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Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2020, 08:06:35 AM »
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  • I agree with both the above statements.   
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #46 on: September 27, 2020, 11:48:59 PM »
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  • I don't think it is so much the convict past that makes most Aussies so compliant. (BTW a convict past is not necessarily a criminal past, though there was the odd criminal on the ships! Defying the laws of the crown could have been stealing enough to feed your hungry children in cruel protestant England.) I have a convict heritage of both paternal and maternal sides, and I am certainly am not compliant. I think it's more the fact that, especially in the latter half of 20th century and up till now, Australians have had a reasonably cushy lifestyle and have not had to fight for it. So they tend to naivety and trustfulness when it comes to politics. And the Commonwealth governments have, on the surface at least, been fairly beneficent.

    It is necessary also to distinguish between the state of Victoria, which in thrall to China, and other states, which are not quite so. Nevertheless, China has a foothold just about everywhere in Australia and the rest of the world.


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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #47 on: September 27, 2020, 11:58:40 PM »
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  • From The Australian national newspaper
    How about they don’t go home?  Might be time to renounce your citizenship and move to some other place like...........?  Suggestions?

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #48 on: September 28, 2020, 12:32:01 AM »
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  • "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #49 on: September 28, 2020, 01:32:22 AM »
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  • @Seraphina  Maybe Nauru?


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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #50 on: September 28, 2020, 01:57:31 AM »
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  • They had five new cases in Victoria. They've gone full Soviet police state over five cases of the flu by any other name? Pathetic. 

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #51 on: September 30, 2020, 09:36:15 PM »
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  • VICTORIA, Australia, September 30, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) —The government of the state of Victoria in Australia has proposed legislation that would allow police and other government-appointed officials to arrest and indefinitely detain others whom they merely suspect of being likely to break lockdown regulations.

    The COVID-19 Omnibus (Emergency Measures) Amendment Bill has passed the Victorian parliament’s lower house and will come before the Upper House soon.

    The bill legislates that police and other “designated” or “authorised” officers may arrest and detain “high risk” individuals who they consider are “likely to refuse or fail to comply” with lockdown regulations.
    Victoria’s draconian lockdown rules include making face coverings mandatory anywhere outside one’s home, even in open spaces when one is alone; daily curfews preventing people from leaving their homes except for work and essential health, care, or safety reasons; and rules preventing residents of the capital city, Melbourne, going farther than 5 km from their homes for any reason other than work, medical care, or caregiving. Churches in Victoria are closed, and people are severely restricted in where they can go and what they can do.

    Thirteen top Australian doctors recently urged Premier Dan Andrews to end what they denounced as an “unjustifiable” state of emergency.
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    But Victorian attorney general Jill Hennessy explained during a reading of the bill in Parliamentearlier this month that the new legislation would give “further emergency powers to authorised officers to issue detention notices and detain particular high-risk persons if the authorised officer reasonably believes that a person is likely to refuse or fail to comply with a direction made by the Chief Health Officer.”
    Australian national newspaper The Age stated in an article published earlier this month that a state government spokesman confirmed to the paper that the proposed new laws “could be applied to conspiracy theorists who refuse to self-isolate or severely drug-affected or mentally impaired people who do not have the capacity to quarantine.”

    LifeSiteNews has spoken with one Victorian resident who said that he believes that Victoria’s senior politician, state premier Daniel Andrews, will bring the legislation before the Upper House as soon as he is confident he has the political support to push it through and enshrine the bill into law.

    A group of 13 senior Victorian lawyers and retired judges have written an open letter calling for the legislation to be amended or rejected.

    In addition to the police, the bill as it currently stands would allow the secretary of the Department of Health to appoint other people, including public servants, as “authorised officers.”
    One section of the bill notes that “the Secretary [of the Department of Health] by instrument may appoint any of the following to be an authorised officer for the purposes of this Act ... a person the Secretary considers appropriate for appointment based on the person's skills, attributes, ... experience or otherwise.”

