early Casualty” by Lijuan Qian, Jie Yu and Heshui Shi.)

        This severity ... is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience ... or people who inhale caustic gas.

    “With our coronavirus patients, once they’re on ventilators, most need about the highest settings that we can do. About 90% oxygen, and 16 of PEEP, positive end-expiratory pressure, which keeps the lung inflated. This is nearly as high as I’ve ever seen. The level we’re at means we are running out of options.

    “In my experience, this severity of ARDS is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience — they have a bunch of dirty water in their lungs — or people who inhale caustic gas. Especially for it to have such an acute onset like that. I’ve never seen a microorganism or an infectious process cause such acute damage to the lungs so rapidly. That was what really shocked me.”

        You’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you ...

    “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, * s***, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning.

    “When someone has an infection, I’m used to seeing the normal colors you’d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because they’re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So we’re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.”

        I do not want to catch this.

    “Before this, we were all joking. It’s grim humor. If you are exposed to the virus and test positive and go on quarantine, you get paid. We were all joking: I want to get the coronavirus because then I get a paid vacation from work. And once I saw these patients with it, I was like, * s***, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this.

    “I worked a long stretch of days last week, and I watched it go from this novelty to a serious issue. We had one or two patients at our hospital, and then five to 10 patients, and then 20 patients. Every day, the intensity kept ratcheting up. More patients, and the patients themselves are starting to get sicker and sicker. When it first started, we all had tons of equipment, tons of supplies, and as we started getting more patients, we started to run out. They had to ration supplies. At first we were trying to use one mask per patient. Then it was just: You get one mask for positive patients, another mask for everyone else. And now it’s just: You get one mask.

    “I work 12-hour shifts. Right now, we are running about four times the number of ventilators than we normally have going. We have such a large volume of patients, but it’s really hard to find enough people to fill all the shifts. The caregiver-to-patient ratio has gone down, and you can’t spend as much time with each patient, you can’t adjust the vent settings as aggressively because you’re not going into the room as often. And we’re also trying to avoid going into the room as much as possible to reduce infection risk of staff and to conserve personal protective equipment.”

        Even if you survive ... it can also do long-lasting damage.

    “But we are trying to wean down the settings on the ventilator as much as possible, because you don’t want someone to be on the ventilator longer than they need to be. Your risk of mortality increases every day that you spend on a ventilator. The high pressures from high vent settings is pushing air into the lung and can overinflate those little balloons. They can pop. It can destroy the alveoli. Even if you survive ARDS, although some damage can heal, it can also do long-lasting damage to the lungs. They can get filled up with scar tissue. ARDS can lead to cognitive decline. Some people’s muscles waste away, and it takes them a long time to recover once they come off the ventilator.

    “There is a very real possibility that we might run out of ICU beds and at that point I don’t know what happens if patients get sick and need to be intubated and put on a ventilator. Is that person going to die because we don’t have the equipment to keep them alive? What if it goes on for months and dozens of people die because we don’t have the ventilators?

    “Hopefully we don’t get there, but if you only have one ventilator, and you have two patients, you’re going to have to go with the one who has a higher likelihood of surviving. And I’m afraid we’ll get to that point. I’ve heard that’s happening in Italy.”

    ***

    About This Story: The medical details in this story were vetted by an infectious disease doctor, a cardiologist and an internist at three different hospitals. All of the information about ARDS, the condition that the respiratory therapist describes, was fact-checked against peer-reviewed articles and UpToDate, a resource for physicians to check current standards in care, clinical features, and expected complications and outcomes.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #54 on: March 22, 2020, 08:28:54 PM »
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  • #1) the flu death numbers are all made up ... to promote the vax agenda.


    And yet you take the coronavirus death numbers at face value. Why is that?

