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« on: May 28, 2011, 10:12:46 AM »
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    The War on Ron Paul
    by Susan Westfall

    Whether the media establishments want to admit it or not, and believe me they don't, Ron Paul IS the 'front runner' for the republican primary. Despite voracious denials and vitriolic arguments from almost every quarter to the contrary, he is the only one with a chance of shutting out Obama for the presidency in 2012. He appeals to all sides of the aisle, and is attracting the much sought after independent swing vote almost as fast as he has the youth of the nation. The Internet is indisputably Ron Paul country as countless polls and google trends have repeatedly shown. The gradual change in political rhetoric flowing out of Washington, D.C. over the last 3 years reflects an explosion of interest in the freedom message he spreads so tirelessly. The continuous growth in popularity of talk and news shows focusing on freedom and the Constitution broadcasts loud and clear the rising prominence of issues he has brought to the debate. For anyone with any powers of discernment, it's a no-brainer.

    So why do media pundits, dime a dozen politicians, and innumerable experts of self-aggrandized consequence spend great swathes of time, effort, and someone's money working so hard to convince the people otherwise? You can't turn on a TV, pick up a paper or surf the Internet without encountering the words "He can't win," or some other lame variation repeated ad nauseam with great gusto. According to all the most acclaimed talking heads, that mythical beast "The Front Runner" has yet to be seen on the horizon and is still to arise from some unknown lair, "blazing a new trail" of GOP fame and success across political skies sometime in the not too distant future. Their blind adherence to this tired refrain boggles the mind. Personally, I can find only one reason for the constant repudiation...fear. Fear of the known...Ron Paul, and fear of the unknown...future largess. The status-quo is cornered and its biggest backers are flailing in desperation through media and political mouthpieces.

    With decades of consistency on record as proof, it is well known by all in Washington that Ron Paul will not compromise his principles for money, power or personal gain. Ron Paul is simply...not for sale. Lobbyists for special interests have never been able to rent his vote. This is such an undisputed reality that they don't even darken the door of his congressional office. His opinion can not be leased by the highest bidder, nor his silence ensured through threats and coercion. He is a man who stands his ground, refusing to back down, flip-flop, or play the political game of corporate footsie that entangles so many on the Hill. This is the kind of strength America not just needs, but deep down hungers for in a president. America does not need a president with the strength to circuмvent law by executive order, ignore Congress and engage in needless conflicts, or break international and common law to achieve a victory. Those who stand to lose the most under a president who would not compromise the peoples' liberties, the Constitution or the rule of law for any reason are deathly afraid of Ron Paul.

    If we apply Donald Rumsfeld's ludicrous scale of measurement, in use long before he popularized the phrase during his tenure as Secretary of Defense, then Ron Paul could aptly be termed a "known, known". Needless to say, much heated discussion has probably occurred in many a smoky back room about this unpleasant reality. Logic tells us that a good number of those rooms might even be located in the Pentagon. Ron Paul has never made a secret of the fact that he would like to: reduce military spending to that needed for defense only; bring the troops home from all foreign bases; and restore foreign affairs to a non-interventionist policy more befitting a Republic that purports to be the shining example of liberty. Accomplishing these goals would of course mean a vast reduction in the present size and budget of the military industrial complex and can be only a cause for apprehension in those quarters. If recent world events are any indication, the threat must be great indeed. In an unprecedented flurry of efficiency the military, under direction of Commander in Chief Obama, has recently not only rescued another country from tyrannical oppression, but tracked down and killed the world's worst terrorist, Osama Binladen, thus proving its undoubted worth and necessity. Unfortunately, the tyrant really isn't gone yet and no one can figure out exactly what happened with the bin laden operation. Nevertheless, we've been assured of the worthiness of our current pedal-to-the-metal monetary support for the military industrial complex. If we haven't then we're obviously unpatriotic and borderline terrorists ourselves.

