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sspx article about Bannon and DACA
« on: September 29, 2017, 09:53:02 PM »
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    • Can anyone gather what the sspx is actually saying in this article?  I didn't enjoy the article.  Besides a couple of surprising sspx responses, it says a bunch of nothing.

    Is this part supposed to be the sspx responding "The answer of the President’s ex-strategist was downright offensive(refering to bannon): “The Catholic Church has been terrible about this….The bishops have been terrible about this.” And he went on insidiously:".  Or do you think they are just copying and pasting some other news response to bannons statement."  

    It sounds as though this sspx article thinks bannon was "insidious and downright offensive".  Doesn't it?  If so, that is pathetic, because it sounds like something that would come out of the NO church when it comes to questioning the heiarchy.   The sspx sounds shocked by Bannon.  And, I think Bannon has a good point.  

    Can some provide a link for "issue no. 321 from September 2015, DICI"?  
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 01:30:51 AM »
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    • The Catholic teaching against racism and racial segregation predates Vatican II.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 08:28:40 AM »
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    • When Bannon said,"The Catholic Church has been terrible about this... The bishops have been terrible about this." It is pretty clear he is referring  to the Novus Ordo clerical heirachy, not the Catholic Faith itself. He certainly used strong language to voice his disagreements on a political issue. However, the article does seem to single out Bannon for criticism and treats the Novus Ordo heirachy as if they are perfectly defending the Church's Position on the issue.  

    Bishop Fellay is trying very hard to make the SSPX "less controversial". Taking a mainstream position on immigration is definitely a way of achieving this. Although to be fair, I do not think this article represents the views, that much of the SSPX hierarchy has on the subject. Even Maximilian Krah has come out openly in support of Germany's AfD party, which is strongly opposed to mass immigration.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 11:39:57 AM »
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    • i love Bannon.. kind of bewildered about his remarks RE the Trump Admin... right after he left it but anyway, i like him.

    As you probably know, he is Catholic. I hope he is the kind of catholic who goes to Mass every day? To me, that is the only way you can grow in Christ and get .. incrementally? .. closer to Heaven, which as i have stated b4, few do get there.

    I think Satan has succeeded in destroying the Church. I have a lot of experience to inform me of such... Most priests put other concerns over being a priest, belong to organizations that are secret (b/c they are evil and know that people would not approve of them if they knew w hat they were up to) that subvert t he Church and seek to destroy it.

    I think Jesus is not going to stand for this kind of stuff much longer and probably is returning soon, but that's my opinion.. yet based on many interesting factors...

    anyway, where was I?

    I would like to know more about Bannon.

    sigh

     so much to learn (vis a vis just everything)..  so little time... 
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 01:10:33 PM »
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    • Dlaurentius -  Good post.  I know what bannon was saying, what I was unsure about was what the sspx was saying.  But, you put into words very well what I suspected the sspx was saying in this article.  I can underestand +Fellay trying to be less controversial despite my disagreement.  But, he is not being less controversial when it comes to bannon by calling bannon "insidious and offensive".  That is controversial.  So, it seems to me like he has gone past the neutral mark in the wrong direction.  Maybe bannon really is right, is +fellay seeing $$$?
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 10:42:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: DLaurentius on September 30, 2017, 08:28:40 AM
    When Bannon said,"The Catholic Church has been terrible about this... The bishops have been terrible about this." It is pretty clear he is referring  to the Novus Ordo clerical heirachy, not the Catholic Faith itself. He certainly used strong language to voice his disagreements on a political issue. However, the article does seem to single out Bannon for criticism and treats the Novus Ordo heirachy as if they are perfectly defending the Church's Position on the issue.  

    Bishop Fellay is trying very hard to make the SSPX "less controversial". Taking a mainstream position on immigration is definitely a way of achieving this. Although to be fair, I do not think this article represents the views, that much of the SSPX hierarchy has on the subject. Even Maximilian Krah has come out openly in support of Germany's AfD party, which is strongly opposed to mass immigration.
    This 'mainstream' position on immigration of Mgr. Fellay coincides with the time honored tradition of the Catholic Church.  
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 10:58:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on September 30, 2017, 11:39:57 AM
    i love Bannon.. kind of bewildered about his remarks RE the Trump Admin... right after he left it but anyway, i like him.

