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Offline Boru

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Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
« Reply #195 on: Yesterday at 09:15:59 PM »
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  • Here's where your logic fails:

    1.  God is outside of time.
    2.  Prayers to God can effect outside of time.
    3.  The sacramentsare applied within time.

    4.  A protestant needs the sacraments to convert IN TIME.
    5.  Prayers cannot provide sacraments necessary for salvation, to someone who has already died.
    6.  There are numerous miracles which show persons who are RAISED FROM THE DEAD to either a) be baptized, b) confess and do penance.

    So until Charlie is raised from the dead, we must assume he died OUTSIDE of the Church.  Prayers cannot provide sacramental grace and it DE FIDE that he needed sacramental graces to convert and be saved.

    One act of sincere love to unite yourself to Christ, can save your soul.
    St. Therese of the child Jesus teaches this. St. John of the Cross teaches this. I repeat, a pure and sincere act of contrition can spirituality wipe away mortal sin - as long as one intends to get to confession as soon as possible. This means grace can work outside of time. And it means that prayer can secure this sincere act of love for someone. We are allowed to pray and get Masses said for Protestants. We are allowed to pray for their conversion. So why don't we? Let God take those prayers/graces and apply them before his death.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #196 on: Yesterday at 09:34:05 PM »
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  • One act of sincere love to unite yourself to Christ, can save your soul.
    St. Therese of the child Jesus teaches this. St. John of the Cross teaches this. I repeat, a pure and sincere act of contrition can spirituality wipe away mortal sin - as long as one intends to get to confession as soon as possible.
    Yes, this applies for catholics only.  Because only catholics can intend to confess.

    Protestant heretics are impeded by canon law and all manner of excommunication penalties.  These are church laws which the popes have "bound" (i.e. St Peter was given the power to "bind and loose").  Protestants would have to submit to the Church BEFORE they can receive the sacraments.

    A heretic cannot receive sacramental grace "by faith" or "by desire" or even "by contrition".  This is condemned by Trent.

    Protestants believe they can "go directly to Christ" for forgiveness.  You are preaching the same heresy, saying that a perfect act of contrition can make a protestant a member of the Church.  No, it cannot.  


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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #197 on: Yesterday at 10:06:46 PM »
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  • Yes, this applies for catholics only.  Because only catholics can intend to confess.

    Protestant heretics are impeded by canon law and all manner of excommunication penalties.  These are church laws which the popes have "bound" (i.e. St Peter was given the power to "bind and loose").  Protestants would have to submit to the Church BEFORE they can receive the sacraments.

    A heretic cannot receive sacramental grace "by faith" or "by desire" or even "by contrition".  This is condemned by Trent.

    Protestants believe they can "go directly to Christ" for forgiveness.  You are preaching the same heresy, saying that a perfect act of contrition can make a protestant a member of the Church.  No, it cannot. 

    Pax you are correct about the Sacrament of Confession part, of course. That is only open to Catholics.

    But the Protestant theoretically could be "justified" by an act of perfect contrition. That is part of normal Catholic doctrine. Not that such would be common. And if attempted, it would be hard to pull off. That is why Jesus gave Catholics the Sacrament of Confession. The Sacrament allows sinners with imperfect contrition to receive absolution. Most of us will only achieve imperfect contrition.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #198 on: Yesterday at 10:42:44 PM »
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  • Pax you are correct about the Sacrament of Confession part, of course. That is only open to Catholics.

    But the Protestant theoretically could be "justified" by an act of perfect contrition. That is part of normal Catholic doctrine. Not that such would be common. And if attempted, it would be hard to pull off. That is why Jesus gave Catholics the Sacrament of Confession. The Sacrament allows sinners with imperfect contrition to receive absolution. Most of us will only achieve imperfect contrition.
    Yes and no.  It depends.  There are various types of heretics and various types of protestants.

    1.  A protestant like Charlie who has never been a member of the Church, and never received the sacraments of Eucharist and Confession.  Justification could NOT be had by them in the same way as Catholics because Trent's guidelines are two-fold.  1) perfect contrition and 2) vow/promise to confess.  Protestants like Charlie can't promise to confess because they've never done it before.

    2.  A fallen-away catholic turned protestant.  Let's say, similar to Martin Luther.  Yes, he could repent on his deathbed and become catholic again.  Because he was catholic once before, fully.

    3.  A schismatic orthodox.  Again, they have received the sacraments and believe in them.  They could convert on their deathbed because all they would have to do is reject their schism.

    Someone like Charlie is a 'simple protestant' (never been catholic, except by baptism) has a VERY HIGH hurdle to get into the Church.  They have to become members first.

    But an apostate, or a catholic heretic, or an orthodox heretic...these are members of the Church in a more tangible way than a 'simple protestant'.  2 totally different categories because a 'simple protestant' has never received any of the major sacraments and is not a member in any way (other than baptism).  

