I see your point Miseremini but there is this to consider - the context. Part of Kirk's method was to draw in - find common ground - instead of going on the attack. He did this with everybody including gαys. He made it clear he didn't agree with their life-style, but he always treated them respectfully as people. It was the same for the Mormon Church. And the point he was making - I've watched the video - is that the Morman Church had of late been promoting woke LGBT rubbish. That is what he meant when he said 'We need a strong Morman church back in this country'. He was encouraging them to get back to their more 'Christian' teachings.  And as Utah is the Morman state of America, he approached it tactfully.

Also, desiring to become a Catholic doesn't mean you are instantly infused with wisdom. (I know I wasn't. The ardent desire was there, but the understanding and knowledge was a long process). Nor would it have been wise to suddenly start laying down the law to thousands of Mormans. Kirk's method was always dialogue - such as encouraging protestants to venerate our Lady more. As I said, Kirk may very well be damned -  but I personally have great hope for him - and the Church allows us to privately pray for him and have Masses said which could win him that rare conversion. He was a brave man who was willing to put his life on the line for his faith. He willed to be united with Christ. It's worth praying for someone like that.

This is complete garbage and it's amazing how UNCHARITABLE you are. You are doing a great evil when you are attempting to JUSTIFY SIN, in this case, heresy. The Morman Church is a false Church, the only way they can go back to Christian teachings is if they become Catholic. Dialogue is nonsense, when the apostles preached they simply said what was true but feeding the peoples on different levels of truth (milk, bread, wine) without compromising on the truth

In regards to the bold part you mentioned, this is false. Multiple Popes were quoted in the other thread showing that YOU CANNOT PRAY NEITHER PUBLICLY NOR PRIVATELY FOR DECEASED NON-CATHOLICS AND CERTAINLY NOT SAY MASS FOR THEM. You literally do not care for what the Church actually teaches. You only care about "feelings". That's why you believe in garbage opinions like Baptism of desire despite it having no magisterial support. Even the few Saints that believed in BoD only speculated on it for CATECHUMANS, but you extend it to a man who was already baptised and who denied Christ (denying the Church = denying Christ).

As it stands you are simply not Catholic yourself.

Absolutely disgusting photos, men with tattoos featured, woman with exposed skin; fake nails, heavy makeup, bleached hair etc. A fake Christians easily outs themselves with immodesty.

This photo was taken in at the inauguration in Feb.  Looks like she got the dress from Cher.

Unbelievable that I am just now finding this. Charlie Kirk, minutes before before death, "I am an evangelical Christian"

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Alternate angle, start at 4:05:

https://rumble.com/v6zcs72-charlie-kirk-shooting-edit4-uvu-campus-orem-utah-9-10-25-worlds-a-stage-777

Unbelievable that I am just now finding this. Charlie Kirk, minutes before before death, "I am an evangelical Christian"

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Alternate angle, start at 4:05:

https://rumble.com/v6zcs72-charlie-kirk-shooting-edit4-uvu-campus-orem-utah-9-10-25-worlds-a-stage-777

Game. Set. Match. 

Why is any Catholic worried about what happens to gatekeepers, I honestly don't get it.

This ^^^  Why spend so much diving deep into this stuff?  It is only there to distract you from duty, prayer, and penance.

In better times none of this would have to be investigated because there weren't Catholics running around claiming they had great hope in the salvation of dead non-Catholics. Unfortunately today there are. There is currently a mass denial, by the majority of people claiming to be Catholic, of the most important Dogma of the Church..that outside of her there is no salvation. That is an error that must continuously be combatted

So novus ordo Catholics like lifetime news are Catholic?

At this point in time diving deep and finding things doesn't really come up with Truth.  We still don't know anything more than we really did 14 days ago and probably, as in most cases, we won't know the Truth until we die. 

This is complete garbage and it's amazing how UNCHARITABLE you are. You are doing a great evil when you are attempting to JUSTIFY SIN, in this case, heresy. The Morman Church is a false Church, the only way they can go back to Christian teachings is if they become Catholic. Dialogue is nonsense, when the apostles preached they simply said what was true but feeding the peoples on different levels of truth (milk, bread, wine) without compromising on the truth

In regards to the bold part you mentioned, this is false. Multiple Popes were quoted in the other thread showing that YOU CANNOT PRAY NEITHER PUBLICLY NOR PRIVATELY FOR DECEASED NON-CATHOLICS AND CERTAINLY NOT SAY MASS FOR THEM. You literally do not care for what the Church actually teaches. You only care about "feelings". That's why you believe in garbage opinions like Baptism of desire despite it having no magisterial support. Even the few Saints that believed in BoD only speculated on it for CATECHUMANS, but you extend it to a man who was already baptised and who denied Christ (denying the Church = denying Christ).

As it stands you are simply not Catholic yourself.

I assure you that your method would win NO converts. You are too aggressive and too judgemental. This is not Christ's way.

We studied debate at school. The most successful method is always to find common ground so as to lower your opponent's defense. Because while their defenses are up, you will never reach them. Christ used this way too. Yes He did. He taught with stories and parables. And friendship.

You should also be careful of twisting what other people say. I did not apply Baptism of Desire to Kirk. As you correctly stated, he was already baptised. I was simply using Baptism of Desire - which has been a Church teaching from the get-go - to show that grace can work outside of the physical sacraments on occasions. And thus it is possible that Kirk, who said he was close to converting, developed a full and sincere desire to become a Catholic before he died. I did not say he did, I said it was possible. To call Baptism of Desire a "garbage opinion" - an opinion held by the Church (and greats such as St. Thomas Aquinas) for centuries - is very wrong and egotistic of you. It smacks of the two Diamond brothers who are completely twisted and puffed up with pride, and spend their lives attacking the Church - including Doctors of the Church.

Unbelievable that I am just now finding this. Charlie Kirk, minutes before before death, "I am an evangelical Christian"

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Alternate angle, start at 4:05:

https://rumble.com/v6zcs72-charlie-kirk-shooting-edit4-uvu-campus-orem-utah-9-10-25-worlds-a-stage-777

Are you being funny? Even if it was in his mind to convert, he was known as an Evangelical Christian. He wouldn't suddenly say, hey, I'm a Catholic when he hadn't formally gone through the process. Nor would he say - in the middle of a debate with a Mormon over their religion - I'm an Evangelical Christian about to convert to Catholicism. The Mormon would have completely shut down and he would have lost half his audience. It wasn't the place. Besides, most converts go through the process privately so as to avoid negative energy. Again, I'm not saying categorically that he is saved, but what I am saying is that this still not prove he was damned. If it was in his mind to convert - "I am close" - then that desire - that co-operation with God's grace -  would be enough to have saved him. I hope it was so.