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Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2025, 07:57:38 PM »
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  • Ok, so we are back to name-calling and I'm back to being a woman. You and Fuentes make a pair. 

    Regarding Candace, you have no argument. But then, you never do. You just name-call and trash people's names without a thread of evidence. That is your method. And what is very revealing is that you hate upon people who have a reputation of trying to be the best Christians they can be. You hate upon people who are upfront, kind, charitable, and who, to the best of their understanding are trying to actively fight back against the anti-Christs who threaten our souls. You cannot even recognize a nice person. You really can't. And why? Because you are so consumed with pulling people down in order to puff yourself up. That Laddie, is the very definition of weakness.

    For those that listen to your ugly spew, Candace Owens is happily married to a lovely Englishman who thinks the world of her. Far from being "any husband's worst nightmare" George Farmer - a devoted Catholic - asked her to marry him after only weeks of meeting her. They both take their faith seriously, are publicly and actively pro-life, intend to home-school their children and mix with equally nice people. I don't know what dust bin you are pulling your trash from, but it's time to stop being homeless and get back home to the Church where you can have some hope of growing up.

    Boru, you sure do spill a lot to 1s and 0s defending Kirk and Owens. And you claim to know who George and Candace "mix with" and other personal details. Do you want to explain your relationship to these Trump Machine influencers?

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #91 on: September 17, 2025, 08:13:00 PM »
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  • Boru, you sure do spill a lot to 1s and 0s defending Kirk and Owens. And you claim to know who George and Candace "mix with" and other personal details. Do you want to explain your relationship to these Trump Machine influencers?

    Fellow lovers of Christ. Christ is King.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #92 on: September 17, 2025, 08:20:52 PM »
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  • Fellow lovers of Christ. Christ is King.

    If you don't know them personally then you cannot possibly know the things you said about Farmer/Owens. They are Trump Creatures, just like Charlie Kirk. But I am getting a feeling that you are part of the same team, which is why you push their talking points over and over and over and over.

    Why not come clean, Boru? Were you lying when you claimed to know who Farmer/Owens "mix with." Or are you a Trump Creature infiltrating Cathinfo?

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #93 on: September 17, 2025, 08:32:48 PM »
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  • Charlie Kirk was an evangelical Protestant. He had a Evangelical pastor. TPUSA "faith" events are evangelical. Charlie Kirk never renounced his heretical Protestant errors and never publicly converted to the Catholic faith. Charlie Kirk said that prots and evangelicals "overcorrected" concerning "Mary". His words. In the video clip you love to reference, he didn't call her the Blessed Virgin, he didn't call her the Immaculate Conception. He called her "Mary". That is because the Protestant denial of those attributes of the Blessed Virgin are not an "overcorrection" for him...because he was a protestant. Charlie Kirk had sufficient grace and time to convert, and he had free will. Do not deny him his free will by insinuating that he died a Catholic. That was his decision to make, not yours

    Look at the whole picture and stop acting like a protestant yourself. Mass, rosary, encouraging protestants to venerate Our Lady more, having their marriage validated in a Catholic Church. These are recent occurrences leading up to his death and were moving in what direction? Tell me, where was his 'free will' taking him? Endangering his life by refusing Isra eli money, bribes, and threats. Willing to face the truth and speak out. There is clearly grace at work there. And while I am not claiming he is in heaven, we can be hopeful - because of these exterior markers - that he is not damned; that spiritually he had united himself to the one, true Church. And therefore, in charity, we should pray for his soul. If you don't want to, that's up to you, but at least accord him and his family the respect they deserve in their time of suffering.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #94 on: September 17, 2025, 08:43:33 PM »
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  • Look at the whole picture and stop acting like a protestant yourself. Mass, rosary, encouraging protestants to venerate Our Lady more, having their marriage validated in a Catholic Church. These are recent occurrences leading up to his death and were moving in what direction? Tell me, where was his 'free will' taking him? Endangering his life by refusing Isra eli money, bribes, and threats. Willing to face the truth and speak out. There is clearly grace at work there. And while I am not claiming he is in heaven, we can be hopeful - because of these exterior markers - that he is not damned; that spiritually he had united himself to the one, true Church. And therefore, in charity, we should pray for his soul. If you don't want to, that's up to you, but at least accord him and his family the respect they deserve in their time of suffering.

    Again with the talking points. Almost like Boru is being paid to say them over and over and over again because her handlers know the manipulative power of repetition.

    Here is the psychology behind the technique, if anyone is interested.