    Of course no one would actually dare accuse Ron Paul of being unpatriotic. They'd be laughed right off the media stage, no matter how lofty their perch. So the approach is made from a different angle. That of foreign aid. Dr. Paul has clearly stated on numerous occasions that he would cut foreign aid to all countries, not only because of our fiscal situation but also because he believes we should respect the sovereignty of all nations and not try to dictate their policies through bribes or bombs. Cutting foreign aid in and of itself does not seem to be a problem. Polls reflect that a majority of Americans support cuts to foreign aid. However, the idea of cutting all foreign aid brings on an instantaneous and seemingly mass hysteria with regards to Israel. If we dare to look past AIPAC and other lobbyist groups for answers which contain more rational ideas than the usual accusations of anti-semitism, unpatriotic betrayal, or abandonment of democratic friends, informative sources soon surface. In a report by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt of University of Chicago and Harvard University respectively, the "special relationship" between the US and Israel is explained more fully. Surprisingly, the military complex appears to play a weighty role here as well. A brief look at some benefits specific to Israel include: retaining 25% of aid dollars to subsidize its own defense industry instead of spending 100% to subsidize the US defense industry as other countries must do; not having to account for how aid dollars are spent; and being provided " with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems like the Lavi aircraft that the Pentagon did not want or need." There is a plethora of information in just this one report that evidences the detrimental effects of the "special relationship" American taxpayers purchase annually with their foreign aid dollars with what would appear to be little or no benefit to themselves. Interestingly, there is growing evidence of a substantive support in Israel itself for an end to US foreign aid which is seen by many there as "an affront against Israeli liberty and sovereignty, as well as a drain on the development of numerous sectors of the Israeli economy, such as the weapons and biotechnology industries." Based on just the above facts it can be argued that perhaps it's time for the American people to debate the prudence of an industrial complex deciding our military decisions, instead of a decisive military defending our national borders.

    Having hurled their verbal slings and arrows of foreign policy insanity and foreign aid abandonment, most pundits proceed to trot out the next big issue to be refuted...individual liberties. Of course they don't often mention those actual words, but delve deeply right to the perceived heart of the issue...heroin. Ron Paul wants to "legalize heroin" is touted gleefully to choruses of "and prostitution!" A round of smirks is the cue for visions of marauding bands of crazed, drug abusing prostitutes to begin dancing through the viewers' heads and scare them out of ever considering Ron Paul as a viable candidate for anything, much less republican party nominee.   :roll-laugh1:A thinking person might wonder why the fascination and focus on heroin, other than for the shock value of course, whenever individual liberty is mentioned. "Protecting individual liberty," Ron Paul often explains, "is the purpose of all government. Individual liberty is the right to your life, the right to your property and the right to keep the fruits of your labor." With those two simple sentences and a clear constitutional understanding of what they actually mean in regards to federal government overreach, almost everything that the status quo fights to maintain is essentially negated. Is it any wonder the most inflammatory phrases are employed at every opportunity to derail the very idea?

    No matter how much Washington, D.C. wishes to protect Americans from themselves, lift them out of poverty, provide for their well-being, or ensure their safety from dangerous products and enemies, it cannot do so without infringing on their individual liberties and violating the Constitution. The federal government we live with today no longer serves the interests of the American people, but serves the special interests of: corporate cronyism; militarism for profit influence and empire; centrally planned debt management, counterfeiting, fraud and currency debasement. Those who would maintain the status quo, despite its almost certain destructive end, are beginning to realize just how much they have underestimated the power of a quiet, consistent message of truth delivered to the people by a man of principle. A man who would be president not for the power he could wield over the people, but for the power he would give to the people by restoring their Republic. So war has been declared again, but this time the war is on liberty...and Ron Paul.

    May 23, 2011

    Susan Westfall is a mother, a libertarian, and an educator.

    Copyright © 2011 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.

