Man Looks who is talking now??? :geezer:


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=2


MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”
More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.
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“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into “chaotic darkness.”
As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.
The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”
Mr. Putin’s views of the West were echoed this month by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, the leader of the Orthodox Church, who accused Western countries of engaging in the “spiritual disarmament” of their people.
In particular, Patriarch Kirill criticized laws in several European countries that prevent believers from displaying religious symbols, including crosses on necklaces, at work.
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“The general political direction of the [Western political] elite bears, without doubt, an anti-Christian and anti-religious character,” the patriarch said in comments aired on state-controlled television.
“We have been through an epoch of atheism, and we know what it is to live without God,” Patriarch Kirill said. “We want to shout to the whole world, ‘Stop!’”
Other figures within the Orthodox Church have gone further in criticizing the West. Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, a church spokesman, suggested that the modern-day West is no better for a Christian believer than the Soviet Union.
Soviet authorities executed some 200,000 clergy and believers from 1917 to 1937, according to a 1995 presidential committee report. Thousands of churches were destroyed, and those that survived were turned into warehouses, garages or museums of atheism.
“The separation of the secular and the religious is a fatal mistake by the West,” the Rev. Chaplin said. “It is a monstrous phenomenon that has occurred only in Western civilization and will kill the West, both politically and morally.”
The Kremlin’s encouragement of traditional values has sparked a rise in Orthodox vigilantism. Fringe groups such as the Union of Orthodox Banner Bearers, an ultraconservative movement whose slogan is “Orthodoxy or Death,” are gaining prominence.
Patriarch Kirill has honored the group’s leader, openly anti-Semitic monarchist Leonid Simonovich, for his services to the Orthodox Church. The Banner Bearers, who dress in black paramilitary uniforms festooned with skulls, regularly confront gαy and liberal activists on the streets of Moscow.Although Mr. Putin has never made a secret of what he says is his deep Christian faith, his first decade in power was largely free of overtly religious rhetoric. Little or no attempt was made to impose a set of values on Russians or lecture to the West on morals.
However, since his inauguration for a third presidential term in May 2012, the increasingly authoritarian leader has sought to reach out to Russia’s conservative, xenophobic heartland for support.
It has proved a rich hunting ground.
“Western values, from liberalism to the recognition of the rights of sɛҳuąƖ minorities, from Catholicism and Protestantism to comfortable jails for murderers, provoke in us suspicion, astonishment and alienation,” Yevgeny Bazhanov, rector of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s diplomatic academy, wrote in a recent essay.
Analysts suggest that Mr. Putin’s shift to ultraconservatism and anti-West rhetoric was triggered by mass protests against his rule that rocked Russia in 2011 and 2012. The unprecedented show of dissent was led mainly by educated, urban Muscovites — many with undisguised pro-Western sympathies.
“This is the government’s response to modernized Russians becoming more defiant and independent,” said Maria Lipman, an analyst with the Moscow-based Carnegie Center. “The government is pitting the conservative majority against the liberal minority. As a result, raging anti-Western ideology has now turned into something that is almost a state ideology.”
Ms. Lipman, however, suggested that Mr. Putin may be wary of expressing too much support for the Orthodox Church — “a symbol of Russian statehood” — lest it someday challenge his authority.
Some 70 percent of Russians define themselves as Orthodox Christians in opinion polls, and opposition figures in the past have called on the church to play a mediating role between the Kremlin and protesters.
“Because of Putin’s shift to conservatism, the church may feel more emboldened,” Ms. Lipman said. “So Putin does not overemphasize the church in speeches, preferring to concentrate on talk of traditional values. He is wary of boosting its support even higher.”

You have to remember that the Soviet Union was the child of the Jєωs in Russia. In Czarist Russia the vast majority of Russians were serfs and they were Orthodox Christians. Dostoevsky, a Russian writing in the 1800s, saw Russia as having the duty to bring Christianity back to the West. He also saw the Jєωs as having a malevolent presence in his country. Well, Dostoevsky was definitely vindicated by history for his wariness of the Jєωs when the Bolsheviks, led by and funded by Jєωs, slaughtered the Orthodox family of the Czar and established their reign of terror in the land, treating the native Russian people with a brutality that would make Hitler blush.

Really, I've been impressed by Russia's stance on this. I was listening to a Russian intellectual speak on Youtube and he correctly diagnosed the so-called 'Enlightenment' as being the illness that it was, and as leading to the sickness that modern Europe has today. This is significant, because in the West most of the intellectuals are still infatuated with the Enlightenment, and even the Christian / Catholic intellectuals will try and appease both sides, saying that the Enlightenment deserves its name while at the same time saying that we need to return to a Christian society that was pre-Enlightenment. I suppose it's much easier for the Russians to be disillusioned with the Enlightenment because they never really reaped any of its fruits. In the West there is a fear of criticizing the Enlightenment because it is seen as having borne us the fruits of modern science and industry, which apparently are greater than Christianity (though it sounds like worship of Mammon to me). I don't understand why Hitler went for his weird, darwinist, paganist, blond beast ideology, instead of uniting with the Pope. The same with Mussolini, but even more so, because as an Italian he should have known that obedience to the Pope would have benefited him greatly. If either of these men had adopted Catholicism rather than Paganism then I bet they would have been much more successful. To be honest, I'm not that personally opposed to "Fascism". I think a leader like Hitler or Mussolini is precisely what Europe needs to lift it out of the abyss that it is in (Hitler, indeed, lifted Germany out of much of the immorality and decay that it was in, and gave the German people a vision that was at least healthier than the mass prostitution and corruption that Germany had sunk in to), only the leader has to be Catholic and not Pagan. I'm not alone in this belief either. Ever since the time of the French Revolution, Catholics have been hoping for a "Great Monarch", and I'm sure that if the Great Monarch does come the liberals will denounce him as "fascist". I know people here will be quick to despise Hitler and Mussolini, and while they certainly deserve to be despise, it is not for their so-called "totalitarianism". The reason that they are to be despised is that they were not Catholic, because their unabashed claim to power and authority is a breath of fresh air compared to the constant demagoguery of our "democratic" politicians who are really controlled by Jєωιѕн money-tyrants.

