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Offline alaric

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Romney wont win.....
« on: September 29, 2012, 07:11:37 PM »
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  • I just don't see it happening, the powers that be put too much into the Obamination to let him fail a second time around and let's face it, the dumbed-down American populace still believe this guy is the second-coming and will pull the lever for this con-artist no matter how bad the state of the economy is in.

    They also are sick  and tired of hearing about being dragged into another Middle-East war against another one of Israel's enemies and this "war on terror" crap.

    The middle/working class is also tired of the disparity between them and the upper one percent, they're done hearing about making "concessions" for business and slick-haired billionaires like Romney and his corporate buddies.

    I think Obama wins either by a narrow margin or in a landslide.

    Romney is done.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 07:15:14 PM »
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  • From LR's blog;

    September 28, 2012
    Why Is Romney Losing?
    Posted by Lew Rockwell on September 28, 2012 08:22 AM
    With the economy tanking, Obama should be tanking, too, but he is winning. Why is that? Romney is a stand-in for the power elite, but so is Obama. Both are Keynesians; both are corporatists; both are torturers and police statists. We can go down the whole, horrific list. Here is the one difference, however, perceived or real: on the margin, Obama seems like less of a warmonger. Of course, the Drone-in-Chief is a warmonger, too, but Romney seems the more bloodthirsty chickenhawk, and even the belligerent American people are not anxious for yet another war of aggression in the Middle East, this time against the ancient civilization of Persia. But here is what I think put the kibosh on Romney's chances: he is the candidate of Netanyahu. That helps with the crazed and bloodthirsty neocons and Christian right, but not with regular people, who are the vast majority. Most Americans, when they saw Mitt's surrogate and his Acme cartoon bomb at the UN, were repelled. And that, finally, is why Obama will probably win.

    UPDATE Chris Stone notes that at Intrade, Romney is falling like a rock.

    UPDATE from Dom Armentano:

    Lew, you are absolutely correct on your explanation for Romney's plunge. I've been telling everyone who will listen (not many these days) that independents have shifted away from Romney at the margin precisely because of his war rhetoric. After all, nothing else has really changed since the conventions. But clearly independents (and some Republicans) have decided, correctly perhaps, that Iran war chances increase with Mitt. My back-of-seat judgment: Ron would be up 5 points on the socialist/fascist in the WH if he somehow had been nominated.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 07:17:10 PM »
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  • With Romney we get free trade, a war with Iran, and a bad economy anyway.

    With Obama we get government programs, a possible war with Iran, and a bad economy anyway.


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    « Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 07:25:20 PM »
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  • And under Obama I would assume we get more abortion and 'gαy marriage' as well.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 07:27:13 PM »
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  • With Obama, we seem to get someone who isn't so eager to say "How Hi?" when the Israeli's say "Jump"! I think Obama has been giving Bibi fits since he's been in the WH.........and at least that is enjoyable.

    Romney is a total Jєω-stooge who will do his masters bidding at the drop of a hat.

    Romney assures Israel we will totally support them on the Iranian issue.

    Obama calls their bluff;


    Has Obama Called Bibi's Bluff?

    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    With all his warnings of Iran's "nuclear capability," of red lines being crossed, of "breakout," of the international community failing in its duty, of an "existential threat" to Israel, what is the prime minister's game?

    The answer is apparent. Bibi wants Iran's nuclear program shut down, all enrichment ended, all enriched uranium removed and guarantees that Iran will never again start up a nuclear program.

    And if Tehran refuses to surrender its right even to a peaceful nuclear program, he wants its nuclear facilities, especially the enrichment facility at Fordow, deep inside a mountain, obliterated.

    And he wants us to do it.

    How has Bibi gone about getting America to fight Israel's war?

    He is warning, indeed threatening, that if we do not set a date certain for Iran to end enrichment of uranium, and assure Israel that we will attack Iran if it rejects our ultimatum, Israel will bomb Iran and start the war itself.

    Fail to give us assurances that you will attack Iran if Iran refuses to surrender its nuclear "capability," Bibi is warning, and we will attack Iran, with all the consequences that will have for you, for us and for the Middle East.

    This is diplomatic extortion.

    Thus far, Obama has called Bibi's bluff, assuming it is a bluff.

    The United States has refused to set a date certain by which Iran must end all enrichment. Hillary Clinton said this weekend that we are "not setting deadlines." And the election, which could give Obama a free hand to pursue his own timetable and terms for a deal with Tehran, is only eight weeks off.