    Matthew 5:37

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    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 10:14:11 AM »
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  • My vote will definitely come down to Ron Paul and Rick Sanctorum. Still undecided but I have another year and a half to make my decision.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 10:40:38 AM »
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  • If Ron Paul gained any significant popularity he would be not long for this world. I am going to pray for his conversion.
    Ron and Rick are as different as night and day.

    Rick has said sufficient prayers to his god, Zion and will be placed in office if the Obama is to be replaced which is not likely, yet.

    No one can stop the zio-comms but our Lord God Himself.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 11:16:18 AM »
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  • The neat thing is that Ron Paul has traditional Catholics working in his office, last I heard. He has a lot better chance to convert than most politicians.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 10:25:01 AM »
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  • Something I recently heard is that Rick Sanctorum supports the Traditional Latin Mass. So he must be a Traditional Catholic, or a semi-Trad at the very least. Interesting.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 10:37:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Something I recently heard is that Rick Sanctorum supports the Traditional Latin Mass. So he must be a Traditional Catholic, or a semi-Trad at the very least. Interesting.


    Yep, but he also believes in endless war with the Middle East. He really needs to look further at this disastrous position.
    Matthew 5:37

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    « Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 10:47:22 AM »
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  • Yes, I agree that the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan are pointless. However, the difference between voting for a Protestant who wants to give freedom to everyone (even gαys) and voting for a Traditional/semi-Trad Catholic who is both anti-abortion and anti-gαy is a pretty clear difference. Both of them are overall good candidates who would oppose the NWO, it's just a matter of choosing which one would be better. I still haven't made my decision yet, as I need to see if Sanctorum would do away with the IRS and Board of Education like Ron Paul intends to do, but I'm definitely considering Sanctorum. We'll see who ends up impressing me more. Right now, I'm leaning towards Sanctorum. But again, I haven't made my decision yet...
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 10:58:40 AM »
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  • Um, believing in murdering innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan and continuing the NWO WAR on the middle east is NOT a Catholic position. Sending our boys over to foreign countries to fight a non-existent enemy, and pumping our boys with vaccines that give them "gulf war syndrome" and cause them to kill themselves is NOT a Catholic position.

    Taking away so-called "hate" crimes is awesome because it is constitutional and goes with "equal protection under the law" as does every other position that Ron Paul espouses. Can you give me one position that Ron Paul has that is against the Constitution (THE Supreme law of the land?)?

    You keep harping about the gαy thing, but he doesn't want to give anymore rights to the gαys than they already have. They have just as many rights as the citizens have, and no more. (AND he wants to eliminate HATE CRIMES which give gαys MORE protection under the law than the average citizen, so ...)

    I don't hear Santorum wanting to get rid of hate crimes. I hear him supporting the policies of the neocons (read GLOBALISTS) regarding the war, which to me is more disturbing than legalizing drugs, and "allowing" gαys in the military.

    Look, if gαys were allowed in the military, and the hate crimes would disappear, there would be a LOT LESS gαyS entering the military, until there were none, since there wouldn't be any EXTRA protections for them at all. If they got beaten the snot out of, the ones doing it would be treated the same as if they beat up a straight person. The policy now, ENABLES gαys to be as perverted as they want and have SPECIAL protections if someone was to beat them up. "You beat me up because I was gαy!" If hate crimes were eliminated, a gαy wouldn't be able to even USE that argument, thereby giving everyone, even the guy that beat him up, EQUAL PROTECTION, as it should be.
    Matthew 5:37

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    « Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 06:11:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    http://lewrockwell.com/orig12/westfall1.1.1.html

    The War on Ron Paul
    by Susan Westfall

    Whether the media establishments want to admit it or not, and believe me they don't, Ron Paul IS the 'front runner' for the republican primary.