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    The manipulative use of talking points leverages several psychological principles and cognitive biases to influence an audience. By repeating simple, pre-packaged messages, manipulators can bypass critical thinking and implant ideas or narratives that serve their own agenda.


    Cognitive psychology and information processing
    • The mere-exposure effect: This well-docuмented phenomenon shows that people tend to develop a preference for things simply because they are familiar with them. The constant repetition of a talking point, even a false one, increases its familiarity and, in turn, its perceived validity. This repeated, "fleeting encounter" creates a sense of warmth or trustworthiness toward the idea.
    • Cognitive fluency: Repeated exposure to a talking point makes it easier for the brain to process. The mind equates this processing ease with positive affect and truth. A simple, consistent, and easy-to-understand message is often preferred over a complex one that requires critical thought. Talking points are carefully crafted to be clear and concise, making them easily digestible.
    • Information overload: Manipulators can overwhelm an audience with a high volume of repetitive messages, a tactic sometimes called the "fire hose of falsehood". This can cause cognitive paralysis, making it difficult for people to critically evaluate the information. The result is that people often accept the manipulator's narrative as the path of least resistance.

    Social and motivational psychology
    • Social proof (the bandwagon effect): This principle states that people tend to adopt beliefs and behaviors that they see others, particularly a large group, adopting. Talking points often frame an idea as being widely popular ("millions of people support this candidate!"), triggering a psychological need to conform.
    • The creation of in-groups and out-groups: Talking points can simplify complex issues into an "us versus them" binary. This taps into a fundamental social identity theory, where people adopt positions to align with their in-group and reject those associated with an out-group. Dehumanizing the out-group with a repeated term, such as calling people "rats," is an extreme example of this manipulation.
    • Consistency and cognitive dissonance: Talking points can exploit the desire for cognitive consistency, where people avoid the discomfort of holding conflicting ideas. For example, if a talking point reinforces a prior belief, people will readily accept it and scrutinize information that challenges it, a phenomenon known as confirmation and disconfirmation bias.

    Persuasive communication
    • Framing: This is the process of presenting facts within a certain rhetorical "frame" to shift perception and influence how people think about an issue. For example, describing a welfare program as "helping people who have lost their jobs" evokes empathy, while referring to "the unemployed" can create a more abstract, "othered" image, decreasing empathy.
    • Authority and credibility: Talking points are more persuasive when they come from a credible source, such as a perceived expert or a popular authority figure. The source's credibility is often used to instill trust and build rapport, making the repeated talking points more likely to be accepted.
    • Emotional appeals: Talking points can use emotionally charged language to connect with an audience on a human level. Appealing to emotions like fear, hope, or anger can be more compelling than a purely logical argument and can bypass critical reasoning. For example, "flag waving" justifies an action by appealing to patriotism.





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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #95 on: September 17, 2025, 08:48:23 PM »
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  • Look at the whole picture and stop acting like a protestant yourself. Mass, rosary, encouraging protestants to venerate Our Lady more, having their marriage validated in a Catholic Church. These are recent occurrences leading up to his death and were moving in what direction? Tell me, where was his 'free will' taking him? Endangering his life by refusing Isra eli money, bribes, and threats. Willing to face the truth and speak out. There is clearly grace at work there. And while I am not claiming he is in heaven, we can be hopeful - because of these exterior markers - that he is not damned; that spiritually he had united himself to the one, true Church. And therefore, in charity, we should pray for his soul. If you don't want to, that's up to you, but at least accord him and his family the respect they deserve in their time of suffering.
    More emotional cope. it does not matter if he was in the process of converting because that is not the same actually being a Catholic. There have been many more and better people who died as catechumans and God allowed to die without baptism, they are lost and so is Kirk. We simply accept it as God's will as there is no salvation outside the Church. You on the other hand have denied the doctrines even when presented with quotes. This is really bad for your soul, if you wish to be saved yourself you cannot deny even ONE Catholic Doctrine.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #96 on: September 17, 2025, 08:57:29 PM »
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  • More emotional cope. it does not matter if he was in the process of converting because that is not the same actually being a Catholic. There have been many more and better people who died as catechumans and God allowed to die without baptism, they are lost and so is Kirk. We simply accept it as God's will as there is no salvation outside the Church. You on the other hand have denied the doctrines even when presented with quotes. This is really bad for your soul, if you wish to be saved yourself you cannot deny even ONE Catholic Doctrine.

    Yes, but her emotionalism is part of the technique (see below). She is a pro (meaning she is being paid to play this role). She is not just some overly-emotional British homeschooling mom who loves dogs and horses. She is an influencer paid by the same people who fund TurningPoint.

