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Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 03:13:28 PM »
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  • Here InfiniteFaith, read this and you'll see why Trads don't like Jews:

    http://biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#Table
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 03:30:31 PM »
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    Ron Paul does not want to support Israel. If Israel were attacked then Ron Paul would do nothing. Is that what the Catholic stance on Israel is?


    You're putting words in Paul's mouth, he never said that. And the Catholics don't want anything to do with Israel. If you read the "protocols of the Zionist Jews" you would see why. In fact, let me give you that link to prove it...


    OK well....some people seem to think He is. I don't know for sure, but I have been under the impression that he is.


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    « Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 03:31:32 PM »
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  • Edit: I see you read them, so never mind.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #18 on: February 12, 2012, 03:34:27 PM »
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    Here InfiniteFaith, read this and you'll see why Trads don't like Jews:

    http://biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#Table


    Can you say that all Jews fall into this "Zionist" category? From my understanding, your article seems to be pointing towards a Jєωιѕн agenda for world domination. While I am not disagreeing that some Jews may think this....can you really say that all Jews have this understanding?

    Also, there are Catholics who would be thrilled at the idea of world Catholic domination. I would be willing to bet that there have been members of the Catholic hierarchy who have plotted against politicians etc. for the same reasons the Jews have. Doesn't mean all of us are in on it.

    Who would you rather see have possession of the Holy Land? The Jews or the Muslims?

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    « Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 03:37:38 PM »
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  • Also, what official Catholic docuмent states that the Catholic Church does not hold any interest in Israel?

    Don't you think the Crusades are an example of the Catholic Church protecting Israel?


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    « Reply #20 on: February 12, 2012, 03:38:32 PM »
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  • Here's the thing, InfiniteFaith. It is the ʝʊdɛօ-Masons (the Jєωιѕн Freemasons) that want world domination. Not all Jews are in on it, true, but Israel is full of Jєωιѕн Masons. Prophecies also state that the Antichrist will rise in Israel.

    The Catholics are for the Social Kingship of Christ, which is what should be implemented. The Jєωιѕн Masons are for the Antichrist. So there is quite a difference there. I'm going to point two protocols in case you missed then.

    PROTOCOL No. 7
    1. The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces - are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers.

    2. Throughout all Europe, and by means of relations with Europe, in other continents also, we must create ferments, discords and hostility. Therein we gain a double advantage. In the first place we keep in check all countries, for they will know that we have the power whenever we like to create disorders or to restore order. All these countries are accustomed to see in us an indispensable force of coercion. In the second place, by our intrigues we shall tangle up all the threads which we have stretched into the cabinets of all States by means of the political, by economic treaties, or loan obligations. In order to succeed in this we must use great cunning and penetration during negotiations and agreements, but, as regards what is called the "official language," we shall keep to the opposite tactics and assume the mask of honesty and complacency. In this way the peoples and governments of the GOYIM, whom we have taught to look only at the outside whatever we present to their notice, will still continue to accept us as the benefactors and saviours of the human race.

    UNIVERSAL WAR
    3. We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.

    4. The principal factor of success in the political is the secrecy of its undertakings: the word should not agree with the deeds of the diplomat.

    5. We must compel the governments of the GOYIM to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called "Great Power" - THE PRESS, WHICH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE DISREGARDED, IS ALREADY ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS.

    6. In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan. (The Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905; Japan; Iraq and Afghanistan - Ed.).

    And then:

    PROTOCOL No. 17
    1. The practice of advocacy produces men cold, cruel, persistent, unprincipled, who in all cases take up an impersonal, purely legal standpoint. They have the inveterate habit to refer everything to its value for the defense and not to the public welfare of its results. They do not usually decline to undertake any defense whatever, they strive for an acquittal at all costs, caviling over every petty crux of jurisprudence and thereby they demoralize justice. For this reason we shall set this profession into narrow frames which will keep it inside this sphere of executive public service. Advocates, equally with judges, will be deprived of the right of communication with litigants; they will receive business only from the court and will study it by notes of report and docuмents, defending their clients after they have been interrogated in court on facts that have appeared. They will receive an honorarium without regard to the quality of the defense. This will render them mere reporters on law-business in the interests of justice and as counterpoise to the proctor who will be the reporter in the interests of prosecution; this will shorten business before the courts. In this way will be established a practice of honest unprejudiced defense conducted not from personal interest but by conviction. This will also, by the way, remove the present practice of corrupt bargain between advocation to agree only to let that side win which pays most .....

    WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY
    2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.

    3. When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bƖσσdshɛd. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place. (Karl Rothschild acted as "peacemaker" between the Vatican and her enemies, loaning the Vatican five million pounds in a period of difficulty. Gregory XVI conferred a Papal decoration on Kalman Rothschild since when Rothschilds have been "Guardians of the Vatican Treasury").

    4. THE KING OF THE JEWS WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH

    5. But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM . . .

    6. In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to CONVICT State affairs, religions, incapacities of the GOYIM, always using the most unprincipled expressions in order by every means to lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practiced by the genius of our gifted tribe . . . (Calling the Jim Jones massacre in Guyana a mass ѕυιcιdє, not a C.I.A./MK-ULTRA/U.S. Government massacre? Denying the massacre of the Branch Dravidian sect at Waco, Texas, was a needless and deliberate massacre by the B.A.T.F./F.B.I/C.I.A/U.S. Government).

    7. Our kingdom will be an apologia of the divinity Vishnu, in whom is found its personification - in our hundred hands will be, one in each, the springs of the machinery of social life. We shall see everything without the aid of official police which, in that scope of its rights which we elaborated for the use of the GOYIM, hinders governments from seeing. In our programs ONE-THIRD OF OUR SUBJECTS WILL KEEP THE REST UNDER OBSERVATION from a sense of duty, on the principle of volunteer service to the State. It will then be no disgrace to be a spy and informer, but a merit: unfounded denunciations, however, will be cruelly punished that there may be no development of abuses of this right.

    8. Our agents will be taken from the higher as well as the lower ranks of society, from among the administrative class who spend their time in amusements, editors, printers and publishers, booksellers, clerks, and salesmen, workmen, coachmen, lackeys, et cetera. This body, having no rights and not being empowered to take any action on their own account, and consequently a police without any power, will only witness and report: verification of their reports and arrests will depend upon a responsible group of controllers of police affairs, while the actual act of arrest will be performed by the gendarmerie and the municipal police. Any person not denouncing anything seen or heard concerning questions of polity will also be charged with and made responsible for concealment, if it be proved that he is guilty of this crime.

    9. JUST AS NOWADAYS OUR BRETHREN, ARE OBLIGED AT THEIR OWN RISK TO DENOUNCE TO THE KAHAL APOSTATES OF THEIR OWN FAMILY or members who have been noticed doing anything in opposition to the KAHAL, SO IN OUR KINGDOM OVER ALL THE WORLD IT WILL BE OBLIGATORY FOR ALL OUR SUBJECTS TO OBSERVE THE DUTY OF SERVICE TO THE STATE IN THIS DIRECTION.

    10. Such an organization will extirpate abuses of authority, of force, of bribery, everything in fact which we by our counsels, by our theories of the superhuman rights of man, have introduced into the customs of the GOYIM .... But how else were we to procure that increase of causes predisposing to disorders in the midst of their administration? .... Among the number of those methods one of the most important is - agents for the restoration of order, so placed as to have the opportunity in their disintegrating activity of developing and displaying their evil inclinations - obstinate self-conceit, irresponsible exercise of authority, and, first and foremost, venality.
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    « Reply #21 on: February 12, 2012, 03:43:35 PM »
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  • So we see from the two protocols I listed that the Jєωιѕн Masons are responsible for universal war and for the crisis in the Church.

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    Also, what official Catholic docuмent states that the Catholic Church does not hold any interest in Israel?


    A Church docuмent is not needed to show that Traditional Catholics do not support Israel. What the Church does say, however, is that the Jews will not be saved. Some people have even gone as far as to say that the Jews are the biggest enemy of the Church, which makes sense once you read the protocols.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #22 on: February 12, 2012, 03:51:18 PM »
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    So we see from the two protocols I listed that the Jєωιѕн Masons are responsible for universal war and for the crisis in the Church.

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    Also, what official Catholic docuмent states that the Catholic Church does not hold any interest in Israel?


    A Church docuмent is not needed to show that Traditional Catholics do not support Israel. What the Church does say, however, is that the Jews will not be saved. Some people have even gone as far as to say that the Jews are the biggest enemy of the Church, which makes sense once you read the protocols.


