I like how Ron Paul is against hate crimes, but it doesn't change the fact that he's not totally against gαys. Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of his views. But I still have an issue with him giving gαys freedom and for legalizing pot. I understand what you're saying about legalizing it, but I don't know, then you'd have to worry about more than twice as many people being high and doing bad stuff. Just my 2 cents...

I'm sorry but you have obviously been corrupted by liberalism. People do not buy things 'because they are illegal' that is contrary to all economic theory, it is also contrary to why gangs sell it.

Gangs do not sell things unless there was already a demand for it. The demands comes from kids telling other kids that they got high and that the high was fun. They generally don't mention the side effects of the bad trip, hallunicinations etc because they think it'd be funny to see it happen to someone.

I am reformed, but I was gang connected a decade ago or so. I also was involved in drugs. I tried marijuana when I was 15, and it wasn't 'because it was illegal' it was because others were doing it and I tried it. This led to a very bad and violent life.

The belief that those who smoke marijuana are pacive is a very recent propaganda. When you here stories about gang bangers shooting someone you should remember that they smoke marijuana every day. I have seen those who were hooked on marijuana who have snapped on people violently to the point of near death. I have seen them steal to get more. I have seen them use marijuana and progress to harder drugs and get more and more into sin. I have seen guys who use marijuana to make girls "easier" as in to sleep with.

You belief that it is hard to obtain marijuana is laughable. If it's harder to get in the USA then it is in Canada that is GREAT news. In Canada it is illegal and common everywhere. In some places in my country the police do not crack down on it anymore because of liberal pressure and statements like the one you made. Marijuana usage went up every year since then. It has not gone down.

It is an epidemic and it must be stopped. It must be made harder to get. In my area I know where to get almost anything illegal. The police know too, but the liberal laws prevent them from going after the people without hard evidence.

Prohibition wasn't effective because the police didn't enforce it. The police wanted to drink too. If they wanted to crack down on it they would have and could have. If noone knows where to find something illegal then those who are selling it will quickly go out of business. EVERYTHING that is illegal can be found with ease. Whether the person will trust that you are not a cop and sell it to you is another story.  

So please, enough with the liberal propaganda in support of something that is a sin to consume in any amount, the whole 'taking the pain away' is a not like aspirin, it is a result of losing the sense of reason and being half concious. Without that effect it wouldn't 'take the pain away' as it were.

Even if it cured cancer, which I highly doubt since it contains 70 times more carcinogens then ciggarettes, it would still be a mortal sin to consume as you cannot do an evil for a good to result. That is catholic dogma so don't contradict that bolded line.

Wow, your situation in Canada sounds pretty bad, LP. There's alot of people in the US who are high on MJ and other drugs (including roscoe, who lives in LA). I agree with you, legalizing it would only make things even worse than they already are. parentsfortruth acts as if though smoking pot is really no big deal as long as one doesn't become addicted or get high on it and do something bad, but it is a very dangerous drug.

Wow, your situation in Canada sounds pretty bad, LP. There's alot of people in the US who are high on MJ and other drugs (including roscoe, who lives in LA). I agree with you, legalizing it would only make things even worse than they already are. parentsfortruth acts as if though smoking pot is really no big deal as long as one doesn't become addicted or get high on it and do something bad, but it is a very dangerous drug.

Different substances have different effects on people. You agree that NOT EVERYONE HAS TO DRINK excessively, yet SOME PEOPLE DO. Does that mean we should prohibit people to drink alcohol because it IS addicting (to some people) and some people are VERY VIOLENT on the use of it? (Oh wait... we tried that... didn't work)

I'm saying... how about people take some responsibility for their ACTIONS instead of blaming it on a substance? This is where the real problem is. People want the government to babysit everything they do instead of letting people be accountable for what they do. "Just make it illegal. That'll solve everything." Um... not really.

Actually making alcohol illegal actually made MORE people die when they were drinking the 'moonshine.' They would make it out of insane substances that were obviously MORE TOXIC than anything that was being manufactured for the "enjoyment" of people.

For some people mary juanita has no effect on them but a kind of tranquilizing effect. For OTHERS, it makes them more violent, perhaps, but isn't that similar to what people do consuming AN EXCESS OF ALCOHOL?

Seriously, I'm not "liberal," and it should be treated like any other potentially dangerous substance. Why is that "liberal" for me to say that?

I didn't call you "liberal" PFT. I simply stated that weed is dangerous. It's true that it has different affects on different people, but we shouldn't legalize it just because some people claim they'll use it responsibly. Doing something that damages your body (or more importantly, your soul) is sinful. I'd go as far to say that it's mortally sinful. A person can't smoke pot and tell me "Oh, but I'm not mis-using it". It doesn't work that way. Drinking doesn't have the same devastating affects that MJ does. You can drink responsibly, even though I myself rarely do (I'd only drink wine, not any other drink that can cause you to get drunk). But it's not possible to smoke responsibly. I don't care what you smoke. It causes damage to your body and it isn't good. Of all the things that get people "high" I'd be willing to bet that marijuana is second on the list behind only alcohol, with cocaine a close third.

