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« on: November 03, 2008, 08:26:14 PM »
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  • A couple months ago, before I learned about Obama's plans to undo all restrictions on Abortion, I was planning on

    not voting
    voting for Chuck Baldwin
    voting for Ron Paul
    etc.

    But having thought about it a bit more, I decided the only course of action is to hold my nose and vote for McCain -- the only candidate with a REASONABLE CHANCE of preventing an Obama presidency.

    Normally I'm against compromise, and I'm full of principles. However, I am realistic enough to know that Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin (both "write-ins" in most states) haven't a snowballs chance in heck of winning the election.

    And although I'm against the Neo-cons and all they stand for, at least McCain isn't going to require 2 years of community service from every American, end Catholic hospitals as we know them, end homeschooling, remove all abortion restrictions, and heaven knows what else.

    Obama is the scariest, most evil candidate I've ever seen. We HAVE to stop him from getting in the White House.

    I know there's no moral obligation to vote when both parties are "iffy" -- but what about voting AGAINST such an obvious evil? If Obama came out and said he'd outlaw Catholicism would that change anyone's mind about voting for McCain?

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    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 08:29:37 PM »
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  • As a contrast to Obama's promise to end all restrictions on abortion "first thing" when he takes office:

    Here is McCain's position on Abortion --
    (taken from www.johnmccain.com)

    Human Dignity and the Sanctity of Life

    Overturning Roe v. Wade

    John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

    Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

    However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, "At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level."

    Promoting Adoption

    In 1993, John McCain and his wife, Cindy, adopted a little girl from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh. She has been a blessing to the McCain family and helped make adoption advocacy a personal issue for the Senator.

    The McCain family experience is not unique; millions of families have had their lives transformed by the adoption of a child. As president, motivated by his personal experience, John McCain will seek ways to promote adoption as a first option for women struggling with a crisis pregnancy. In the past, he cosponsored legislation to prohibit discrimination against families with adopted children, to provide adoption education, and to permit tax deductions for qualified adoption expenses, as well as to remove barriers to interracial and inter-ethnic adoptions.

    Protecting Marriage

    As president, John McCain would nominate judges who understand that the role of the Court is not to subvert the rights of the people by legislating from the bench. Critical to Constitutional balance is ensuring that, where state and local governments do act to preserve the traditional family, the Courts must not overstep their authority and thwart the Constitutional right of the people to decide this question.

    The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation.

    As with most issues vital to the preservation and health of civil society, the basic responsibility for preserving and strengthening the family should reside at the level of government closest to the people. In their wisdom, the Founding Fathers reserved for the States the authority and responsibility to protect and strengthen the vital institutions of our civil society. They did so to ensure that the voices of America's families could not be ignored by an indifferent national government or suffocated through filibusters and clever legislative maneuvering in Congress.

    http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm
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    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 08:34:17 PM »
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  • Some more thoughts on the election --

    Yes, depleted uranium is bad. Yes, I'm sick of the Neo-cons. Yes, the war in Iraq is unjust.

    But none of those issues rank as high as the basic right to life. If we don't value life, then what else matters?

    First of all, there's no clear-cut indication that Obama is ANY LESS LIKELY to wage war on Iran than McCain is. But the Abortion issue is VERY clear, and it's a crucial issue.

    EVEN IF Obama ended the Iraq war and cut taxes (though it's very dubious that he'll do either), how would any of us benefit? The increase in Abortions would spell the death of this country.

    So those who survive getting their brains sucked out get to live to experience better welfare and free health care?

    See the absurdity?
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    « Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 09:50:02 AM »
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  • Doesn't matter who wins. John McCain is not pro life. He is for embryonic stem cell research. John McCain will continue to get us in foreign conflicts around the globe, and that insane man will have his "finger on the button." Here's an interesting speech by "McInsane" calling the people at his rally "my fellow prisoners."




    Interesting choice of words, isn't it?

    Prepare yourselves for what is to come. Become as self-sufficient as possible. Realize that both of these puppets of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, really run nothing, but are exactly the prior. "Puppets." Their masters run things, not the president, not the congress, not the senate, and certainly NOT "We the people."

    NORTHCOM is sending forces out to assist with "Crowd Control." We're already a police state.

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/


    I voted this morning. My vote went to someone who deserves it, not someone who I would rather have in there. Either way, with Hussein or McInsane, this country is going to have to turn back to God, and beg the intercession of Our Lady to get us out of this mess. The nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr is well on its way to controlling the entire financial system, and has their freemasonic goons all over our government now. The only thing we can do is pray.

