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Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2025, 12:08:07 PM »
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  • We don't know that for certain. That's the point. You were not inside his head. You can be spiritually attached to the true faith - baptism of desire, baptism of blood. Given he's public openness to Catholicism - put into public action - it is a definite indication that his belief system was changing. So we can hope. And therefore pray.
    So you believe there was a possibility of Kirk being a member of the Church while he was speaking at his event, prior to his death?
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #106 on: September 18, 2025, 12:09:32 PM »
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  • I said it was possible he died a martyr. I don't know. So no, I'm not backtracking.
    More lies. 


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #107 on: September 18, 2025, 12:32:53 PM »
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  • Fellow lovers of Christ. Christ is King.

    So in your beliefs, there is 0 chance Candace Owen’s and Charlie Kirk are ѕуηαgσgυє agents (whether by membership in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or other shell organizations)

    Therefore we need not to ask questions or look into it for ourselves?

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #108 on: September 18, 2025, 12:41:28 PM »
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  • So you believe there was a possibility of Kirk being a member of the Church while he was speaking at his event, prior to his death?

    It seems this boru person is inserting non Catholic antidoctrine into the forums after a very emotional and trauma inducing operation whether real or fake (I think it was staged, and Kirk was in on it, but regardless)

    And then continues to put trust in media personalities who seem to be a part of the indult Concilliar church etc. and seems to be certain that anyone questioning this event or the operatives she suggests are not operatives (Owen’s etc) whether they are or not, (again I would say they are) she is already positioning as if they are 100% NOT

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #109 on: September 18, 2025, 01:02:27 PM »
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  • When Catholics need to look to e-celebs for answers and commentary on their own faith [whether a "nominal" NO Catholic who subscribes to charlatans like Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin or a "true" Trad Catholic who subscribes to charlatans like Michael Matt and Taylor Marshall], it means that their own faith is dead inside themselves.

    If a Catholic is not spiritually content to simply pray and keep adhering to the faith without having to follow every little secular event that is part of our societal rot and without looking to those "outside" of the traditional clergy for answers or commentary on the rot, then that Catholic is completely misguided and they'll never be spiritually content.

    Catholics who follow the verbal diarrhea of secular e-celebs like Candace Owens, Jordan Petersen, PJ Watson, Mark Dice and Kike Weasel Shapiro seem to be giving credence to all of these charlatan grifters who only profit from societal rot and vicious social polarization. Do you think any of the above-mentioned e-celebs want things to get better? If anything, they want the rot and polarization to increase so people will keep listening to them and "subscribe" to them.

    On the other hand, Traditional clergy actually want things to get better and they want as many people as possible to adhere to the faith. If a Catholic is going to listen to anybody to get answers or commentary on the societal rot, who better to listen to than Traditional clergy? Forget all of these other secular e-celebs and always go with Trad clergy.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #110 on: September 18, 2025, 01:18:28 PM »
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  • Full video of Kirk on the Blessed Virgin:



    The snippet that has been making the rounds conveniently leaves out his DENIAL of Catholic dogma immediately proceeding what Boru termed Charlie "renouncing his Protestant views" or whatever


    What he actual thinks of the Blessed Virgin:


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    However I would say Catholicism goes way too far. Catholicism believes two things as dogma, and most Catholics, if you ask them this, some don't even know. Number one, do you believe that Mary was sinless? The Catholic Church does. There is no biblical basis for this, the only of which would be that Mary was full of grace, and the annunciation of Mary in Luke 1. That is a big stretch. By the way, that was not even added into official catholic dogma until the mid-1800s.

    There is a second form of Catholic dogma that's believed that Mary was assumed into heaven...again, that is a pure faith claim. It is not biblically supported at all, whatsoever.

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    I find biblical evidence to show that Mary was sinful like all the rest of us.

    ...

    I personally would not be able to enter into a faith that believes that anybody expect Jesus Christ our Lord was without sin.


    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #111 on: September 18, 2025, 04:44:40 PM »
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  • Full video of Kirk on the Blessed Virgin:



    The snippet that has been making the rounds conveniently leaves out his DENIAL of Catholic dogma immediately proceeding what Boru termed Charlie "renouncing his Protestant views" or whatever


    What he actual thinks of the Blessed Virgin:

    Despicable blasphemy from Charlie Kirk. Any Catholic who called him a martyr should repent and go to Confession.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #112 on: September 18, 2025, 06:31:38 PM »
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  • So in your beliefs, there is 0 chance Candace Owen’s and Charlie Kirk are ѕуηαgσgυє agents (whether by membership in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, or other shell organizations)

    Therefore we need not to ask questions or look into it for ourselves?
    Knock yourself out. Just don't accuse as a fact without hard core evidence. Yeah, 0-chance - I don't believe they are ѕуηαgσgυє agents in any shape or form but then I don't believe everyone (other than the Cathinfo elites of course) are Freemasons like you do.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #113 on: September 18, 2025, 06:45:33 PM »
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  • Knock yourself out. Just don't accuse as a fact without hard core evidence. Yeah, 0-chance - I don't believe they are ѕуηαgσgυє agents in any shape or form but then I don't believe everyone (other than the Cathinfo elites of course) are Freemasons like you do.