    I wouldn't be surprised if people like this are responsible for the child molestation scandals being pinned on the Catholic Church. Child molesters exist everywhere, and it is not just in the Catholic Church. Nor is it more common in the Catholic Church than anywhere else.

    I will say that these protocols call to mind this one Jew I know of. He has no college degree or anything, but always seems to find a job that pays like $150,000/year in the banking industry. Im pretty confident that the reason why this guy gets jobs like these is because he knows people in the right places.

    If you would allow me to be the Great Catholic Monarch...I might put a stop to all of this   :smirk:


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    « Reply #23 on: February 12, 2012, 04:19:40 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.


    Ron Paul does not want to support Israel. If Israel were attacked then Ron Paul would do nothing. Is that what the Catholic stance on Israel is?
    If Israel is attacked? No one is attacking Israel, least of all Iran.

    But Israel through it's Mossad is killing Iranian scientists as well as perpetuating a global war against Iran through the use of it's Western allies with it's economic and political influence and PAC lobbys.

    Israel routinely commits genocide against Palestinians and it's Arab neighbors.

    The U.S. does nothing.

    Is that what the Catholic stance on middle east affairs is?

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    « Reply #24 on: February 12, 2012, 04:20:25 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.


    Ron Paul does not want to support Israel. If Israel were attacked then Ron Paul would do nothing. Is that what the Catholic stance on Israel is?
    If Israel is attacked? No one is attacking Israel, least of all Iran.

    But Israel through it's Mossad is killing Iranian scientists as well as perpetuating a global war against Iran through the use of it's Western allies with it's economic and political influence and PAC lobbys.

    Israel routinely commits genocide against Palestinians and it's Arab neighbors.

    The U.S. does nothing.

    Is that what the Catholic stance on middle east affairs is?

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    « Reply #25 on: February 12, 2012, 06:34:30 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.


    Ron Paul does not want to support Israel. If Israel were attacked then Ron Paul would do nothing. Is that what the Catholic stance on Israel is?
    If Israel is attacked? No one is attacking Israel, least of all Iran.

    But Israel through it's Mossad is killing Iranian scientists as well as perpetuating a global war against Iran through the use of it's Western allies with it's economic and political influence and PAC lobbys.

    Israel routinely commits genocide against Palestinians and it's Arab neighbors.

    The U.S. does nothing.

    Is that what the Catholic stance on middle east affairs is?


    I am not sure of what conspiracy theories you have been subjecting yourself to. I would say if the Vatican were to support Israel in any kind of conflict...it would be because we are protecting Holy Land. We would not want the Muslims to control this territory, and would much rather have Jews there.

    Why do you say the Jews are committing genocide with Palestinians? How is that genocide?


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    « Reply #26 on: February 12, 2012, 07:57:02 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.


    This is absolutely correct.  This is the main reason I am supporting
    Paul.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.


    Ron Paul does not want to support Israel. If Israel were attacked then Ron Paul would do nothing. Is that what the Catholic stance on Israel is?
    If Israel is attacked? No one is attacking Israel, least of all Iran.

    But Israel through it's Mossad is killing Iranian scientists as well as perpetuating a global war against Iran through the use of it's Western allies with it's economic and political influence and PAC lobbys.

    Israel routinely commits genocide against Palestinians and it's Arab neighbors.

    The U.S. does nothing.

    Is that what the Catholic stance on middle east affairs is?


    There is no Catholic stance on Israel specifically, and there should not be.  Ti is a country, like any other.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #28 on: February 12, 2012, 08:34:42 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.

    SS, would you mind posting a link to the sermon? I would like to hear it (and maybe send it to some friends of mine who are inclined to vote for Santorum). For me, if Santorum abandoned his positions on torture, preventive war, and targeted killings of civilians, he'd be a fine candidate.

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    InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

    So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.

    SS, would you mind posting a link to the sermon? I would like to hear it (and maybe send it to some friends of mine who are inclined to vote for Santorum). For me, if Santorum abandoned his positions on torture, preventive war, and targeted killings of civilians, he'd be a fine candidate.


    Not sure what you mean by preventive war. But if you are suggesting he wants to avoid all conflict then that would contradict what I have been reading about. He thinks the Obama Administration is being too soft on Iran, and He has also been supporting the war on terror the entire time.

    Do you have a source for what you are saying about that and targeted killings?