    Except that he's not. The Media, the Jєωs and the Elites pick who runs for President not the people. And they will never let a Libertarian leaning sane guy run for President.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 06:32:56 PM »
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  • The latest "poll" has Mormon Mitt as a frontrunner. Even on the "conservative" websites, I can't find a handful of Mormon Mitt supporters. They're fabricating a lead that doesn't exist for him. I find far more Paul supporters all over the place. They're LYING to say that Ron Paul isn't leading.
    Matthew 5:37

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    « Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 07:59:58 PM »
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  • Ron Paul is hard for me to support, why?  He is for for random freedoms, "do whatever".  Ok drugs...rampant, b.c rampant, whoring rampant.  I like the Idea of destroying the FED, UN, NWO etc etc, but a by product of his philosophy is nearly a hedonistic free for all.  

    I still wait for a Catholic monarch.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 08:49:52 AM »
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  • Baskerville is right, they will never let Ron Paul or any other tea party member reach the final Republican spot. And even if Paul were to somehow get in, they'd kill him once he tried to do away with the NWO. They will not let anyone get in their way. They are very sick people and worship lucifer.

    I must agree with TraceG anyway. Ron Paul's position doesn't completely match what a Traditional Catholic would want in a candidate. None of these candidates do come to think of it, but it doesn't matter anyway because they'll never let him make it to the final spot.
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    « Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 08:54:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Taking away so-called "hate" crimes is awesome because it is constitutional and goes with "equal protection under the law" as does every other position that Ron Paul espouses. Can you give me one position that Ron Paul has that is against the Constitution (THE Supreme law of the land?)?

    You keep harping about the gαy thing, but he doesn't want to give anymore rights to the gαys than they already have. They have just as many rights as the citizens have, and no more. (AND he wants to eliminate HATE CRIMES which give gαys MORE protection under the law than the average citizen, so ...)

    I don't hear Santorum wanting to get rid of hate crimes. I hear him supporting the policies of the neocons (read GLOBALISTS) regarding the war, which to me is more disturbing than legalizing drugs, and "allowing" gαys in the military.

    Look, if gαys were allowed in the military, and the hate crimes would disappear, there would be a LOT LESS gαyS entering the military, until there were none, since there wouldn't be any EXTRA protections for them at all. If they got beaten the snot out of, the ones doing it would be treated the same as if they beat up a straight person. The policy now, ENABLES gαys to be as perverted as they want and have SPECIAL protections if someone was to beat them up. "You beat me up because I was gαy!" If hate crimes were eliminated, a gαy wouldn't be able to even USE that argument, thereby giving everyone, even the guy that beat him up, EQUAL PROTECTION, as it should be.


    Sanctorum is anti-gαy. Why wouldn't he take hate crimes away? There's a difference between taking hate crimes away but not making gαy marriage illegal like it should be (Ron Paul's stance) and actually getting to the root of the problem by doing away with gαy marriage (Rick Sanctorum's stance). Anyway, you're missing my point. I never said I had committed to either candidate. Both are good candidates who would make a good President. But it will probably end up being Mitt Romney or that african-american guy (what's his name, Hermain Cain?) that gets the final Repub spot.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 10:25:26 AM »
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    Ron Paul is hard for me to support, why?  He is for for random freedoms, "do whatever".  Ok drugs...rampant, b.c rampant, whoring rampant.  I like the Idea of destroying the FED, UN, NWO etc etc, but a by product of his philosophy is nearly a hedonistic free for all.  

    I still wait for a Catholic monarch.


    We have to look at the big picture. Under libertarianism our Catholic religion could grow unfettered. We could have Catholic practicing areas....a freedom of association that could not be trumped. The ACLU would be off our backs. The federal reserve could loose power to create financial crisis for us. We would have LESS government meddling.

    But like PFT and SS say, they won't let him win. Besides I don't think that modern-styled 'conservatives' can tolerate his pro-legaliization stances.

    Mitt is a has been (and a globalist neo-con, which is the status quo to date) but stay alert, Herman Cain is going to be on the fox propaganda network tonight.
      :smirk:

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    « Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 10:54:25 AM »
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    Ron Paul is hard for me to support, why?  He is for for random freedoms, "do whatever".  Ok drugs...rampant, b.c rampant, whoring rampant.  I like the Idea of destroying the FED, UN, NWO etc etc, but a by product of his philosophy is nearly a hedonistic free for all.  