    As you probably know, he is Catholic.

    > Is he?

    I hope he is the kind of catholic who goes to Mass every day? To me, that is the only way

    > To you? Do you mean "for" you? Regardless, is this what either history and/or the Church says?

    you can grow in Christ and get .. incrementally? .. closer to Heaven, which as i have stated b4, few do get there.

    > While extremely likely, and not to disagree with you on this point, but strictly speaking what is the theological status re: "The Fewness of the Saved" again?

    I think Satan has succeeded in destroying the Church.

    > Guess what the status of that opinion is?

    I have a lot of experience to inform me of such... Most priests put other concerns over being a priest,

    > Determined how?

    belong to organizations that are secret

    > Apparently not very

    (b/c they are evil and know that people would not approve of them if they knew w hat they were up to)

    > How do you know about them?

    that subvert the Church and seek to destroy it.

    > Guess they didn't get the "Mission Complete" memo.

    ...
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2017, 10:15:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on September 30, 2017, 10:42:17 PM
    This 'mainstream' position on immigration of Mgr. Fellay coincides with the time honored tradition of the Catholic Church.  
    The time honored position of the Church is to love ones country.  Allowing rampant illegal immigration which destroys not only the economic health of a country but also its social, political, and spiritual health is sinful. 
    I think Fellay is trying to curry favor with the NO.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2017, 11:09:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on October 01, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
    The time honored position of the Church is to love ones country.  Allowing rampant illegal immigration which destroys not only the economic health of a country but also its social, political, and spiritual health is sinful.
    I think Fellay is trying to curry favor with the NO.
    Care for the poor is also a time honored tradition of the Catholic Church. St. Margaret of Scotland used  to feed the poor and to visit the sick in the hospitals, whose sores she used to kiss.        
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2017, 11:19:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 01, 2017, 11:09:49 PM
    Care for the poor is also a time honored tradition of the Catholic Church. St. Margaret of Scotland used  to feed the poor and to visit the sick in the hospitals, whose sores she used to kiss.       

    Care for the poor can also be said to have been a time honored tradition of, for example, the USSR.

    Granted one can't really be said to be "poor" if one doesn't have personal property, among other things, but is instead had by, i.e. is claimed to be the property of, someone or something else such as the state.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 11:30:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 01, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
    Care for the poor can also be said to have been a time honored tradition of, for example, the USSR.

    Granted one can't really be said to be "poor" if one doesn't have personal property, among other things, but is instead had by, i.e. is claimed to be the property of, someone or something else such as the state.
    There is a difference in the way the Catholic Church takes care of the poor and the way the USSR took care of the poor. 
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2017, 11:33:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 01, 2017, 11:30:12 PM
    There is a difference in the way the Catholic Church takes care of the poor and the way the USSR took care of the poor.

    Those differences being... ?
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 03:21:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 01, 2017, 11:33:01 PM
    Those differences being... ?
    The Catholic Church doesn't try to enslave the people and control every aspect of their lives like the Soviet Union did to the people.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 04:06:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 02, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
    The Catholic Church doesn't try to enslave the people and control every aspect of their lives like the Soviet Union did to the people.

    No no, we're not talking about what ELSE was/n't done; stay on point.
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    Re: sspx article about Bannon and DACA
    « Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 04:27:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 02, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
    The Catholic Church doesn't try to enslave the people and control every aspect of their lives like the Soviet Union did to the people.
    Here, let's read what the "supreme pastor and teacher" has to say:

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    ES: "You told me some time ago that the precept, “Love your neighbour as thyself” had to change, given the dark times that we are going through, and become “more than thyself.” So you yearn for a society where equality dominates. This, as you know, is the programme of Marxist socialism and then of communism. Are you therefore thinking of a Marxist type of society?"

    F: “It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians. Christ spoke of a society where the poor, the weak and the marginalized have the right to decide. Not demagogues, not Barabbas, but the people, the poor, whether they have faith in a transcendent God or not. It is they who must help to achieve equality and freedom".

    Hope that helps.
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