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Contrary to what most people think, the nαzιs were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The nαzιs declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The nαzιs led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.

National Socialism was closer to fascism than actual socialism.

"True socialism respects private property. Marxian socialism does not." Adolf Hitler

"Marxism opposes the concepts of nation and race, rejects the aristocratic nature of the personality, and replaces that with the masses and their dead weight." Adolf Hitler

"The most frigthful example of Jєωιѕн domination is offered by Russia, where he killed millions in a brutal fashion to give a gang of Jєωιѕн journalists and stock exchange bandits domination over a great people." Adolf Hitler

Anyway you act as if saying smoking and alcohol is bad for you is a bad thing to do or caring for animals is a bad thing.

By the way I have noticed that no "conservatives" have done anything about our racial quotas that screen white males out of jobs, universities, etc.

Finally I find it amusing that Jonah Goldberg is talking about liberals such as Wilson, FDR, etc. since his ilk of neoconservatives were strong supporters of Wilson and FDR along with Trotsky before becoming Cold War liberals fascinated with imposing their ideology on mankind, just like the Soviets they were combating.

I always thought that National Socialism differed from Communism in that Communists were generally International Socialists.  I also thought that "socialism" basically referred to the size of government.  


 
 

Interestingly, Indiana voted Democat 7 out of 8 presidential elections prior to The cινιℓ ωαr and also voted once for Woodrow Wilson and twice for FDR.  Indiana also elected Johnson (democrat who ended America's meritocracy, giving us a new doctrine of "equal outcome," not just "equal opportunity") in 1964 and for Obama in 2008.  

We weren't talking about before the cινιℓ ωαr.

Indiana's Klan organization reached its peak of power in the following years, when it had 250,000 members, an estimated 30% of native-born white men. By 1925 over half the elected members of the Indiana General Assembly, the Governor of Indiana, and many other high-ranking officials in local and state government were members of the Klan. Politicians had also learned they needed Klan endorsement to win office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan

David Curtiss "Steve" Stephenson (21 August 1891 – 28 June 1966) was an American politician who was appointed in 1923 as a Grand Dragon (state leader) of the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. state of Indiana, and head of recruiting for seven other states. Later that year, he led those groups to independence from the national KKK organization. Amassing wealth and political power in the Republican Party, he was considered to have been one of the most prominent national Klan leaders. He had close relationships with numerous Indiana politicians, including Governor Edward L. Jackson, a Klan member elected to office in 1924.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._Stephenson

I always thought that National Socialism differed from Communism in that Communists were generally International Socialists.  I also thought that "socialism" basically referred to the size of government.

National Socialism was supposed to be a rejection of both communism and capitalism. It was a blend of both nationalism, in that they supported the awakening of national pride and national greatness (for Germany of course), and also a blending of socialism (although Hitler said he liked the term social justice better) in terms of the Party itself was geared towards the proletarians and that support was given to German workers in the form of public charity.

Also when one sees propaganda films from the Third Reich it is always the leaders of Marxism, shown as Jews mostly, who are the real enemy, while the brainwashed worker who supports Communism is to be pitied.

Also in the conservative movement itself there are differing opinions on how "large the government should be" with more traditional conservatives supporting a larger government and libertarians on the other side supporting anarcho-capitalism.

I thought jonah goldberg's book, "liberal fascism," was an attempt by neo-cons, to define/spin something that was happening in the culture.  It appeared that, with the advent of the internet for the common man, that the cheap and easy access to lots of information, was turning lots of liberals into ethno-nationalists, which often caused them to take a dim view of jews.

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I thought jonah goldberg's book, "liberal fascism," was an attempt by neo-cons, to define/spin something that was happening in the culture.  It appeared that, with the advent of the internet for the common man, that the cheap and easy access to lots of information, was turning lots of liberals into ethno-nationalists, which often caused them to take a dim view of jews.

There are some on both sides, the Left and Right, who could be considered "anti-Semetic" by Jєωιѕн groups yes.

And I would guess to, that to people like jonah goldberg, when he says fascism, what he really means is nationalism.  And that he has got this idea that democracy is all about equality (thus negating nationalism) and that he wants to spread democracy all over the world.  Creating sort of a "utopia,"  where race, gender and religion don't matter, in a strange kind of racially, sɛҳuąƖly and religiously ambiguous culture.  

Why the BIG picture of Marlene Dietrich?

She's lovely, that's for sure.

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And I would guess to, that to people like jonah goldberg, when he says fascism, what he really means is nationalism.  And that he has got this idea that democracy is all about equality (thus negating nationalism) and that he wants to spread democracy all over the world.  Creating sort of a "utopia,"  where race, gender and religion don't matter, in a strange kind of racially, sɛҳuąƖly and religiously ambiguous culture.  

I don't support democracy since I don't believe the individual should be put before the community but we must realize the smokes and mirror used here. When neo-cons like Jonah Goldberg support democracy it means that he supports the rest of the world made in HIS image. They came out of the Cold War liberal background before migrating to the Right, coming in during the Reagan White House, so they are just as ideologically driven as the Soviets to make mankind in their image.

Of course they also see foreign policy as protection for Israel against their enemies.

That's an interesting view of democracy.  I wonder how you came to that conclusion.  It sounds like you are saying, democracy encourages extreme selfishness and self-centeredness, instead of humility and charity.  

The common view/a common view on democracy seems to be, that it is fine, so long as the general public is moral.  

Another view is that all authority in democracy gains its legitimacy from the "will of the people."  While that is never truly the case, it still nurtures a culture that believes that all legitimacy comes from the people, not from God.  And thus, makes a god out of the people.