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    It's No Hoax!/Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #55 on: March 22, 2020, 11:44:43 PM »
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  • One reason that people are so easily infected by the Chinese Coronavirus, a.k.a. CoVID-19, is because roughly 1/2 of the people who tested ‘positive’ as infected are asymptomatic, i.e., they do not show any flu-like symptoms, which means that otherwise effective "stay away" instincts of uninfected people fail to alert them to the danger.  Apparently, a greater fraction of asymptomatic infection occurs in young people.  This was suggested by Chinese medical staff with unexpected honesty who were using social media (primarily Twitter) to dodge Chinese censorship, but the stat was nailed down by credible on-going stats from S. Korea and the Princess cruise-ship.  Finally, germophobes can have the satisfaction of encountering a pathogen that really does remain infectious on surfaces, esp. hard smooth ones, for more than a week (e.g., door handles, stair & escalator rails, elevator buttons, ATM keyboards & touch-screens, and counter-tops).

    All those features are quite different, or so I've read, from ordinary influenza virus(es).  And all of this operates at a rate that's exponential in the middle stage of its spread [#] (e.g., in Italy or New York).

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    Note #: It actually follows the Gompertz formula, which is an unsymmetric refinement of the Malthusian sigmoid curve.  It's roughly the same as the curve that describes a population of predators when they enter an abundant and previously unutilized (a.k.a. virgin) population of prey.


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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #56 on: March 23, 2020, 12:15:37 AM »
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  • One particular trend I see emerging from the progression of the more severe cases is that it starts mildly, with even a brief reduction of symptoms before the ARDS (Acute Respitory Distress Syndrome) sets in. That matches with the stuff we were seeing in China with people were falling over and dying in the streets. 

    https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_bdc4e802-6b90-11ea-a747-832e94bc7f56.html

    And then we have folks who barely notice it. I really hate how wide the variety and intensity of these symptoms are. Sure the elderly and immune-compromised are always most at risk, but I certainly don't want to give it legs. 

    I'd rather err on caution on this one. We just don't have enough information on what to safely expect. Whether it's a "Plannedemic" or not, this thing is very real and fully capable of overwhelming our healthcare systems to the point of non-treatment and therefore creating a vastly increased mortality rate.  

    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #57 on: March 23, 2020, 02:46:11 AM »
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  • Senator Rand Paul tests positive for COVID19

    https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article241411336.html

    This guy posted the same pseudo-gotcha link on another thread. What follows here is the same as what I wrote in reply there.

    In common with other public figures, Rand Paul spends a great deal of time in large public gatherings. What's more, many of the people he is in contact with, almost certainly including the woman from whom he seems to have contracted the virus, are Chinese or East Asian in origin. So why the surprise that he has picked up the virus? Even more, what's the big deal?

    The simple fact is that the odds that Rand Paul will suffer effects more serious than those of the common cold are lower than 0.2 percent and the odds that he will fully recover in a week or less borders on 100 percent.

    Those hereabouts who are devotees of the Establishment narrative ought to look in the back of the closet for the Christian fortitude they tucked away heaven knows when. Once they find it and put it on, perhaps they'll stop cowering in a corner.

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #58 on: March 23, 2020, 06:16:01 AM »
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  • This guy posted the same pseudo-gotcha link on another thread. What follows here is the same as what I wrote in reply there.

    In common with other public figures, Rand Paul spends a great deal of time in large public gatherings. What's more, many of the people he is in contact with, almost certainly including the woman from whom he seems to have contracted the virus, are Chinese or East Asian in origin. So why the surprise that he has picked up the virus? Even more, what's the big deal?

    The simple fact is that the odds that Rand Paul will suffer effects more serious than those of the common cold are lower than 0.2 percent and the odds that he will fully recover in a week or less borders on 100 percent.

    Those hereabouts who are devotees of the Establishment narrative ought to look in the back of the closet for the Christian fortitude they tucked away heaven knows when. Once they find it and put it on, perhaps they'll stop cowering in a corner.
    I’m still being careful as I’m a germaphobe, but I like your post! 👍👍👍 Frankly, I’m much more afraid of the political aftermath.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The Coronavirus Hoax, by Ron Paul
    « Reply #59 on: March 23, 2020, 09:55:33 AM »
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  • I’m still being careful as I’m a germaphobe, but I like your post! 👍👍👍 Frankly, I’m much more afraid of the political aftermath.
    i have heard rumors about the AG  possibly suspending Habeus Corpus.Has anyone else seen that?