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Offline chaz89

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2012, 10:00:30 AM »
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  • http://www.newswithviews.com/Yates/steven146.htm

    ...Perhaps we should note: at present, Romney’s major campaign contributor is Goldman Sachs; in the 2008 election cycle Obama’s second largest campaign contributor was Goldman Sachs. Today, Romney’s former company Bain Capital is one of the primary owners of Clear Channel, in turn the largest owner of conservative talk radio stations in the country. It is true that Romney no longer runs the company; but he has a financial stake in it worth millions (go here). Is it really that surprising that major conservative voices—or voices that call themselves conservative at any rate—are supporting Romney? Follow the money.

    ...Again, mainstream Republicans controlled Congress from 1994 until 2006. They had every opportunity to do something about abortion besides bloviate on the subject and accept money from pro-life groups. They did nothing. To my mind it seems hypocritical for anyone in the GOP to condemn Ron Paul for declaring abortion to be not a federal responsibility.

    Not much really gets better , no matter what establishment candidate they give us, does it? Same old same old .  Do you think a Gingrich or a Romney , Santorum, etc will be any better than a Bush?  How bout 4 more with Obama? Or we can abstain from voting. They'll probably drag out the highly politicized abortion issue again to corral the Christians but that won't change , will it?  I don't agree with Paul on a number of libertarian views but at least he addresses some pretty major problems.  





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    « Reply #31 on: January 14, 2012, 06:52:36 PM »
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  • Truth or Fiction, I don't know, but would like to know.

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    « Reply #32 on: January 14, 2012, 08:59:14 PM »
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    Zionists fear Ron Paul’s influence on Romney

    Editor’s Note: Zionists are often exceedingly vigilant and alert for the slightest sign of potential opposition, however remote. Here below is an alarm in the New York newspaper Forward, over the prospect of an “anti-semitic" Ron Paul presidency, which might force the Israelis to make peace instead of war: "Israel can’t be defeated if America is actively behind it. Take that away and Israel is just a middle-sized regional power.” Correct. Under a Paul presidency the Israelis would have to learn to live with their neighbors rather than bombing them; what a frightening prospect. There’s more: elephant-memory recall of former George Herbert Walker Bush’s chief of staff, John Sununu, along with bigoted racial paranoia over his Arab roots and possible influence on Romney.


    Reporter J.J. Goldberg fears that Romney will "need Paul not to mount a third-party run, as he did in 1988. An independent Ron Paul campaign would guarantee Obama’s reelection...Romney will need to appease Paul with...promises of administration positions for his allies. A stronger Romney could simply ignore Paul’s surge. But Romney isn’t strong...”


    Ron Paul is a populist in touch with the foreign policy thinking of many Americans, while hawkish Zionists (and that includes all of the other Republican candidates) are out to lunch on foreign policy. One of Goldberg’s charges against Sununu is that he described the 1967 Israeli attack on the naval ship U.S.S. Liberty as “vicious and unprovoked.” This was also the view of America's highest ranking naval officer, Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with the sailors who were on board the U.S.S. Liberty and witnessed the brazen Zionist massacre. Was Admiral Moorer “anti-semitic”?


    Personally I don’t think Mr. Goldberg has much to worry about. If Ron Paul fades in the primaries in the South under withering fire from the Establishment media, Romney can ignore him; and a third party run by Paul could seriously undermine his Republican son Rand’s future in the U.S. Senate. As for Romney himself, no Zionist need be anxious over his supposed tepid allegiance to the Israeli lobby. Romney called on Sununu in order to build his New Hampshire political base, not to begin to craft an even-handed, peace-loving foreign policy in the Middle East. Romney is the quintessential opportunist and no president of that stripe has ever significantly bucked the media influence and Congressional power of The Lobby, and that includes George H.W. Bush.


    Mr. Goldberg’s column is intended to stoke the fires of an even more intense Ron Paul incineration on the part of Zionist media executives. Hopefully they will overplay their hand and the American people will see the degree to which Paul scares the pants off the covert terrorism-industrial complex which continues to bog us down in useless, wastrel foreign wars while making America more enemies around the world.


    Calling the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty a “mistake” is all we need to know about the truthfulness and objectivity of J.J. Goldberg.


