Author Topic: Shamelessness of Protestants (Read 2258 times)

PereJoseph · « **on:** December 18, 2014, 02:58:24 PM »

As modern research has amply proved, the killings of Huguenots by the Parisian mob on St Barthélémy day in 1572 only amounted to around 3,000 souls. The King and his mother wanted to preempt an attempt on the lives of members of the royal family after somebody, probably an agent of the Guise party, shot Huguenot leader Admiral Gaspard de Coligny. When the King's Swiss Guard were sent out to kill the Huguenot leaders in the deeply Catholic city (the Protestants had gathered for a wedding of the King's sister to Henri de Navarre), the bells of Saint-Germain-l'Auxerrois rang and the common city folk began killing Huguenots. Some 3,000 or so perished, with a little over 1,000 being thrown in the Seine.

Over the course of the next few weeks, similar mob killings occurred in other prominent cities in France. The final death tally was, as both some of the fairest contemporary account and modern historians who specialise in the time and place agree, around 10,000. As has also been amply docuмented and argued, the Spanish Inquisition led to the deaths of some 3,000-5,000 heretics by the stake over the course of its 330 or so years in service.

Yet, Protestants throw around the number 70,000 regularly for Saint-Barthélémy, following the estimate of the prominent Huguenot the Duc de Sully. 300,000 is not uncommon to see, either. The more radical and unhinged Protestants give numbers closer to 1 million or even as high as 4 million, which must have been a fifth of the population of France ! The Spanish Inquisition is the same story -- tends of thousands or hundreds of thousands dead, if not millions. Yet, it is well known that less than 100,000 were even processed and tried by the inquisitorial tribunal; of those who passed through the tribunal's hands, only 2% or so were convicted of that pertinacious heresy that was a capital crime in the Spanish kingdoms.

Now, a lot of these lies were embraced by the Enlightenment philosophes, especially Voltaire. They seem to come from such books as Foxe's Book of Martyrs, which was protested for being factually inaccurate when it was first published in 1563 in England. Huguenots and conversos, mind you, were guilt of desecrating the incorrupt bodies of saints and destroying the Blessed Sacrament, in the case of the former, and assassinating Cardinals and meeting in secret to plot the death of Christians, in the latter. These are not slight crimes on their part. And yet, the Protestants, on top of this, invent lies and exaggerations about how they are persecuted by a bloodthirsty and dark religion, the Faith.

This calumnious caricature of the Church remains strong even today. I can't think of many propaganda campaigns that were more false and equally effective. People go to their graves believing deeply in these malicious lies.

The realisation I had, which made me think to write this post, is the utter shamelessness of the Protestants. What cynical pharisaism ! What hatred of God ! That they would be so bold as to break from the Church, αssαssιnαtҽ clergy and nobility, start cινιℓ ωαrs, start foreign wars, murder priests and monks and nuns, blaspheme sanctuaries and sacred vessels -- and then create a complex web of malicious lies about their being innocent persecuted sheep -- is truly staggering. It borders on being unbelievable. The true depth and nature of human depravity is something that is mysterious; the mind cannot grasp its reasons, nor understand its justifications. In this case, these people were shameless, their intent apparently often quite murderous and full of hatred.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2014, 03:13:35 PM »

:ready-to-eat:

I am not surprised when non-Catholics lie. When I was starting to convert to traditional Catholicism, I learned and am still learning that much of what I thought I knew about the world was really just lies by non-Catholics.

shin · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2014, 04:10:51 PM »

The children of the Father of Lies follow in his footsteps in all their ways!

PereJoseph · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2014, 11:24:29 PM »

I think the only modern phenomena quite like Protestantism would be liberalism, which is its direct descendant, of course, and then Communism, which is its lineal descendant. The philosophy as such, of course, is not what I am interested in here. It's Protestantism as a social phenomenon. To knowingly base one's shameless religion on calumnies is just incredible, especially when it leads to the deaths of so many innocent people. What a shame for England, for Calvinists, and the rest of the Protestant countries. Hundreds of years of war and death out of what, resentment ? Envy ? Self-righteous indignation ? Hellish.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2014, 11:27:18 PM »

The 1968 mentality is somewhat similar. Spoiled children ignoring everything good that their parents did for them because of some self-righteous impulse and general ennui. The ingratitude is difficult to fathom; what's more, they then internalise their childish protests and become viscerally upset when challenged or contradicted, sometimes crying and hyperventilating. It would be insane if it weren't simply malicious. The dynamics seem to be the same, however, as in the Protestant movement, socialism, liberalism, etc. Of course, the neo-Marxist climate of our day is just a distilled version of its predecessors.

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2014, 02:00:12 PM »

Quote from: PereJoseph (Dec 18, 2014, 3:58 pm)

As modern research has amply proved, the killings of Huguenots on St Barthélémy day [Aug. 24] in 1572 only amounted to around 3,000 souls. [After the killings spread beyond Paris, and ran their course, .... t]he final death tally was, as both some of the fairest contemporary account and modern historians who specialise in the time and place agree, around 10,000. [....]  Yet, Protestants throw around the number 70,000 regularly for Saint-Barthélémy, following the estimate of the prominent Huguenot the Duc de Sully. 300,000 is not uncommon to see, either.

