Author Topic: Rick Santorum or Ron Paul (Read 10603 times)

Emerentiana · « **on:** January 22, 2012, 06:24:19 PM »

This is a very good video. Good guidelines for us.

Nishant · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:58:46 AM »

I know only a little about Dr.Paul, I think he'd be a good President of the US, but since Dr.Woods is doing the lecturing, let me say this.

I like Tom Woods, actually, he is a good writer. However the fact is that he, like Ron Paul, is a libertarian, and that involves dissent from the Catholic social teaching of the time of Pope Leo XIII downward. Dr.Woods himself knows he disagrees with Papal teaching and says so.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2012, 02:41:12 PM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

I know only a little about Dr.Paul, I think he'd be a good President of the US, but since Dr.Woods is doing the lecturing, let me say this.

I like Tom Woods, actually, he is a good writer. However the fact is that he, like Ron Paul, is a libertarian, and that involves dissent from the Catholic social teaching of the time of Pope Leo XIII downward. Dr.Woods himself knows he disagrees with Papal teaching and says so.

Nis,
The best we can do now is pick a man for the presidency that is not influenced by the Zionists. To my knowledge, hes the only one.
Our country was not founded on Catholic social principles. it began as a freemasonic republic.
Our choice is, do we want to save our status quo, or become a zionist NWO state?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2012, 04:00:48 AM »

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I know only a little about Dr.Paul, I think he'd be a good President of the US, but since Dr.Woods is doing the lecturing, let me say this.

I like Tom Woods, actually, he is a good writer. However the fact is that he, like Ron Paul, is a libertarian, and that involves dissent from the Catholic social teaching of the time of Pope Leo XIII downward. Dr.Woods himself knows he disagrees with Papal teaching and says so.

Any Catholic who plays the Zionist's game is dissenting from Church teachings.

I don't care if a man serves at Mass every week, is a member of the Holy Name Society, teaches 1st Communion classes, and wears a hair-shirt. I won't vote for him because he's aiding the sworn enemies of his God and the Church he claims to serve.

I'll vote for a non-catholic Libertarian like Paul who's pretty consistent any day over a man like that.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2012, 07:51:30 AM »

Ron Paul.

Nishant · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:13:58 AM »

Catholic Samurai and Emerentiana, to me it is simple. Any Catholic who chooses Ron Paul must understand clearly that libertarianism is incompatible with Catholic teaching and choose him for other reasons. It is the same with Rick Santorum and Zionism.

My real disagreement is with Tom Woods, the person lecturing in the video here. As Chris Ferrara put it,

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"Now it is one thing, Tom, to express your opinion—your erring opinion—that in pronouncing on matters of economic and social justice the Popes have exceeded what you consider to be the limits of their competence, even if the Popes themselves, answering dissenters like yourself, have insisted on their right and duty to pronounce on precisely such matters.

But it is quite another thing to claim, as you do, that you are exercising legitimate freedom in the Church—no, you are not—and, far worse, to engage in a campaign to persuade faithful Catholics that what your Institute preaches—a form of economic and social liberalism condemned by a long line of Popes (cf. Pius XI, Ubi Arcano Dei, n. 61)—is “perfectly compatible” with traditional Roman Catholicism."

That is the Mises institute, by the way.

Likewise, Zionism is among the greatest errors of our age and has already enveloped almost completely the Protestant sects, perhaps not too unpredictably. But it is truly sad that a confessing Catholic who participates in the traditional Latin Mass cannot see through it. I hope at least that he doesn't hold outright a full theological Zionism, which effectively denies that the Catholic Church is the new Israel.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:18:56 AM »

Even Chris Ferrara admits Paul is the best of the GOP field.

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0131-ferrara-romney.htm

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But Ron Paul is the only candidate for the Republican Party nomination who is not robotically programmed to launch America’s next unjust war while maintaining our nation’s utterly preposterous enchainment to Israel.

No one is more critical of libertarian error and nonsense than this Remnant columnist, but given the field of liberals that American politics has always been, in this election Paul is far and away the liberal who will do us the least harm. And unlike the serial philanderer Gingrich, Paul is a genuinely decent man, concerning whom even the ultra-sensitive nostrils of the media jackals have been unable to detect so much as a whiff of scandal. In the rogues gallery of American party politics that is saying quite a lot.