    Watch What You Wish For, GOP
    Ron Paul Could Wind Up As Man Behind Mitt's Curtain



    By J.J. Goldberg
    Forward | January 12, 2012

    Now that the New Hampshire GOP primary results are in, pro-Israel Republicans might want to sit back, take a deep breath and do some long, hard thinking. As much as they’d like to see President Obama booted from the White House next fall, they’d be wise to be careful what they wish for. Especially if they were watching television on victory night.

    The operating assumption on the pro-Israel right — and, to be fair, in a healthy chunk of the center — is that Obama is no friend of the Jєωιѕн state. If Israel’s vulnerability keeps you awake at night, it’s natural to want a president who knows how to back our friends and oppose our enemies. That’s certainly how the Republican field presents itself, with the obvious exception of Ron Paul. The narrowing of the field, therefore, has to be a welcome thing for opponents of Obama.

    If you’re accustomed to voting for Democrats, it’s probably a relief to see Mitt Romney emerge as the clear front-runner, given his background as a pro-choice Massachusetts moderate. Conservative Republicans still suspect he has adopted their language for marketing purposes and remains at heart the liberal he was in the Massachusetts governor’s mansion. If so, that should help disaffected Democrats feel comfortable with him.

    After New Hampshire, though, the picture is getting a bit murkier. True, Romney appears all but unbeatable. He’s won twin victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, a one-two punch that no non-incuмbent Republican has ever achieved before. None of his rivals seems even remotely positioned to overtake him.

    On the other hand, he remains a weak favorite, disliked by his party’s powerful evangelical and conservative wings. The fact that he couldn’t break the 40% mark in New Hampshire, right on his home turf, after four years of nonstop campaigning, suggests he’s going to remain the candidate of last resort right up to the convention. A lot of Republicans just don’t like him.

    Which brings us back to Ron Paul. Romney’s weakness gives Paul an unexpected measure of clout. For all his eccentricity, he’s been the surprise of the campaign, electrifying crowds of adoring young enthusiasts and crusty independents who’ve never followed politics before. His impressive showings, a strong third-place in Iowa and second-place in New Hampshire, prove he has the strength to stay in the race racking up delegates until the end. He’ll come to the convention in Tampa next summer well positioned to make demands.

    Romney will ultimately win the nomination. Republicans will decide they have no alternative. To win the general election, though, he’ll need some enthusiasm from the party base. He’ll need his defeated rivals to bring their followers around and unite behind him. Most acutely, he’ll need Paul not to mount a third-party run, as he did in 1988. An independent Ron Paul campaign would guarantee Obama’s reelection.

    In other words, Romney will need to appease Paul with platform planks and perhaps promises of administration positions for his allies. A stronger Romney could simply ignore Paul’s surge. But Romney isn’t strong.

    Paul claims he’s neither anti-Semitic nor anti-Israel. He’s just wary of foreign entanglements. There’s evidence to the contrary, and it’s been well reported: The former aide who says he’s heard Paul say he wished Israel didn’t exist. The extremist and racist newsletters. Paul’s private mutterings aren’t the real problem, though. The problem is his unabashed isolationism. Should he gain real influence, his policy positions would directly endanger Israel. They would broadcast to Israel’s enemies that it no longer enjoys the umbrella of American protection. Remember, that’s the real importance of financial aid to Israel, and of a muscular American foreign policy. Israel can’t be defeated if America is actively behind it. Take that away and Israel is just a middle-sized regional power.

    In the end, of course, it’s presidents that make foreign policy. A Romney White House would reflect the personal convictions of Mitt Romney. Whatever those turn out to be.

    This is what made primary night television coverage so unsettling: the reminders that we don’t really know what Romney believes, and he may have no intention of telling us until he’s inaugurated.

    Of all those reminders, the most chilling was the appearance of former New Hampshire governor John Sununu as a Romney spokesman. For those with long memories, it harkened back to the 1988 election, when Sununu was Republican candidate George H.W. Bush’s national campaign manager. Pro-Israel hawks were beating the drum for Bush that year, warning that Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis was a threat to Israel because Jesse Jackson was prominent in his party. Bush was Israel’s true friend, they said.

    Nobody paid much attention to Sununu until after Election Day, even though the press was reporting some alarming facts about him (I remember, because I wrote the stories). One of the highest-ranking Lebanese Americans in national politics — and the only one then active in Arab-American community affairs — Sununu was also the only one of the 50 governors who refused to sign a 1987 proclamation saluting the 90th anniversary of Zionism and calling on the United Nations to rescind its Zionism-racism resolution. His reasoning was that governors shouldn’t dabble in foreign affairs — though he’d issued proclamations honoring Bastille Day and saluting Polish freedom on Pulaski Day. In 1988 he issued a proclamation honoring the veterans of the U.S.S. Liberty, an American naval vessel mistakenly attacked by Israeli jets in June 1967, causing 34 deaths. Sununu called the attack “vicious and unprovoked.”