Tell that to the native Americans who have been smoking for centuries. The Spaniards didn't tell them that smoking was sinful. That's a modern creation to try to accentuate the fact that people CAN OVERDO it. I have to disagree here.

Can we agree on one thing? "A substance, in and of itself, is not evil."

Yes/No

Yes, I agree that substances in themselves are not evil. However, why legalize something that is constantly over-used? You say that MJ shouldn't be illegal just because it CAN be overused, but in our society it sadly is overused. Why do you think so many people break in to houses, commit ѕυιcιdє, and commit murder? Most of them are high on drugs, usually cocaine or MJ. A person who gets drunk usually does not commit such mortally sinful crimes, but MJ and cocaine damage the brain.

Smoking doesn't affect the brain, but it affects the lungs and can also cause cancer. Why smoke if you take such a risk? God tells us to love ourselves, too. Smoking isn't a good way to take care of your body.

Does that mean we should outlaw junk food or soda because more than 60% of the American people are obese? Should we outlaw spoons because they contribute to making people fat? Should we outlaw guns because SOME people (criminals) use them to kill people? Should we outlaw pencils because some make spelling mistakes with them? Come on. How far do you want to go with the outlawing stuff?

There is no argument that people CAN overuse the weed, but you can do anything in excess. You can take too much alcohol, you can take too many painkillers, you can eat too much, and the list of stuff goes on. I think de-criminalizing it would empty out the prisons of NON VIOLENT offenders, and stop those that ARE a danger to society from being released early, because of the prisons being full of people that have a FEDERAL drug charge.

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Yes, I agree that substances in themselves are not evil. However, why legalize something that is constantly over-used? You say that MJ shouldn't be illegal just because it CAN be overused, but in our society it sadly is overused. Why do you think so many people break in to houses, commit ѕυιcιdє, and commit murder? Most of them are high on drugs, usually cocaine or MJ. A person who gets drunk usually does not commit such mortally sinful crimes, but MJ and cocaine damage the brain.

Smoking doesn't affect the brain, but it affects the lungs and can also cause cancer. Why smoke if you take such a risk? God tells us to love ourselves, too. Smoking isn't a good way to take care of your body.

Does that mean we should outlaw junk food or soda because more than 60% of the American people are obese? Should we outlaw spoons because they contribute to making people fat? Should we outlaw guns because SOME people (criminals) use them to kill people? Should we outlaw pencils because some make spelling mistakes with them? Come on. How far do you want to go with the outlawing stuff?

There is no argument that people CAN overuse the weed, but you can do anything in excess. You can take too much alcohol, you can take too many painkillers, you can eat too much, and the list of stuff goes on. I think de-criminalizing it would empty out the prisons of NON VIOLENT offenders, and stop those that ARE a danger to society from being released early, because of the prisons being full of people that have a FEDERAL drug charge.

ANY amount of marijuana causes loss of reason, stop using rhetoric, make a case with facts.

Comparing one thing to another unrelated thing is part of the con game.

Marijuana 'works' by impairing reason, if it dosn't impair reason the effect will not happen. Marijuana causes all sorts of problems and leads to only sin. Alchohol is safe in moderation, marijuana is not safe at all. All 'studies' to the contrary are propaganda from the left. They want a bunch of stoned out zombies with lowered IQ's, impaired reason and commiting immoral acts so they can better enslave them in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

I fail to see a corralation between putting dangerous offenders in jail and marijuana, offences such as willful murder of innocents, rape and other such crimes should be punished with the death penalty.

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/archgenpsychiatry.2011.5


http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/

Hmm, from the last link you provided.

The meta-analysis found that people who smoked marijuana developed psychotic disorders an average 2.7 years earlier than people who did not use cannabis. But the review also found that people who used any illegal drug suffered psychosis two years earlier than non-users, not a large difference.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/07/marijuana-linked-with-earlier-onset-of-schizophrenia-in-research-review/#ixzz1MxNqc4B9


I can quote other studies that say the exact opposite. Here's a NYT article on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/18/us/government-study-of-marijuana-sees-medical-benefits.html

GOVERNMENT STUDY OF MARIJUANA SEES MEDICAL BENEFITS
By SHERYL gαy STOLBERG
Published: March 18, 1999

The active ingredients in marijuana appear to be useful for treating pain, nausea and the severe weight loss associated with AIDS, according to a new study commissioned by the Government that is inflaming the contentious debate over whether doctors should be permitted to prescribe the drug.