Nishant · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:26:46 AM »

Stevus, thanks for the information. I'd say it seems that in politics, the choice is often between the least of several evils.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2012, 12:57:51 AM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

Catholic Samurai and Emerentiana, to me it is simple. Any Catholic who chooses Ron Paul must understand clearly that libertarianism is incompatible with Catholic teaching and choose him for other reasons. It is the same with Rick Santorum and Zionism.

Actually, the ideals and policies that RP advocates is more in line with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Fundamentally, these ideals are dignity of people, sovereignty of people and a nation, peace, no preemptive wars, opportunity for a decent life for person and family, etc.

RP does not advocate policies that would impose itself onto the population resulting in sinful behavior. This is key. Freedom is left to the individual and nation. What people do with their freedom is between them and the Lord. The policies of the other candidates actually impose itself onto the people, forcing them to either support or engage in sinful behavior. A classic example is the ongoing wars and the future wars the other neocon Zionist candidates desire to wage against Iran and Syria. Another example (among many) is tax dollars funding Planned Parenthood. The Rep Party, in 2011, along with the Dem Party, voted in favor of federal funding PP. The Republicans sold out so they could get a budget agreement with the Democrats. It shows their (Reps and Dems) only true concern is advancing the agenda of their Masters - the Banksters, MIC and corporate cronies. Their rhetoric might be different, but they are essentially the same party once they get into public office.

Nishant · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2012, 04:45:53 AM »

The Catechism of the Catholic Church? You mean the 1994 one written under Pope John Paul II, ascent? Well, even that compendium says things like,

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2210 The importance of the family for the life and well-being of society13 entails a particular responsibility for society to support and strengthen marriage and the family. Civil authority should consider it a grave duty "to acknowledge the true nature of marriage and the family, to protect and foster them, to safeguard public morality, and promote domestic prosperity."14

2211 The political community has a duty to honor the family, to assist it, and to ensure especially:

- the protection of the stability of the marriage bond and the institution of the family

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- the protection of security and health, especially with respect to dangers like drugs, pornography, alcoholism, etc.

I need hardly add that the traditional teaching of the Church has been, if anything, far stricter. So I just don't think the statement, "policies that would impose itself onto the population resulting in sinful behavior... What people do with their freedom is between them and the Lord" is an accurate representation of how the Catholic Church views and has always viewed the role of the civil State.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2012, 04:01:25 PM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

Catholic Samurai and Emerentiana, to me it is simple. Any Catholic who chooses Ron Paul must understand clearly that libertarianism is incompatible with Catholic teaching and choose him for other reasons. It is the same with Rick Santorum and Zionism.

Most Catholics who support him DO support him for reasons besides his libertarianism. I am not a libertarian, yet I support Ron Paul because his views are actually more Catholic than the views of the other two Catholics in the GOP field (Santorum and Gingrich).

Nishant · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2012, 04:51:06 AM »

Yup, that's what I meant and that's cool. I have no decided opinion on the race, I only know for certain that the Church has condemned libertarianism in the strongest terms though some professing Catholics wish to revive it.

As Chris Ferrara said,

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"Who knows how many members of the Church, searching in good faith for answers in this age of radical evil, will be led by “Catholic libertarian” propaganda away from the Magisterium’s socially salvific doctrine on the Kingship of Christ and toward the “moral, legal, and social modernism” which, as Pius XI declares in Ubi Arcano Dei, “We condemn, no less decidedly than We condemn theological modernism.”

chaz89 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2012, 06:47:42 AM »

Do you honestly think that if Ron Paul is actually elected that his libertarian beliefs would really be implemented? He is a living breathing antithesis to the good ole boy network currently in office.

RonCal26 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2012, 10:31:51 AM »

Dr. Ronald Paul is going to what JFK planned to do----disestablish the Federal Reserve and remove the idea of a centralized bank in our country. There's a docuмentary featuring Ron Paul which demonstrates that JFK wanted to remove the Federal Reserved until he was gunned down in Dallas, Texas.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2012, 11:35:21 AM »

Three of a kind.