    • Emotional appeals: Talking points can use emotionally charged language to connect with an audience on a human level. Appealing to emotions like fear, hope, or anger can be more compelling than a purely logical argument and can bypass critical reasoning. For example, "flag waving" justifies an action by appealing to patriotism.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #97 on: September 17, 2025, 09:51:49 PM »
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  • Look at the whole picture and stop acting like a protestant yourself. Mass, rosary, encouraging protestants to venerate Our Lady more, having their marriage validated in a Catholic Church. These are recent occurrences leading up to his death and were moving in what direction? Tell me, where was his 'free will' taking him? Endangering his life by refusing Isra eli money, bribes, and threats. Willing to face the truth and speak out. There is clearly grace at work there. And while I am not claiming he is in heaven, we can be hopeful - because of these exterior markers - that he is not damned; that spiritually he had united himself to the one, true Church. And therefore, in charity, we should pray for his soul. If you don't want to, that's up to you, but at least accord him and his family the respect they deserve in their time of suffering.
    The "whole picture" is that Charlie Kirk died without abjuring his Protestant heresies and publicly converting to the true Faith. The exterior markers here that matter are whether or not those things happened, and they didn't. Membership in the Catholic Church is public. I can point to someone I know who is Catholic and say "they are a member of the Church". I can point to someone I know who is not Catholic and say "they are not a member of the Church".
    When Charlie Kirk, a public figure, an Evangelical Protestant who held heretical views regarding the papacy, the sacraments, the Blessed Virgin, etc. was sitting in a chair at his event in Utah, moments before death, we could point to him and say "he is not a member of the Church", because he wasn't. Between that moment and several seconds later, when he was dead, there were no "exterior markers" to tell us that he suddenly became a member of the Church. You are pulling that out of thin air. One moment he was speaking about gun violence, a political matter, the next he was unconscious from massive blood loss, and then dead. There are zero exterior markers that he miraculously joined the Church through "desire" in those few seconds between him being a non-Catholic heretic debating politics and him being dead. Zero. Rather than blather on about his "martyrdom" and salvation, you should consider this a sobering example that our lives are Gods to take, and He takes them when He sees fit. I do not know why Kirk died when he did, without entering the Church, but that is God's decision. Kirk was given sufficient grace and time.

    The fruit of your religious indifferentism (EENS denial) is non-Catholics believing they can be saved without formally entering into the Church and receiving the sacraments. That's not what happens, however. They end up being damned. You, and every other liberal, "charitable", "Catholic" will have to answer before God as to why you denied His Dogma and contributed to the damnation of souls. You should do so serious reading and praying about this matter
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #98 on: September 17, 2025, 10:01:01 PM »
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  • …And while I am not claiming he is in heaven, 
    LIAR!!   TWO DAYS AGO YOU WERE SAYING HE WAS A MARTYR.  !!!  

    Now you’re backtracking.  You have no integrity.  You’re either a very low-IQ moron or a weasel-infiltrator.  Maybe both.  And definitely a heretic.  

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #99 on: September 18, 2025, 11:00:30 AM »
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  • LIAR!!  TWO DAYS AGO YOU WERE SAYING HE WAS A MARTYR.  !!! 

    Now you’re backtracking.  You have no integrity.  You’re either a very low-IQ moron or a weasel-infiltrator.  Maybe both.  And definitely a heretic. 
    I said it was possible he died a martyr. I don't know. So no, I'm not backtracking.

    Do you have to call everyone who disagrees with you names? Is that your only means of debating? Perhaps you should also consider an Ignatian Retreat. A whole week without abusing people. Imagine the peace of soul it would bring :)

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #100 on: September 18, 2025, 11:18:58 AM »
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  • The "whole picture" is that Charlie Kirk died without abjuring his Protestant heresies and publicly converting to the true Faith. The exterior markers here that matter are whether or not those things happened, and they didn't. Membership in the Catholic Church is public. I can point to someone I know who is Catholic and say "they are a member of the Church". I can point to someone I know who is not Catholic and say "they are not a member of the Church".
    When Charlie Kirk, a public figure, an Evangelical Protestant who held heretical views regarding the papacy, the sacraments, the Blessed Virgin, etc. was sitting in a chair at his event in Utah, moments before death, we could point to him and say "he is not a member of the Church", because he wasn't. Between that moment and several seconds later, when he was dead, there were no "exterior markers" to tell us that he suddenly became a member of the Church............
    Shall we give you a lesson in fractions? For you have just cut out Mass, Rosary, Veneration to Our Lady, and the proven turning against his Israe-li payrollers, from the Whole. This leaves a fraction of the picture. Therefore, given the spiritual change - the spiritual sequence of events leading up to his murder, there is every possibility that in his heart and soul, he had united himself to the true faith. As such, while we cannot prove either way, we can pray for him in the hope that he had made that final step. It is not a sin to do so.