Great post!

Monarchs and The Church got us into this mess and I will NOT be governed or submit to any 'King' other than Christ.

Der Führer was a Monarch in all but name, just like the ancient Roman emperors chose to call themselves "Caesar" because they did not want to call themselves "Rex" (King), as they knew that people, like yourself, are very sensitive about names that in reality mean very little.

Christ is King of Kings, Lord of Lords; that title doesn't mean much if there are no Kings for Him to be the King of, and no Lords for Him to be the Lord of. The truth is that we still have Kings / Caesars today - The Rothschild Family - it's just that they hide in the shadows because (1) they are cowards, and (2) they know nobody would accept them as Lord if they brought their face into the light. We all submit to Rulers, whether they be called "King" or "Führer" or "President" or "Supreme Leader of the Democratic People's Republic"; it's how they rule that matters, not what name they brand themselves with.

Der Führer was a Monarch in all but name, just like the ancient Roman emperors chose to call themselves "Caesar" because they did not want to call themselves "Rex" (King), as they knew that people, like yourself, are very sensitive about names that in reality mean very little.

The real difference between a dictatorship and a monarchy is that under a monarchy everything is about bloodline and therefore more often than not you have weak kings and kings who make stupid decisions. Under a dictatorship (at least our modern variant) you have a leader who arises from a mass of people not by bloodline but by his courage and determination.

And there was a reason the French Revolution for instance had fertile ground to plow, and that was the massive poverty under Louis XVI and Marie Antionette at the time, comparable to modern-day Washington D.C. The same could be said of the Russian Revolution. And no I am not a supporter of either one but I will tell the facts on the matter. Some posters act as if Communists or liberals overthrew the regime simply by writing down The Social Contract or The Communist Manifesto, as if the peasants actually read these books. :rolleyes:

Are you referring Obama? Or maybe Putin?

Obama is not a dictator, however irregardless I don't support left-wing politicians.

Courage and determination are two words.

Other words might be ruthlessness, pride and narcissism, a massive appetite for risk taking, readiness to kill or be killed to get to the top position of power, guile, single minded determination bordering on pathological.

In short, normal healthy people with modest appetites and a dollop of humility never start out on the path that leads them to become dictators of countries.

You've also got to bear in mind that chance often co-operates with them for success, and that their success often relies on the skillful use of propaganda and proper funding. The idea that the brave man will naturally rise to the top is romanticist nonsense, of course; it's what Nietzsche espoused, it basically amounts to the ancient Hero Cultism or the Roman Emperor Cult that worshiped the powerful man. Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini; they all did have a some degree of virtue / manliness, it's just that, like you said, the ambition often went to their head. That's one of the reasons why bloodline Monarchies / Nobilities are good; the rulers inherit their power and so they never need be ambitious.

Courage and determination are two words.

Other words might be ruthlessness, pride and narcissism, a massive appetite for risk taking, readiness to kill or be killed to get to the top position of power, guile, single minded determination bordering on pathological.

In short, normal healthy people with modest appetites and a dollop of humility never start out on the path that leads them to become dictators of countries.

I am not surprised. You are simply a coward who only cares for money have no higher ideal besides that, therefore duty and honor means absolutely nothing to you. Fighting Communism and losing your life in the process would scare the socks off of you.

Are you saying that things improved with the freemasons overthrowing the Catholic monarchy of France and with the Jєωιѕн Bolsheviks overthrowing the Orthodox monarchy of Russia?

Of course not. I am a strong anti-liberal and anti-Communist. Please do not put words into my mouth.

Do you know how many millions starved to death under the Soviet regime?

I do yes. I believe under Stalin it was around 22 million people. People also forget however that Lenin started the gulags in the Soviet Union, murdered the czar's entire family, and effected the massacre of millions of Soviet citizens.  

Are you saying that Lenin was brave for bringing about the slaughter of the Czar's family, including its women and children?

Of course not. Lenin and Trotsky were evil, and I do not support revolutions. Both revolutions were also built on a lie, an ideology. The French Revolution said that "mankind is born free but everywhere he is in chains," a line from Rosseau, which was a lie, since man comes into this world dependent, but man did not live freer, longer, or happier up to that time than under the France of Louis XVI. Also Diderot said that "mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." His orders were carried out by Robespierre and Lenin and men were not free under the France of Robespierre and the Russia of Stalin. The same could be said of the Soviet Union which self-proclaimed to be a "worker's paradise" and yet the party had absolute power. In fact the Russian Revolution was based on the French Revolution since Robespierre's great disciple was Lenin.

Actually though it is not surprising that Communists lie since Lenin himself said, "Telling the truth is a bourgeois prejudice."