    I do appreciate your honesty, thank you for showing your “teeth” so to speak.

    I am not sure if your intentions whether you are a lost soul or what, but you are a wolf, intended or not.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #114 on: September 18, 2025, 06:50:47 PM »
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  • Knock yourself out. Just don't accuse as a fact without hard core evidence. Yeah, 0-chance - I don't believe they are ѕуηαgσgυє agents in any shape or form but then I don't believe everyone (other than the Cathinfo elites of course) are Freemasons like you do.

    Boru, did you listen to the full video of Kirk blaspheming the Church and Our Lady? Do you still think his words indicate that he was on the path to conversion?


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #115 on: September 18, 2025, 08:35:30 PM »
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  • Full video of Kirk on the Blessed Virgin:



    The snippet that has been making the rounds conveniently leaves out his DENIAL of Catholic dogma immediately proceeding what Boru termed Charlie "renouncing his Protestant views" or whatever


    What he actual thinks of the Blessed Virgin:

    Ok, I finally got the link to play for me - seems to have freed up once midnight passed. Firstly, you are correct, this video should not have been doing the rounds without the whole message. I don't like that either. That said, I am not scandalized by his comments nor consider them "blasphemy" (meaning contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity). I'm a convert myself, and I know how difficult it is to wrap your head around certain Catholic beliefs. They seem obvious to us as Catholics, but when you have been brought up differently - sola scripture - it can be difficult. It is interesting to notice though how direct and matter of fact and respectful he is about Catholicism - he lists three things that prevent him from embracing Catholicism: Papal infallibility, Mariology (Immaculate Conception/Assumption), and (to a lesser degree) transubstantiation; three very difficult concept to digest if you haven't been brought up with them. He says he cannot find scriptural evidence for these beliefs but ends with saying he is open to debate and has great respect for Catholics. This was all said, according to when the video was posted, one month ago.

    Certainly he has not renounced protestantism at this point. However, there is still a noticeable shift towards Our Lady that grows as the weeks go by. His whole demeanor is not hostile, he is simply not yet convinced. I still believe it is possible that such an open soul died with the desire to be united to the true faith. It took seconds for me to embrace transubstantiation and become on fire for the Catholic faith. I was listening to a sermon on the topic when suddenly a wave of complete understanding elevated my mind. I went from believing to it being a memorial meal to KNOWING it was truly Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity. It was mind-blowing and changed my life. So yes, I still believe that anyone saying the rosary every day is not damned. Conversion can happen in an instance if you are open to it.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #116 on: September 18, 2025, 09:02:45 PM »
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  • Fantastic breakdown, over an hour long, I will keep posting any good reporting on this staged event:


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #117 on: September 18, 2025, 09:12:45 PM »
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  • Ok, I finally got the link to play for me - seems to have freed up once midnight passed. Firstly, you are correct, this video should not have been doing the rounds without the whole message. I don't like that either. That said, I am not scandalized by his comments nor consider them "blasphemy" (meaning contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity). I'm a convert myself, and I know how difficult it is to wrap your head around certain Catholic beliefs. They seem obvious to us as Catholics, but when you have been brought up differently - sola scripture - it can be difficult. It is interesting to notice though how direct and matter of fact and respectful he is about Catholicism - he lists three things that prevent him from embracing Catholicism: Papal infallibility, Mariology (Immaculate Conception/Assumption), and (to a lesser degree) transubstantiation; three very difficult concept to digest if you haven't been brought up with them. He says he cannot find scriptural evidence for these beliefs but ends with saying he is open to debate and has great respect for Catholics. This was all said, according to when the video was posted, one month ago.

    Certainly he has not renounced protestantism at this point. However, there is still a noticeable shift towards Our Lady that grows as the weeks go by. His whole demeanor is not hostile, he is simply not yet convinced. I still believe it is possible that such an open soul died with the desire to be united to the true faith. It took seconds for me to embrace transubstantiation and become on fire for the Catholic faith. I was listening to a sermon on the topic when suddenly a wave of complete understanding elevated my mind. I went from believing to it being a memorial meal to KNOWING it was truly Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity. It was mind-blowing and changed my life. So yes, I still believe that anyone saying the rosary every day is not damned. Conversion can happen in an instance if you are open to it.
    Kirk's own words, never publicly retracted, are, quite literally, damning evidence against him

    "I find biblical evidence to show that Mary was sinful like all the rest of us."