    I still wait for a Catholic monarch.


    And you think with all these laws we have now that the government is doing a good job of REGULATING the behavior of people? I say get rid of these laws, that are either barely being enforced, or being enforced to the extreme, while the really HUGE problems that are leading people to behave this way in the first place are ignored, and people focus on some non-existent "moral code."

    What do I mean by that? You have all these neoCONS running for president, and they all have a nice little song. They say things like, "I won't let gαys in the military," but in the same breath they talk about "MUSLIMS ARE BAD AND WE MUST CONTINUE FIGHTING TERRORISTS!" thereby justifying the slaughter of millions of people in the Middle East on OUR DIME! They say, "I think we should lower taxes" et cetera, but then they talk about how it's so great that our airports are so secure, that the government can tap our phones and emails, and how the TSA should be able to continue to grope little children and old people, and NON MUSLIMS in the name of "not being a racist." So, they discard the Constitution citing "security" as some red herring, to change it to say, "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT."

    They SAY they're for the "drug war" but they don't even say anything about sealing up the border, and BRINGING OUR TROOPS HOME to actually DEFEND our country from FOREIGN INVADERS while they want to send our troops over to the Middle East, and KEEP them over there indefinitely, while we are pillaged and stolen from within.

    They talk a good talk about "pro life" yet, they make exceptions to that, saying "in cases of the life of the mother" or "rape" or "incest," as if God put a child there by accident and the lives of these are not really lives at all. You have flip floppery going on with all of the neocons. Mitt Romney was an avowed "pro choicer" and when it was politically expedient for him, he changed his position.

    One thing you can NOT say about Ron Paul is that he's not consistent. He's delivered 5,000 babies, and revealed to us all years ago when the so-called "partial birth abortion ban" went out that, "This bill isn't going to save one baby," while all the sanctimonious "pro life" republicans hailed it as a victory and took bragging rights for it. Usury is a sin, and it's actually a sin that's keeping us in bondage in this country. I don't see Hermain Cain't talking about getting rid of the banks (because he used to work for the biggest criminal bank in the world). I don't see Mitt Romney talking about getting rid of the banks (because he is a Wall Street buddy) and neither is Pawlenty (who is ALSO friendly with the crooks on Wall Street.)

    I don't see the candidates talking about removing sex ed from the schools, but if Ron Paul had his way, the LOCALS would be taking care of the schools, as they should, rather than the FEDS.

    Sure, people are not always going to make the RIGHT decision, but isn't that what free will is? At least give the people an opportunity to USE their free will to do the right thing. Isn't that what this country is about? Being FREE to do the right thing or not? The way these socialists on BOTH SIDES are trying to orchestrate things, is that THEY have TOTAL CONTROL over everything we do, from buying raw milk, to taking our biometric identification to put into our IDs when we've done nothing wrong. (That's what it's coming to.)

    If you want the government to keep gaining control over your lives, then fine, vote for someone who is going to keep impinging on that. I'm not going to do it. I haven't done it the entire time I've been of voting age. I didn't vote for Bush either time. I didn't vote for Bob Dole. I didn't vote for John McInsane. No one could scare me out of voting for someone who actually had my best interests in mind. Some corporate stooge or big bank can buy a major party candidate if they get the nod very easily, but Ron Paul won't be purchased. His obligation is to the American people, and not some puppetmasters in the background. If he gets the nomination, we'd better pray that he's not murdered by some scuмbag for the banks.

    I would love to be convinced to vote for anyone else, but so far no one has been able to do so. The entire rest of the field of republicans have major flaws in their positions, that I couldn't possibly support.

    Sure, some of the things that Ron Paul advocates, might seem unsavory, but if you investigate his reasoning, it is very logical and totally jives with the Constitution, and I'd rather support those "unsavory" positions than support someone else that is advocating the opposite, yet their positions on everything else are HORRIBLE.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,