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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
« on: October 22, 2024, 11:06:26 AM »
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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Emile

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #1 on: October 22, 2024, 11:12:17 AM »
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    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2024, 11:28:45 AM »
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    • Funny, I was just asking whether Vigano still supports him a couple of days ago:

    The Martyrs' Stand: Choosing Christ Over Compromise in Today's Political Land - page 3 - Politics and World Leaders - Catholic Info

    Does he read this forum?  :laugh1:
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2024, 11:33:14 AM »
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    • Correct.  +Vigano is dead wrong about this issue.
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    Offline Giovanni Berto

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2024, 11:36:50 AM »
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    ...adding that to abstain from voting would not be “morally possible,” since “in this war declaring oneself neutral means allying oneself with the enemy.”


    Ohh, how shocking.

    It seems that elections have the power to take people to extremes. And Vigano is not even American.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2024, 11:38:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2024, 11:33:14 AM
    Correct.  +Vigano is dead wrong about this issue.
    Ladislaus locuta est, causa finita est! :jester:
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2024, 11:43:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on October 22, 2024, 11:38:49 AM
    Ladislaus locuta est, causa finita est! :jester:

    Sure, coming from people that have done nothing but criticize +Vigano for pretty much everything he's said and done the entire time.

    See, the difference between us is that I can and have argued and explained exactly why I'm right.  Rest of you just pontificate without being able to produce a single argument in your and the same is true of all the Trad clergy that have scandalously promoted "lesser evil".

    Carry on laughing ... while going to the polls and committing grave sin (despite the fact that your votes mean nothing anyway).

    There has been no refutation of any of my arguments, just counters with "muh Trad clergy".
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2024, 11:45:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 22, 2024, 11:36:50 AM

    Ohh, how shocking.

    It seems that elections have the power to take people to extremes. And Vigano is not even American.

    He seems to have a stronf affinity with the US, having been the Nuncio here for quite a few years.

    Yeah, OK, so there's an obligation to vote ... assuming that the vote is not 100% rigged (which it is).  In either case, I will be voting ... and any perceived obligation will be satisfied, as I write in an actual good candidate.
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2024, 11:45:48 AM »
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    • This is good from +Vigano. I especially liked: "Voting for Donald Trump means firmly distancing ourselves from an anti-Catholic, anti-Christian and anti-human vision of society. It means stopping those who want to create a hellish dystopia that is even worse than the one announced by George Orwell. And it also means – do not forget – giving him our vote of confidence, so that President Trump knows that the massive vote of Catholics and Christians that brought him back to the White House must become the premise for a more incisive commitment to the defense of life from conception to natural death, the traditional family, the right of parents to educate their children, and to the defense of the Christian Faith and the cultural identity of the nation."

    In other words, Catholics and Evangelicals (possibly 80 MN votes right there, enough to win a presidential election) should vote for Trump en masse now, and then, once in office, push him to be more pro-life out of loyalty to us.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2024, 11:48:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2024, 11:43:30 AM
    Sure, coming from people that have done nothing but criticize +Vigano for pretty much everything he's said and done the entire time.

    See, the difference between us is that I can and have argued and explained exactly why I'm right.  Rest of you just pontificate without being able to produce a single argument in your and the same is true of all the Trad clergy that have scandalously promoted "lesser evil".

    Carry on laughing ... while going to the polls and committing grave sin (despite the fact that your votes mean nothing anyway).

    There has been no refutation of any of my arguments, just counters with "muh Trad clergy".

    I’ve already voted for him and don’t have a single scruple about it! ;)
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2024, 12:09:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 22, 2024, 11:45:48 AM
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    In other words, Catholics and Evangelicals (possibly 80 MN votes right there, enough to win a presidential election) should vote for Trump en masse now, and then, once in office, push him to be more pro-life out of loyalty to us.

    Novus Ordo CINOs would obey Vigano... why? And Evangelicals would listen to Vigano... how so?

    As for "loyalty to us" -- and if he doesn't, what would be the real consequences for him?
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2024, 12:20:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 22, 2024, 11:45:32 AM
    He seems to have a stronf affinity with the US, having been the Nuncio here for quite a few years.

    Yeah, OK, so there's an obligation to vote ... assuming that the vote is not 100% rigged (which it is).  In either case, I will be voting ... and any perceived obligation will be satisfied, as I write in an actual good candidate.

    It seems to me that even people who say that a vote for Trump is morally permissible are not claiming that one is obliged to do so.

    Abp. Vigano has probably spent way too time in America and has absorbed some of its extremism.:trollface:
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2024, 12:27:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 22, 2024, 12:20:57 PM
    Abp. Vigano has probably spent way too much time in America and has absorbed some of its extremism.:trollface:
    :confused: Where, oh where, do you get such strange ideas about Americans, GB? ;) :laugh1:
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #13 on: October 22, 2024, 01:36:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 22, 2024, 12:20:57 PM
    It seems to me that even people who say that a vote for Trump is morally permissible are not claiming that one is obliged to do so.

    Abp. Vigano has probably spent way too time in America and has absorbed some of its extremism.:trollface:
    Yes, 99% of us here have been saying permissible, but not obligatory.  However, I recently heard a sermon by a traditional priest that also said obligatory (which surprised me).  I wonder whether the shift has to do with the real and dire circuмstances/consequences of this election (again, assuming it's not rigged).
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    Re: Archbishop Viganò endorses Trump
    « Reply #14 on: October 22, 2024, 01:42:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 22, 2024, 01:36:06 PM
    Yes, 99% of us here have been saying permissible, but not obligatory.  However, I recently heard a sermon by a traditional priest that also said obligatory (which surprised me).  I wonder whether the shift has to do with the real and dire circuмstances/consequences of this election (again, assuming it's not rigged).

    Sure, the consequences are dire, but it seems to me that the chances for a real election are no more than wishful thinking. That's why it is somewhat amusing that people take something that is very likely a fraud so seriously.
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