    If Obama, no fan of Bibi, wins, he can tell Bibi: We oppose any Israeli pre-emptive strike. If you attack Iran, we will not support you. Nor will we follow up an Israeli attack with an American attack.

    Bibi's dilemma: Despite his threats of Israeli strikes on Iran, Tehran is taunting him. His Cabinet is divided. The Shas Party in his coalition opposes a war, as do respected retired generals, former Mossad leaders and President Shimon Peres.

    And the Americans have sent emissaries, including Secretary Leon Panetta, to tell Bibi we oppose an Israeli attack. The Pentagon does not want war. Three former U.S. Central Command heads oppose a war. And last week, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey said he does not wish to be "complicit" in any Israeli attack.

    Implied in the word "complicit" is that Dempsey believes an Israeli first strike on Iran could be an act of aggression.

    The Israelis were furious, but suddenly the war talk subsided.

    From the clashes, public and private, between these two close allies, it is apparent the United States shares neither Israel's assessment of the threat nor Israel's sense of urgency.

    Why not? Why, when Netanyahu says Israel is facing an "existential threat," do the Americans dismiss it?

    The first reason is the elephant in the room no one mentions: Israel's own nuclear arsenal. If Fordow is a difficult target for Israel to destroy with conventional air strikes, it could be annihilated with a single atom bomb.

    And Israel has hundreds.

    Indeed, if Israel has ruled out use of an atomic weapon, even when it says its very existence is threatened, and neoconservatives claim that Iran's mullahs are such death-wishing fanatics they cannot be deterred even by nuclear weapons, what is Israel's awesome atomic arsenal for?

    What this suggests is that the Israelis do not believe what they are saying. Their nuclear deterrent is highly credible to all their neighbors. Their existence is not in imminent peril. And the mullahs are not madmen.

    When Ronald Reagan was about to take the oath, suddenly those mullahs, assessing that the new American president might be a man of action, not just words, had all the U.S. hostages winging their way home.

    When the USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988, the Ayatollah Khomeini, founding father of the Islamic Republic, ended his war with Iraq on unfavorable terms, fearing America was about to intervene on the side of Saddam Hussein.

    Like all rulers, good and evil, Iran's leaders want to preserve what they have – families, homes, lives, privileges, possessions, power. When ѕυιcιdє missions are ordered, you do not read of ayatollahs or of Iranian politicians driving the truck or wearing the vest.

    Moreover, the latest report of the international inspectors reveals that while Iran increased its supply of uranium enriched to 20 percent since last spring, an even larger share of that 20-percent uranium has been diverted to make fuel plates for Iran's U.S.-provided research reactor to make medical isotopes.

    If there is no reason to go to war with Iran, there is every reason not to go to war. Notwithstanding the alarmist rhetoric of Bibi and Ehud Barak, President Obama should stand his ground. And on this one, Gov. Romney should stand with the president, not the prime minister.

    September 11, 2012

    Patrick J. Buchanan [send him mail] is co-founder and editor of The American Conservative. He is also the author of seven books, including Where the Right Went Wrong, and Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War. His latest book is ѕυιcιdє of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025? See his website.



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    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 07:34:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    And under Obama I would assume we get more abortion and 'gαy marriage' as well.
    Do you really think we'll get any less under Romney?

    The guy is all about pro-big business and making a buck, these people are placating homos more than anyone these days.  Look at his track record on fαɢɢօtry,do you really believe that he will all of the sudden go on an anti-queer crusade?

    Catholics and anti-queer sentmentalist need to wake up, this guy isn't going to stop anything about the homo agenda, it will be staus quo, just like abortion.

    Mitt Romney is not a Catholic or even a Christian for that matter and he's no conservative.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 07:36:12 PM »
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  • Yes I agree with that analysis. Good article by the way, I remember reading that a while back.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 07:46:13 PM »
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  • Buchanan's always had some good stuff, he's about as close to a real "conservative"  in a writer as you can get these days. He also comes real close to naming the Judaics as the major part of our problems but never crosses the line, he knows ultimately where his paychecks come form.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 07:50:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: alaric
    Buchanan's always had some good stuff, he's about as close to a real "conservative"  in a writer as you can get these days. He also comes real close to naming the Judaics as the major part of our problems but never crosses the line, he knows ultimately where his paychecks come form.


    He gets pretty close with these lines:

    "During World War II Jєωιѕн-Americans clamored to smash Hitler's regime."

    "Charles Lindbergh said that Jєωs in Hollywood and the press tried to get America into World War II."