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #101 on: September 18, 2025, 11:25:35 AM »
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  • I said it was possible he died a martyr. I don't know. So no, I'm not backtracking.

    Do you have to call everyone who disagrees with you names? Is that your only means of debating? Perhaps you should also consider an Ignatian Retreat. A whole week without abusing people. Imagine the peace of soul it would bring :)
    A martyr (in Catholic terms) is someone who dies for the Faith. No matter how you stretch it, Charlie Kirk was not a martyr in that sense. The best we can hope for is that he received some special grace before his death and he cooperated with it. Yeah, “unfortunately” but rightly the Church treats him as not being saved. There is nothing wrong with saying private prayers for the repose of his soul, but referring to him as a “martyr” only serves to denigrate the dogma of “outside the Church there is no salvation”.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #102 on: September 18, 2025, 11:45:29 AM »
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  • Shall we give you a lesson in fractions? For you have just cut out Mass, Rosary, Veneration to Our Lady, and the proven turning against his Israe-li payrollers, from the Whole. This leaves a fraction of the picture. Therefore, given the spiritual change - the spiritual sequence of events leading up to his murder, there is every possibility that in his heart and soul, he had united himself to the true faith. As such, while we cannot prove either way, we can pray for him in the hope that he had made that final step. It is not a sin to do so.
    Having the true Faith, membership in the Church, and obtaining eternal salvation cannot be broken into fractions. It is ALL or NOTHING. Attend some NO masses as a non-Catholic does not save your soul. Praying the rosary while denying Dogma about Our Lady does not save your soul. Allegedly refusing Israeli money does not save your soul. All of those things combined do not save your soul. Your reasons for hoping for his salvation are ridiculous and grasping at straws to a heretical degree. No one can give proper veneration to Our Lady (whom he referred to simply as "Mary") if they deny her Immaculate Conception and perpetual virginity, which he as an evangelical Protestant would have done. For the third(?) time, he said Protestants "overcorrected". You really need to knock it off. It's pathetic

    I think my main point, which you have completely ignored, in my previous comment summed it up perfectly. When Charlie Kirk was sitting in a chair at his event at UVU, one second before being shot, he was not a member of the Church. He never renounced his Protestant heresies and publicly converted to Catholicism. Nothing about those facts changed in the matter of seconds between him being shot and him dying. Yet you deny him his free will by daring to put thoughts and desires, which you want to be true but have zero way of knowing, into his soul. 

    On 9/10/25 at 12:22PM MT Charlie Kirk was not a member of the Church

    On 9/10/25 at 12:23PM MT Charlie Kirk was shot, and died. 

    There are no outward actions that we can look at between those two times and say, "Look, Charlie Kirk became a member of the Church". We can only see him die, as someone who did not live as a Catholic.
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #103 on: September 18, 2025, 11:52:13 AM »
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  • A martyr (in Catholic terms) is someone who dies for the Faith. No matter how you stretch it, Charlie Kirk was not a martyr in that sense. The best we can hope for is that he received some special grace before his death and he cooperated with it. Yeah, “unfortunately” but rightly the Church treats him as not being saved. There is nothing wrong with saying private prayers for the repose of his soul, but referring to him as a “martyr” only serves to denigrate the dogma of “outside the Church there is no salvation”.
    "A martyr (in Catholic terms) is someone who dies for the Faith." As Catholics, we believe in Baptism of Blood; that someone, not even baptized, can be saved by dying for the Faith. Therefore, I maintain, that a baptized Christian, who puts Christ the King first before his own life (and he understood the risk he was taking in turning against his Israe-li puppet masters), and who was in the process of accepting Catholicism, and whose whole mindset was geared towards 'dying for the faith' (as he wanted to be remembered), can be a possible martyr.  Without doubt it is possible. I'm afraid we shall have to disagree on this one.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #104 on: September 18, 2025, 12:01:19 PM »
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  • I think my main point, which you have completely ignored, in my previous comment summed it up perfectly. When Charlie Kirk was sitting in a chair at his event at UVU, one second before being shot, he was not a member of the Church.
    We don't know that for certain. That's the point. You were not inside his head. You can be spiritually attached to the true faith - baptism of desire, baptism of blood. Given he's public openness to Catholicism - put into public action - it is a definite indication that his belief system was changing. So we can hope. And therefore pray.