I see that the venerable 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica presents only the "estimate" 50,000, attributing that to a François Hotman.

Of course, a realist should should probably expect Protestant biases in the E.B., originating, as it did, in a country--Scotland!--whose majority professing any religion professes Protestantism: Calvinist, Anglican, and even Baptist.

The Catholic Encyclopedia article by Georges Goyau, 1912: "Saint Bartholomew's Day" is a disappointment, presenting its final total timidly, as a range that spans a factor of 50:

Quote from: Georges Goyau (1912)

[....] the massacre spread through Paris [....]  The number of victims is unknown. Thirty-five livres were paid to the grave-diggers of the Cemetery of the Innocents for the interment of 1100 corpses; but many were thrown into the Seine. Ranke and Henri Martin estimate the number of victims in Paris at 2000. In the provinces also massacres occurred. [....]  The number of victims in the provinces is unknown, the figures varying between 2000 and 100,000. The "Martyrologe des Huguenots", published in 1581, brings it up to 15,138, but mentions only 786 dead. At any rate only a short time afterwards the [Protestant] reformers were preparing for a fourth cινιℓ ωαr. [....][**]

So, 'PereJoseph', would you please cite some credible and, um, more courageous, sources for the nonFrancophones among us to pass along?

Quote from: PereJoseph (Dec 18, 2014, 3:58 pm, concluded)

In this case, these people were shameless, their intent apparently often quite murderous and full of hatred.

For perspective on the royal gentility of the times, under England's Elizabeth I (r. 1558--1603), it was a capital crime to exercise the powers of the Catholic priesthood, and a crime simply to be a priest in England if not a native Englishman ordained before the reign of Elizabeth. Yet the English praised her as "Good Queen Bess". She had a distant critic on the throne of Russia, that being Ivan IV "The ~~ Terrible ~~ Formidable" (r. 1547--1584), who was its first ruler to take the title "tsar". He famously wrote to her of his exasperation that unlike like himself as the monarch of Russia, the monarch of England was not an autocrat: "in your land, people rule besides you, and not only people, but trading peasants", the latter likely a reference to the borough members of the House of Commons (est. 1341).

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Note *: (anon.): "Massacre of St. Bartholomew". Vol. 23, p. 1017.
Note **: Georges Goyau, 1912: C.E., vol. 13. New York: Robert Appleton Co.  <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13333b.htm>.

Cantarella · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2014, 04:28:00 PM »

The enemies of the Church have always been notorious for distorting historical events and bringing up any "scandal" that has occurred in the Church as a proof against Catholicism. Not only with the Saint Bartholomew’s Day massacre, they have done the same thing with the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Renaissance popes, the sack of Constantinople, and the expulsion of the Jєωs from Spain, among many others.

Is it only in historical fiction that the night of st. Bartholomew in 1572 is actually attributed to the Catholic Queen herself and the weakness of his son Charles, in that she, Catherine Medici, actually planned before hand that wedding of Marguerite Vallois with her hughenot cousin of Navarre, in order to gather all Protestants as guests in one place, and then kill them all?.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2014, 04:57:22 PM »

As they say, wars are caused by religion. False religion, that is.

The Protestant Revolts alone attest to this.

The continuous bloody battles of middle Europe that started in the 14th Century are a direct result of men thirsty to grab power and steal from the Church.

Of course, if you go to Wikipedia and type "Protestant Revolt" in the search engine, you will be redirected to the "Protestant Reformation" page. This trivial fact, of course, plays into the idea that Protestants are shamelessness in rewriting history for their own ends. Western Civilization is now Protestant "Civilization," and so it's only natural that one observes this zeitgeist in all of society's aspects, including Wikipedia.

I've always thought that such shameful acts rank right up there with the idea of Protestant families sending their kids off to the Philippines to convert those silly blind Filipinos--from Catholicism to Protestantism. Heaven forbid these families go try witnessing to the Muslims. I'm sure heads would roll in such cases.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2015, 10:55:24 PM »

The massacre of St Bartholomew's Day, regrettable as it was, only happened because a violent revolutionary minority were attempting to seize control of a Catholic country and forcefully impose their revolutionary creed on the Catholic majority, just as the Protestants did in every land where they managed to assume control. Is it really so wrong for a people to resort to violence in defense of their religion, their culture, their traditions, their heritage? The Calvinists would have turned France into a desolate spiritual and cultural wasteland. They would have forcefully torn France away from it's heritage and persecuted those who steadfastly held to the faith of their ancestors. That's what they did everywhere else where they wielded any significant amount of influence.

The Protestant reformation is built upon a web of wild and evil fabrications. Among the wackiest Protestant accusations I've encountered:

-Papal bulls were published on the skin of children who were skinned alive
-The Jesuits sunk the Titanic
-The Catholic Church opposes contraception in order to promote abortion

These people are twisted. We need to pray for them.