    "After World War II Jєωιѕн domination of our foreign policy became an obsession with American leaders."

    "I have to question whether diesel engine fuel can kill people?"

    "If you want to know ethnicity and power in the United States Senate, 13 members of the Senate are Jєωιѕн folks who are from 2 percent of the population. That is where real power is at….”

    "Perhaps this endless search for nαzι war criminals, these endless re-enactments, on stage and screen, of Hitler’s cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs are good for the soul. To what end, however, all this wallowing in the atrocities of a dead regime when there is scarcely a peep of protest over the prison camps, the labor camps, the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs operating now in China and Siberia, in Cuba and Vietnam."

    "Those of us in childhood during the war years were introduced to Hitler only as a caricature…Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him. But Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."


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    « Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 08:16:27 PM »
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  • Anyway it seems to yet again be another election where one cannot vote.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 10:04:24 PM »
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  • Sheriff Arpaio, I do believe, proved that Obama's birth certificate is a phony.  Therefore Obama is an illegal.  Therefore he should be sent back where? Or sent to jail in Tent City wearing pink boxer shorts.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 01:46:11 PM »
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    I just don't see it happening, the powers that be put too much into the Obamination to let him fail a second time around and let's face it, the dumbed-down American populace still believe this guy is the second-coming and will pull the lever for this con-artist no matter how bad the state of the economy is in.

    They also are sick  and tired of hearing about being dragged into another Middle-East war against another one of Israel's enemies and this "war on terror" crap.

    The middle/working class is also tired of the disparity between them and the upper one percent, they're done hearing about making "concessions" for business and slick-haired billionaires like Romney and his corporate buddies.

    I think Obama wins either by a narrow margin or in a landslide.

    Romney is done.


    Romney probably knew he was done before he started. It's all a set up. Let's pay attention to what they do but concentrate on the resurrection of the Church because it is hence that they will all be handed their defeat.


    Like Bush I in 1992, he was set to run, but not intended to win at all......he was so lax in his run, it was obvious.......more farce of False Candidate I, False Candidiate II.....the most, will raise Boy Wonder/ElRoy's stake in future (aka Paul Ryan)
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    « Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 01:51:47 PM »
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     A Pew research report yesterday
        indicates that 51% to 61% of so-called 'catholics' will
        continue to support Satan's party.  That should not be a
        surprise having watched the 'Give us Barrabas - away with
        the Christ' vote in NC recently.  It would indicate the horrific
        'state of affairs' in all the churches in our day.  I am more
        certain now than ever before that were Moses to descend
        the mountain into the world today - the scene which greeted
        him at the foot of Mt Sinai would be precisely the same.

        While we may not expect the same 'corrective action' taken
        by the Almighty on that occasion, perhaps if we were to
        'ask for something' it would begin with a prayer that 'those
        people' who are obviously 'possessed' would have a 'change
        of heart and mind and soul'.  We might also 'ask' that more
        than a 'sufficient number' might be struck blind, deaf, mute
        and paralyzed for 40 days.


    Regarding people "possessed," what we need is an exorcism! And that's
    what the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of
    Mary is all about. Our Lady is the destroyer of all heresies.

    And as for the so-called Catholic supporters of "satan's party," it seems
    to me that a temporary blindness, deafness, dumbness and paralysis
    would not stop most of them from casting their vote on election day!!
    They would receive the greatest sympathy from their liberal friends and
    assistance to vote as handicapped persons. (If they can get DEAD
    people to vote, why not these???!!!)

    After the debate last night, where Romney showed himself to be a most
    able opponent to Obamanation, I was actually surprised to hear callers
    on radio talk shows saying that they were happy to see B.O. "win."  For
    some, the most obvious things are not observable.

    A final, chilling thought, just as in the day of Moses, when the Israelites
    who had been freed from the bondage of Egypt were wont to return to
    the pagan worship of idols, so to, there are some today who would be
    wont to return to their state of possession after exorcism! "And coming
    he findeth [the house] empty, swept and garnished. Then he goeth,and
    taketh with him 7 other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter
    in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is made worse than than
    the first. So it shall be also to this wicked generation" (Matt. xii. 44-45 DRV).




         
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    « Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 02:02:41 PM »
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  • equal number stated Romney "won", usually, boilsdown to whose your guy=who won....

    for me, no one is winning in this.....
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    « Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 02:05:25 PM »
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  • Also from now on we must choose sides. Either we are
    for God or we are for the devil. There is no other possibility.”
    ... Sister Lucy of Fatima speaking
    to Father Fuentes, December 26,
    1957.
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