The report, the most comprehensive analysis to date of the medical literature about marijuana, said there was no evidence that giving the drug to sick people would increase illicit use in the general population. Nor is marijuana a ''gateway drug'' that prompts patients to use harder drugs like cocaine and heroin, the study said.

The authors of the study, a panel of 11 independent experts at the Institute of Medicine, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, cautioned that the benefits of smoking marijuana were limited because the smoke itself was so toxic. Yet at the same time, they recommended that the drug be given, on a short-term basis under close supervision, to patients who did not respond to other therapies.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029780_marijuana_cancer.html

Marijuana Benefits Cancer: Two Studies You Probably Never Read About

Monday, September 20, 2010 by: Tony Isaacs


(NaturalNews) In February 2000 researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. The study was later published in the journal Nature Cancer Review. Chances are that you have never heard of this study, the same as you likely never heard of a previous similar study. There has been a virtual news blackout as well as a concerted government effort to suppress such stories and studies for over thirty years.

The study by Manuel Guzman of Madrid Spain found that cannabinoids, the active components of marijuana, inhibited tumor growth in laboratory animals by modulating key cell-signaling pathways and thus causing direct growth arrest and death of tumor cells. The study also found that cannabinoids inhibited angiogenesis and that cannabinoids were usually well tolerated and did not produce the generalized toxic effects of conventional chemotherapies.

According to neurologist Dr. Ethan Russo, the Guzman study was very important because cancer cells become immortalized and fail to heed normal signals to turn off growth and die on cue. In addition, the other way that tumors grow is by sending out signals to promote angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels. Cannabinoids turn off these signals as well.

Normally, any story that even suggests the possibility of a new treatment for cancer is greeted with headlines about a "cancer cure" - however remote or improbable it might be. However, if marijuana is involved, don't expect any coverage from mainstream media.

News coverage of the Madrid discovery has been virtually nonexistent in this country. The news broke quietly on Feb. 29, 2000 with a story that ran once on the UPI wire about the Nature Medicine article. The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Los Angeles Times all ignored the story, even though its newsworthiness would seem indisputable: a benign substance occurring in nature destroys deadly brain tumors.

The previous study which indicated that marijuana could be effective against cancer was conducted in 1974. In that study, researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice - lung and breast cancer, and virus-induced leukemia.

The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reported on the events in his book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes". In 1976, President Gerald Ford ended all public research on cannabis and granted exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who unsuccessfully attempted to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver the medical benefits without the "high."

In 1983, the Reagan/Bush Administration attempted to persuade American universities and researchers to destroy all 1966-76 cannabis research work, including compendiums in libraries, reported Herer. He stated, "We know that large amounts of information have since disappeared."

On March 29, 2001, the San Antonio Current printed a story by Raymond Cushing titled, "POT SHRINKS TUMORS; GOVERNMENT KNEW IN '74" which detailed government and media suppression of news about marijuana cancer benefits. Cushing noted in his article that it was hard to believe that the knowledge that cannabis can be used to fight cancer has been suppressed for almost thirty years and aptly concluded his article by saying:

"Millions of people have died horrible deaths and in many cases, families exhausted their savings on dangerous, toxic and expensive drugs. Now we are just beginning to realize that while marijuana has never killed anyone, marijuana prohibition has killed millions."


But it causes psychosis, you say? I can find another study that shows the opposite.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=8179

Patients With Schizophrenia Report Subjective Benefits From Marijuana, Study Says

May 6, 2010 - New Brunswick, Canada

New Brunswick, Canada: Male patients diagnosed with schizophrenia report obtaining subjective benefits from marijuana, according to survey data published in the March issue of the Canadian Journal of Nursing Research.

Investigators from Edmundston Regional Hospital, Psychiatry/Mental Health Department in New Brunswick, Canada surveyed eight men with schizophrenia who had a history of current or past cannabis use.

Researchers reported that subjects consumed marijuana "as a means of satisfying the schizophrenia-related need for relaxation, sense of self-worth, and distraction."

Survey data published in 2008 in the International Journal of Mental Health Nursing also reported that many schizophrenic patients obtain relief from cannabis, finding that subjects consumed cannabis to reduce anxiety, mitigate memories of childhood trauma, enhance cognition, and "improve their mental state."

The findings may help to provide insight as to why several recent studies have identified a non-causal association between the use of marijuana and schizophrenia.



And for you to say, "Lord Phan" that ALL STUDIES ARE PROPAGANDA FROM THE LEFT, is absolutely 100% biased and absurd. That's like saying that anything that anyone says from the pharmaceutical companies is 100% correct, and anyone that contradicts their findings are FROM THE LEFT.

Bologna.