    Bush’s Jєωιѕн supporters insisted Sununu’s views didn’t reflect Bush’s. When word came out that Sununu was to be White House chief of staff, they said he wouldn’t be involved in Middle East policy. They said Bush was a devoted friend of Israel. Then we found out he wasn’t.

    We hadn’t seen much of Sununu lately, until Romney went and found him. Or they found each other.

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    « Reply #33 on: January 19, 2012, 10:57:58 AM »
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  • For some reason, I find it really ironic, that people want to pull Ron Paul apart, when the same people that are doing so, pined over George W Bush back in the day, saying that we would be "throwing our vote away" if we didn't vote for him, when it was KNOWN for a LONG TIME that he was a Bonesman, a Freemason, a flip flopper on abortion, et cetera, et cetera.

    I don't see anyone in this race that matches up to Ron Paul. Crap is going to hit the fan. We already know it's not going to be pleasant. We know that no matter who gets in there, we're going to get stormtrooped badly. So... even if there's no chance in hell that Ron Paul is going to win, I'm still going to back him up, and laugh at the people that want to continually bash their heads into a brick wall and wonder why they have a headache, every four years, asking themselves what the heck just happened, when they keep doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

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    « Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 02:08:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    For some reason, I find it really ironic, that people want to pull Ron Paul apart, when the same people that are doing so, pined over George W Bush back in the day, saying that we would be "throwing our vote away" if we didn't vote for him, when it was KNOWN for a LONG TIME that he was a Bonesman, a Freemason, a flip flopper on abortion, et cetera, et cetera.

    I don't see anyone in this race that matches up to Ron Paul. Crap is going to hit the fan. We already know it's not going to be pleasant. We know that no matter who gets in there, we're going to get stormtrooped badly. So... even if there's no chance in hell that Ron Paul is going to win, I'm still going to back him up, and laugh at the people that want to continually bash their heads into a brick wall and wonder why they have a headache, every four years, asking themselves what the heck just happened, when they keep doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

    *inserts two cents*


    This is the part where somebody accuses you of committing a mortal sin for not supporting Romney, since otherwise you are helping abortion, which Romney will do so much to stop.


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    « Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 03:17:22 PM »
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  • Romney and Gingrich...yuck. I wouldn't vote for either one them.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #36 on: January 20, 2012, 10:13:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Romney and Gingrich...yuck. I wouldn't vote for either one them.


    It's strange, they say that Romney is the Mormon, yet Gingrich has multiple wives...
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    « Reply #37 on: January 21, 2012, 10:50:21 AM »
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    Romney and Gingrich...yuck. I wouldn't vote for either one them.


    So your "would be vote" goes to Obama.

    I agree I don't like any of the choices right now, I just wish Jesus would come back and straighten out this world once and for all.  
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    « Reply #38 on: January 21, 2012, 10:50:59 AM »
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    Romney and Gingrich...yuck. I wouldn't vote for either one them.


    It's strange, they say that Romney is the Mormon, yet Gingrich has multiple wives...


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    « Reply #39 on: January 21, 2012, 11:03:17 AM »
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  • Maybe Romney really does want to win.  So the idea that he would be willing to make promises to dissuade Paul from running third party might not seem so far-fetched.  I don't think McCain really cared all that much about winning.  The role of the Republican nominee is to foremost be a place-holder.  Actually winning elections seems like it's secondary priority, and actually representing their voters is probably something they actively avoid doing whenever possible.

    But "conservatives" for the most part are afraid to vote for anyone who would actually represent them.  Perhaps because deep down they aren't really conservatives, they just like playing the part?

    Both the voters and their candidates prefer play acting to genuine political action.

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    « Reply #40 on: January 21, 2012, 03:13:22 PM »
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    So your "would be vote" goes to Obama.


    Well, a vote for Obama or the GOP nominee would be a vote for the NWO either way, unless Paul got the nomination (which he won't). Although, writing Ron's name in wouldn't be such a bad idea...

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    « Reply #41 on: February 01, 2012, 09:52:53 AM »
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  • Flip floppin' Romney.

    Will he stop abortion? You're kidding yourself.

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