    "I personally would not be able to enter into a faith that believes that anybody expect Jesus Christ our Lord was without sin."

    The fanfic regarding Kirks interior life you have been conjuring up in your mind and polluting these threads with holds no weight against his own public words and actions

    Kirk's heretical views, publicly stated just one month ago:

    Denial of papal infallibility
    Denial of Immaculate Conception
    Denial of Our Lady's perpetual virginity
    Denial of Transubstantiation
    Denial of Our Lady's Assumption 

    Zero of these had been publicly retracted by the time Kirk was dead. If you believe there is "every possibility" of Kirk's salvation despite these facts, and even dare to suggest he is a "martyr", you do not actually believe there is no salvation outside the Church. You suggest it is possible that someone who could say such disgusting, heretical things about Our Lady has been saved without ever having retracted what he said. You make a mockery of God, the Church, and Our Lady. There is something seriously wrong with you
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #118 on: September 18, 2025, 09:18:08 PM »
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  • Ok, I finally got the link to play for me - seems to have freed up once midnight passed. Firstly, you are correct, this video should not have been doing the rounds without the whole message. I don't like that either. That said, I am not scandalized by his comments nor consider them "blasphemy" (meaning contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity). I'm a convert myself, and I know how difficult it is to wrap your head around certain Catholic beliefs. They seem obvious to us as Catholics, but when you have been brought up differently - sola scripture - it can be difficult. It is interesting to notice though how direct and matter of fact and respectful he is about Catholicism - he lists three things that prevent him from embracing Catholicism: Papal infallibility, Mariology (Immaculate Conception/Assumption), and (to a lesser degree) transubstantiation; three very difficult concept to digest if you haven't been brought up with them. He says he cannot find scriptural evidence for these beliefs but ends with saying he is open to debate and has great respect for Catholics. This was all said, according to when the video was posted, one month ago.

    Certainly he has not renounced protestantism at this point. However, there is still a noticeable shift towards Our Lady that grows as the weeks go by. His whole demeanor is not hostile, he is simply not yet convinced. I still believe it is possible that such an open soul died with the desire to be united to the true faith. It took seconds for me to embrace transubstantiation and become on fire for the Catholic faith. I was listening to a sermon on the topic when suddenly a wave of complete understanding elevated my mind. I went from believing to it being a memorial meal to KNOWING it was truly Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity. It was mind-blowing and changed my life. So yes, I still believe that anyone saying the rosary every day is not damned. Conversion can happen in an instance if you are open to it.

    1. The Catholic Church characterizes Kirk's comments as "blasphemy." Here is the excerpt from the Moral Theology giving the exact example of what he did:

    https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35354/pg35354-images.html

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    887. The Sin of Blasphemy.—So far we have spoken of the sins of unbelief that are contrary to the internal act of faith. We now come to the sins that are contrary to the external act, or profession of faith. These sins are of two kinds: (a) The less serious sin is that of ordinary denial of the faith, that is, the assertion that some article of faith is false, or that some contrary error is true. This sin will be treated below in 913 sqq. on the commandments of faith. (b) The more serious sin is blasphemy, that is, the denial to God of something that is His; or the ascription to God of what does not belong to Him. Of this sin we shall speak now.

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    892. Unlike God, creatures are subject to imperfections, moral or physical, and thus it is not always erroneous or blasphemous to attribute imperfections to the Saints or sacred things.
    (a) If sacred persons or things are spoken ill of precisely on account of their relation to God, or in such a way that the evil said of them reverts on God Himself, blasphemy is committed. Example: It is blasphemous to say that the Mother of God was not a Virgin, that St. Peter was a reprobate, that St. Anthony and St. Simeon Stylites were snobbish or eccentric, that the Sacraments are nonsense, that relics are an imposture, etc.
    Do you submit to the Church's authority on this matter, Boru? Or do you think your opinions supersede settled Church moral theology?


    2. You have been claiming that Kirk comments about Our Lady on this occasion were "objective evidence" that he was on the path to conversion. Do you still believe that? If so, what do you make of these words from him:

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    I find biblical evidence to show that Mary was sinful like all the rest of us.
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    I personally would not be able to enter into a faith that believes that anybody except Jesus Christ our Lord was without sin.
    He called Our Lady a sinner. He says "biblical evidence" shows that. His comment is diabolical, no? Doesn't that sound like something Satan would say...with "respect," of course.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #119 on: September 18, 2025, 09:24:51 PM »
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  • 9/4/25 Kirk at Evangelical Protestant TPUSA Faith event:



    9/6/25 Kirk receives blessing from female Korean minister:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/_8f9ouDbCpo
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.