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Author Topic: Charlie James Kirk Etymology→ Free man, supplanter, of the church.  (Read 27206 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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  • His parents did him a disfavor by not naming him ... James Tiberius Kirk.

    Offline Boru

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  • Ok, but this doesn't make him a catholic.  You cannot "wish"/"desire" to be a catholic and *poof* it just happens.  He would be a catechumen, but not a catholic.

    1.  Sanctifying grace can only come from the Church, through the sacraments.
    2.  Sanctifying grace is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL for salvation.
    3.  One cannot desire/wish for sanctifying grace and receive it directly from God (i.e. this is a protestant perversion, similar to "faith alone" saves). 
    Now this is the real argument isn't it.  Can one desire to be a Catholic and 'poof' it happens?

    Do you believe in Baptism of desire?


    Offline Matthew

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  • I would just like to point out Charlie Kirk’s initials “CK” C is the third letter in the alphabet, and K is the eleventh letter in the alphabet. Is it just a coincidence 3(C)x11(K)=33?

    Ok, this is autist Rain Main whacko nonsense.
    Have you been diagnosed with autism? You should.

    Stuff like this makes me want to ask... what are YOUR initials? I'm sure we could find something sinister ;)
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  • Now this is the real argument isn't it.  Can one desire to be a Catholic and 'poof' it happens?

    Do you believe in Baptism of desire?
    He's already baptized; BOD doesn't apply.  :facepalm:  Once a baptized person reaches the age of reason, they are obligated by the graces received at baptism (i.e. supernatural faith, hope and charity) to become a catholic.  He rejected (repeatedly) those graces when he joined protestantism.  And he died a protestant.

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  • He was wearing a St. Michael the archangel medal.  The perfect saint for us to pray to for the salvation of Kirk's soul.
    Whoa...since when, yesterday?  Last week his wife was shown holding his necklace out the window of a car the day he died.... and it was a cross.  Now today everyone is saying it's a St Michael medal.  Even on Spiritdaily, they say a medal and then say there was blood still on the cross.  There's NO cross on a St. Michael's medal.
    Here is the video of her holding it from the car and someone explaining where he got it.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOiv-mpjBvx/



    Here is what Spirit daily said.


    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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  • Whoa...since when, yesterday?  Last week his wife was shown holding his necklace out the window of a car the day he died.... and it was a cross.  Now today everyone is saying it's a St Michael medal.  Even on Spiritdaily, they say a medal and then say there was blood still on the cross.  There's NO cross on a St. Michael's medal.
    Here is the video of her holding it from the car and someone explaining where he got it.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOiv-mpjBvx/


    Here is what Spirit daily said.


    Yup, NY Times said the same thing. Unless it was some sort of hybrid cross/medal how it has been reported doesn't make much sense
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    Offline Fortitude

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  • Ok, this is autist Rain Main whacko nonsense.
    Have you been diagnosed with autism? You should.

    Stuff like this makes me want to ask... what are YOUR initials? I'm sure we could find something sinister ;)

    It’s another recorded anomaly, like many listed on the forum, it can be discarded later if it’s useless, with everything we are witnessing here, I personally believe it’s another convenient 33 symbolism.

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  • Strange, with all the jewellery she wears, she doesn't wear a wedding ring.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



    Offline Miseremini

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  • Yup, NY Times said the same thing. Unless it was some sort of hybrid cross/medal how it has been reported doesn't make much sense
    No hybrid.  Here she is wearing it.  Just a plain cross.  No medal in sight.


    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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  • He's already baptized; BOD doesn't apply.  :facepalm:  Once a baptized person reaches the age of reason, they are obligated by the graces received at baptism (i.e. supernatural faith, hope and charity) to become a catholic.  He rejected (repeatedly) those graces when he joined protestantism.  And he died a protestant.
    You are missing the point. The argument was can a person desire to become a Catholic and 'poof' it happens. Baptism of Desire is one example in the affirmative.  Can a Protestant desire to be a Catholic and 'poof' it happens? Of course. the conversion is in the desire. If the desire is genuine, the converted Protestant will follow through with formerly becoming a Catholic via the physical sacraments. The point is, that it is possible; that genuine Catholic desire can save a soul who does not get the opportunity to follow through with partaking in the other sacraments.

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  • V2 theology.  :facepalm:  


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  • You are missing the point. The argument was can a person desire to become a Catholic and 'poof' it happens. Baptism of Desire is one example in the affirmative.  Can a Protestant desire to be a Catholic and 'poof' it happens? Of course. the conversion is in the desire. If the desire is genuine, the converted Protestant will follow through with formerly becoming a Catholic via the physical sacraments. The point is, that it is possible; that genuine Catholic desire can save a soul who does not get the opportunity to follow through with partaking in the other sacraments.
    True Faith is not found outside the Church. No one can obtain true Faith by desiring it super duper hard because you must be united to the Mystical Body Of Christ in order to possess it. No one outside the Church can become a member of the Church by desiring it super duper hard because they lack Divine Faith. 

     They cannot please God, they cannot have true Faith, they cannot obtain eternal salvation, without being a member of the Church. That is why becoming an actual member of the Church is absolutely necessary for salvation. 



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    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    If the desire is genuine, the converted Protestant will follow through with formerly becoming a Catholic via the physical sacraments.
    Exactly.  Desire + action.  And Charlie died before the action took place.  So he didn’t convert.  

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  • FWIW, Michael Knowles on rumors of Kirk considering converting, start at 38:00
     
    Knowles says, "[Charlie's] publicly stated views speak for themselves"
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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  • It’s another recorded anomaly, like many listed on the forum, it can be discarded later if it’s useless, with everything we are witnessing here, I personally believe it’s another convenient 33 symbolism.
    "Charlie Kirk" is just a generic WASP name. The end. Emphasis on the "P" in WASP because "Kirk" comes from the name in Scotland for the state church.
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