    To remember the words of Lucia when she spoke about the things we should be worried about, it wasn't about the material aspect of things, it was about the eternal loss of our souls. Notice there is nothing mentioned in there about voting. Pray the Rosary and wear your scapular, and pray to God that he will aid us in perseverance until the end.

    Make sure you have a proper amount of vitamins. If these nuts get their way, we will be pushed into accepting chemicals from Big Pharma and the Chemical companies.

    http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

    The empty suits that are running for president in the two party charade, don't talk about any issues. It's all rhetoric. McInsane is not going to keep us from becoming communist... No! No more than GWBush kept our tax money to going to fun "certain lines" of embryonic stem cells. Our money went to murder, and this same line of garbage was given to us last election! "You can't vote for (insert third party candidate here) because if Kerry/Gore gets in there, the world will end!!!"  I'm calling it out this time. IT IS FAKE! If you can't see it by now...  :plant:

    Our liberties have been steadily taken away since GWBush took office. All those people that said "If you cast your vote for (insert third party candidate here) you are wasting your vote!" Or, the best one I've heard yet! "If you cast your vote for (insert third party candidate here) you are committing a MORTAL SIN!" Really... well... your strategy on getting the "lesser of two evils" in there for the last 20 years has FAILED MISERABLY! And LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW! The precious republicans who were supposed to end abortion had more than two years in a majority in congress, the senate and had the precious president in there to help them pass something meaningful in that regard. Guess what? THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Doesn't matter how you abort a baby, they still get killed. Does it matter if I put a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger, or draw and quarter them? NO! You're still killing someone. So, their "partial birth abortion" legislation had holes all over it, and in truth, did NOTHING to save any babies.

    The ones that are still saying "Vote for McCain or the world will end," are torturing themselves with brainwashing from the media. Please, you will do more voting for a third party candidate in accordance with your conscience and get on your KNEES and pray the Rosary than you will voting for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr puppet, who will not only use our tax money for more murder for embryos, but will not do ANYTHING TO SAVE ONE BABY in this world.


    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 11:30:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd


    I know there's no moral obligation to vote when both parties are "iffy" -- but what about voting AGAINST such an obvious evil? If Obama came out and said he'd outlaw Catholicism would that change anyone's mind about voting for McCain?

    Matthew


    I've been reading the views on the election here with some amusement I must say but I don't really wish to dwell on that but simply note the following.

    So why then not vote with your principles rather then hold your nose ?



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    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 11:51:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth

    The ones that are still saying "Vote for McCain or the world will end," are torturing themselves with brainwashing from the media. Please, you will do more voting for a third party candidate in accordance with your conscience and get on your KNEES and pray the Rosary than you will voting for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr puppet, who will not only use our tax money for more murder for embryos, but will not do ANYTHING TO SAVE ONE BABY in this world.


    We're also praying, especially the Rosary, for the outcome of the election.

    And we aren't brainwashed by any media. We don't even own a television and we don't listen to the radio either.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 01:56:31 PM »
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  • I'm in florida and here it is election day and I have about an hour and half before I have to figure out what I am going to do - apparently Florida is a swing state - so "theoretically" my vote could make a difference with who is going to win, which means I can't necessarily just vote my conscience -  my thoughts lie much along the lines of chant's first posting on this thread.  Neither candidate is a good candidate, and i don't think that mcCain will end abortion, but at the very least he (hopefully) will continue to allow Catholics to work in the medical profession, not socialize medicine, etc... even though he has a tacit approval of abortion by saying it is a state's rights issue, in comparison to Obama, at least I can be "assured", temporarily, that I will be able to have my children in a birth center and that I will be allowed to live more of the life that I wish to live.  I guess the way I see it is that it buys four more years before all hell breaks loose if McCain is elected (theoretically, of course).  

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    « Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 02:29:05 PM »
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  • If Osama Obama wins, would Ireland be a good country to move to?  If not where should I move to?
                     Dominic


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    « Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »
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  • Thank you for your contributions to this thread.

    I have made a new thread called "Official 2008 Election Thread" which should be used from now on instead of this one:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=6126

    I'm locking this thread, because after all, it's no longer "tomorrow's election" but today's.

    Your discussion is absolutely appropriate, and I encourage you to keep up this discussion in the new thread.

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