    An explanatory memorandum for the bill notes:
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    This will expand the persons who may be appointed as authorised officers. It is intended to include additional public sector employees from Victoria as well as such employees from other Australian jurisdictions, and individuals with a connection to particular communities to ensure that certain activities, such as contact tracing, can be conducted in a culturally safe manner.
    Writing in Spectator Australia, Ian Hanke notes that “[t]his sweeping power means the Secretary could appoint anyone as an ‘authorised officer.’”
    “The Bill is mute on the specifics of who could be appointed. The Secretary has been given carte blanche to appoint anyone who has the ‘skills, attributes, experience or otherwise,’” Hanke continues.
    Hanke highlights that, as stated in the explanatory memorandum, the bill would also legislate that the “authorised officer” who is empowered to arrest others canbe assisted by any person in exercising a public health risk power under an authorisation given by the Chief Health Officer.”

    Moreover, once an individual is detained, he could be held for an indefinite period.  The explanatory memorandum notes:

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    Section 200(6) of the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 requires an authorised officer to review, at least once every 24 hours during the period that a person is subject to detention under section 200(1)(a), whether the continued detention of the person is reasonably necessary to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health.
    Hanke argues, “Put simply, this means you can be locked up and detained indefinitely at the whim of a designated officer.”
    In an interview last week on Sky News Australia, Daniel Wild, director of research at the Melbourne-based Institute of Public Affairs, explained that the proposed legislation could even empower certain members of the public to arrest and indefinitely detain their political opponents or business competitors.

    “The laws could be used to empower a union official, for example, to indefinitely detain a small business–owner, for example, who may just so happen to be in competition with a unionised workforce,” Wild said.
    “Or it could be used to empower a Labor Party staffer, or a Labor Party operative, to indefinitely detain, for example, a member of the Liberal Party,” he continued.


    Wild also highlighted the possibility that some may be empowered as “officers” capable of making arrests because of their ethnicity.
    “Indeed the laws could be used in such a way to confer power on Victorians, not based on their public health expertise or any other expertise, but on the colour of their skin,” he said.

    “That is almost exactly what the Victorian attorney-general suggested when she said that one of the intentions of the laws was to confer power on so-called leaders of multicultural communities and multicultural groups,” he continued.
    “What that means in practice is that these laws will create, for the first time in Australia’s history, a certain class of citizens who will be empowered with extra rights compared to their fellow citizens on the base of their ethnic origin and of their racial background.”

    In an interview with Sky News host Alan Jones this week, Professor David Flint said the legislation would mean ”anybody can be taken off the streets, there can be a midnight knock, you can be taken away by a so-called ‘authorised person,’ some apparatchik of the ruling party and then be held in indefinite detention without your ancient common law right with a court deciding whether that detention is legal.”


    In recent weeks, Victoria Police have been gaining worldwide attention for their heavy-handed treatment of those not complying with lockdown restrictions. Videos that have gone viral online on social media in recent weeks include Victoria Police arresting a pregnant woman in her own home for the “crime” of promoting an anti-lockdown event; Victoria Police smashing the door down of a man’s home and arresting him for allegedly promoting anti-lockdown events online; and a video that shows a young woman being forced to the ground by a large male police officer for the “crime” of not wearing a mask in public.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #52 on: October 04, 2020, 11:27:36 PM »
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  • Sky News host Paul Murray says “Chairman Dan” gives hope of a light at the end of the tunnel just to change the subject, then kicks the light “further and further away”. 

    His comment comes after Daniel Andrews refused to give clear answer to when people would be able to travel beyond the 5km radius around their home. 

    “Despite the fact that we are now down from the hundreds to the dozen cases or so, we’re still above that five cases for fourteen days that’ll mean you get to freely leave your house, freely go back to work,” Mr Murray said. 

    “Unbelievably, after this process being in place in Melbourne since July, … there is a chance that even if things get slightly better in a few weeks time, that one of the most restrictive things that exists in Victoria would still continue.

    “You won’t be able to leave more than five kilometres from your house. “When asked about it directly today, the Chairman, unsurprisingly… didn’t know. “Light at the end of the tunnel, done so to change the subject, and then the light, of course, gets kicked further and further away.”
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #53 on: October 06, 2020, 11:49:14 PM »
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  • Not only is our State of Victoria at the mercy of Comrade Dan who has cut us off from the rest of the country, but Andrew Bolt, an atheist defender of Catholics and aware of the danger to our beloved Australia has the following to say :

    Andrew Bolt

    'We are at a frightening moment in history' with communist China.


    China's dictatorship is about to sign a deal that is going to tighten its iron grip.
    Not only its grip on its own people but on what used to be the biggest enemy of dictatorships everyone.

    We are at a frightening moment in history.