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #200 on: Today at 12:21:58 AM »
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  • Place this terminal ballistics stupidity in your "utter bullshit" file:

    Charlie Kirk ally reveals 'absolute miracle' that may have saved lives during fatal shooting
    Andrew Kolvet says Kirk's doctor called it miraculous that the high-powered round didn't exit the TPUSA founder's body


    By Brie Stimson Fox News


    https://www.foxnews.com/us/charlie-kirk-ally-reveals-absolute-miracle-may-have-saved-lives-during-fatal-shooting


    Counter-evidence for your consideration:



    And as far as I know, whether or not Kirk wore ballistic armor is an open question.

    Still more counter-evidence:



    except for mention of the bogus concept of "brain death," this is a reasonable precis regarding decerebrate posturing:


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    Decerebrate posture is an abnormal, involuntary body position that indicates severe brain damage or disruption in brain function, typically resulting from a traumatic brain injury, stroke, brainstem stroke, severe brain infection, extensive bleeding, brain swelling, or a brain tumor. It is characterized by the arms and legs being held straight out, the toes pointed downward (plantar flexed), the head and neck arched backward (opisthotonos), and the muscles being tightly rigid. The arms are internally rotated and adducted at the shoulder, with the elbows extended and the forearms pronated, while the fingers are flexed. This posture is a reflex response to noxious stimuli and is considered a sign of profound damage to the brainstem, particularly involving the midbrain and the rubrospinal tract.
    Decerebrate posture is often associated with a poor prognosis and a very low chance of survival, with mortality rates ranging from 33% to 70% depending on the severity of the underlying injury. It is typically observed in individuals who are unconscious and in a coma, with no voluntary control over their movements. The condition is sometimes referred to as decerebrate rigidity or extensor posturing. It can occur on one side of the body, both sides, or affect only the arms, and may alternate with decorticate posturing, another sign of severe brain injury.
    The reflex is believed to result from damage to the brainstem, which disrupts the normal balance between excitatory and inhibitory signals in the nervous system, leading to uncontrolled extension of the limbs. While decerebrate posture itself does not cause further brain damage, it is a critical indicator that immediate medical intervention is required. Diagnosis is based on clinical observation and may be supported by brain imaging (such as CT or MRI) and electroencephalography (EEG) to assess the extent of brain damage and rule out conditions like seizures. Treatment focuses on managing the underlying cause, such as reducing brain swelling with steroids or diuretics, removing blood or fluid via surgery, or performing procedures like hemicraniectomy to relieve pressure. In rare cases, if the cause is treatable—such as severe liver failure leading to hepatic coma—recovery may be possible. However, in most instances, decerebrate posturing signifies irreversible brain injury and is often a precursor to brain death.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #201 on: Today at 12:34:17 AM »
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  • Just to rehash, Jason Goodman at Crowdsource the Truth found five different drones flying at such high velocity around the site of the Charlie Kirk shooting they were not noticed by the crowd, and now they have found some kind of classified Army Hades ISR (Intelligence/Surveillance/Reconnaissance) airplane which was circling at stall speed around the site at the time of the shooting. The vid also goes into how they are looking at the possibility there was a second shooter at the Butler assassination attempt of Trump, and one of the ultra-fast drones Jason found at the Kirk shooting looks a lot like another ultra-fast drone which was seen at the Butler shooting, indicating the same ultra-spooky intel outfit [every.single.time] was operative in both assassination attempts, and was employing ultra-high tech. They make it sound like a small clique at Langley, but I think what they are looking at is simply the same operation running the surveillance – a sprawling, domestic intelligence agency akin to the Stasi, penetrated by some foreign entity, [:facepalm:] and being run against us from the shadows. If so, it is interesting when it mattered at Butler, they failed, and something more capable prevailed. But that tech, as amazing as it appears, is beginning to be rolled out more widely, and it is a matter of time before everyone is being actively subjugated by it, if nothing changes.

    "Israel did not αssαssιnαtҽ Charlie Kirk," say both Netanyahu and Queen Gertrude.

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #202 on: Today at 03:18:42 AM »
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  • WEIRDER BY THE MINUTE…

    One angle from the Charlie Kirk assassination seemingly shows a chair falling through a table, as if it were a hologram:
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    https://x.com/i/status/1969248270242169020

    Fantastic find Mark! You are seeing real-time object manipulation with video editing.

    A chair appearing to pass through a table is not a camera glitch but a compositing error, where digital layers were stacked in the wrong order, exposing the editing trick.



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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #203 on: Today at 05:43:34 AM »
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  • I know he's a controversial figure but David Icke has posted quite a bit of info on another perspective on this situation.

    https://x.com/davidicke

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    Re: The Charlie Kirk PSYOP
    « Reply #204 on: Today at 06:09:55 AM »
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  • I know he's a controversial figure but David Icke has posted quite a bit of info on another perspective on this situation.

    https://x.com/davidicke
    Unfortunately the new agers have taken the ground that should be occupied by Catholics. We saw this first hand during Covid when just about all the best information came from yoga teachers.