    A shameful one, particularly for Catholics.


    This week American Secretary of State Mike Pompeo flew to the Rome to plead with the Pope – do not sign this deal.


    Do not next month renew a secret agreement the Pope made two years ago with China that, in effect, gives the dictatorship control over who may be a bishop in the Catholic church in China.
    Under this deal, it's effectively the Chinese regime, not the Vatican, that appoints Catholic bishops.


    And appoints only bishops it thinks are loyal to this brutal communist regime that is right now actually persecuting Christians who refuse to join the communist party's official churches........


    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #54 on: October 07, 2020, 12:24:45 AM »
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  • Andrew Bolt certainly has a long way to go regarding the Catholic Faith - a bit like the priest he interviewed.  Let's hope he keeps digging 'til he works it all out.
    But he is the only reporter in this country that has the courage to defend Catholics when there is some obvious inconsistency....as he did with Cardinal Pell.

    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #55 on: October 07, 2020, 02:07:06 AM »
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  • Sky News host Paul Murray says Daniel Andrews is a disgrace who is wiling to “sell out the priorities of Victoria” in order to look good to the electorate. The Victorian government has recently engaged with Chinese state-owned train building company CRRC which has been blacklisted by the US and found to have ties with Uighur Muslim exploitation. The deal – reportedly worth $2.3 billion – will see the Chinese-owned company build the trains for Andrews’ planned train line in outer suburban Melbourne. 

    Premier Daniel Andrews has denied knowing the human rights abuses linked with the corporation claiming it had assurances from CRRC that it does not benefit from slave labour from exploited Uighurs. “No one’s raised any questions about this company with us, if that were to change, then we would take appropriate action,” the premier said. “We don’t agree with everything that’s done in every country around the world, but ultimately we are about getting things done,” he said. 

    Mr Murray said given China’s record on human rights, the “oh-so-woke premier wouldn’t want to dance with that devil”. “But it’s a devil with very deep pockets,” he said. “Thankfully the prime minister is determined to tear up this deal where Victoria does not get to be China’s gateway, China’s backdoor to the rest of the country.”

    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #56 on: October 07, 2020, 05:24:43 AM »
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  • Not only is our State of Victoria at the mercy of Comrade Dan who has cut us off from the rest of the country, but Andrew Bolt, an atheist defender of Catholics and aware of the danger to our beloved Australia has the following to say :

    Andrew Bolt

    'We are at a frightening moment in history' with communist China.


    China's dictatorship is about to sign a deal that is going to tighten its iron grip.
    Not only its grip on its own people but on what used to be the biggest enemy of dictatorships everyone.

    We are at a frightening moment in history.


    A shameful one, particularly for Catholics.


    This week American Secretary of State Mike Pompeo flew to the Rome to plead with the Pope – do not sign this deal.


    Do not next month renew a secret agreement the Pope made two years ago with China that, in effect, gives the dictatorship control over who may be a bishop in the Catholic church in China.
    Under this deal, it's effectively the Chinese regime, not the Vatican, that appoints Catholic bishops.


    And appoints only bishops it thinks are loyal to this brutal communist regime that is right now actually persecuting Christians who refuse to join the communist party's official churches........

    Andrew Bolt seems truly frustrated that he cannot understand or explain just what is going on. I would like to write to him. Do you know, Donkath, the best, or any, way to do that?

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #57 on: October 07, 2020, 07:38:44 AM »
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  • Andrew Bolt seems truly frustrated that he cannot understand or explain just what is going on. I would like to write to him. Do you know, Donkath, the best, or any, way to do that?


    Nadir, the last time I wrote to him his email address was:  bolta@heraldsun.com.au
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #58 on: October 07, 2020, 09:14:24 AM »
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    Not only is our State of Victoria at the mercy of Comrade Dan who has cut us off from the rest of the country, but Andrew Bolt, an atheist defender of Catholics and aware of the danger to our beloved Australia has the following to say 
    Correction - Bolt is an agnostic.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Soviet Melbourne, Victoria
    « Reply #59 on: October 07, 2020, 09:15:36 AM »
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    Not only is our State of Victoria at the mercy of Comrade Dan who has cut us off from the rest of the country, but Andrew Bolt, an atheist defender of Catholics and aware of the danger to our beloved Australia has the following to say 


    Correction - Bolt is an agnostic.

    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


     

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