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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Renzo on January 25, 2013, 03:24:25 PM
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"GOP prepares comeback: ‘We can’t come off as a bunch of angry white men’"
"Minority 'engagement' a top priority"
"Republicans say if that means supporting a moderate candidate who can actually win... so be it."
"Don't believe women should have access to an abortion...? Try not to talk about it."
"Support laws banning gαy couples...? Keep it in the closet."
"...when in doubt... talk about economic growth."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-prepare-comeback-t-come-off-bunch-angry-180422999--election.html
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So, it appears that the republican strategy for the future is to dump white catholic and protestant men and focus on everyone else, while at the same time, dumping traditional morality and focusing on the economy.
I think I need a new party :facepalm:
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According to Pat Buchanan's "ѕυιcιdє of a Super Power," the only demographics in America that are consistently voting republican are white catholic and protestant men. Every other demographic consistently sides with democrats. Yet, republicans can't wait to dump them :sign-surrender:
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What's their economic policy gonna be? They can't talk about cutting government programs to reduce taxes, because the people they are going after generally pay less into those programs, than they take out.
As far as I can tell, they are becoming the party of not relevant to anyone.
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Prior to civil rights and all that, democrats used to be the party of the ku klux klan. No seriously, they were. But, look at them now!
"“Fascists,” “Brownshirts,” “jackbooted stormtroopers”—such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. Calling someone a fascist is the fastest way to shut them up, defining their views as beyond the political pale. But who are the real fascists in our midst?
Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism.
Contrary to what most people think, the nαzιs were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The nαzιs declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The nαzιs led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Do these striking parallels mean that today’s liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.
Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,” more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist” tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn't an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.
These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is. In this angry, funny, smart, contentious book, Jonah Goldberg turns our preconceptions inside out and shows us the true meaning of Liberal Fascism."
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189
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There's got to be something wrong with Jonah Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism." Fascism is supposed to be coming out of the right, as a reaction to communism.
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I've seen lots of white men, who at least went to a catholic or protestant church when they were kids, vote democrat, because they generally support programs that they think will provide the basic necessities for average families. On the other hand, they are outraged by the demographic changes they see occurring and poor morals and lack of modesty they see all around them.
Now, if Republicans would go after them, then I think they would win.
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The Republican party, while not as bad as the Democratic party, is still part of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and has been for years. The Republican nominees are almost always neo-cons.
McCain and Romney were both moderates and didn't win so I don't know why they think the solution is to keep finding people who are even more moderate.
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There's got to be something wrong with Jonah Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism." Fascism is supposed to be coming out of the right, as a reaction to communism.
Well for one thing Jonah Goldberg is a Jєωιѕн neoconservative, since many neo-cons are Jєωιѕн, and he also came out of the Cold War liberal/Trotskyist/Social Democratic Left of the neoconservative movement before it migrated from the Left to the Right.
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The Republican party, while not as bad as the Democratic party, is still part of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and has been for years. The Republican nominees are almost always neo-cons.
McCain and Romney were both moderates and didn't win so I don't know why they think the solution is to keep finding people who are even more moderate.
Well Bush sure didn't do much either. He got us in two wars in the Middle East that bankrupted this country, used immoral drone attacks against women and children, supported big spending projects like No Child Left Behind and the Medicare prescription drug plan, destroyed 2.5 million manufactoring jobs with his free trade policies, left the border wide open for illegal immigrants (and legal immigrants too), etc. etc. etc.
Ah but remember:
"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."
"Successful societies recognize the rights of women."
"I'm really concerned about protectionism, isolationism, and nativism."
"I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing that diversity is indeed America's strength."
"Successful societies recognize religious tolerance."
:rolleyes:
The reason Obama won was because of demography i.e. minorities always vote liberal and the Republican support for more wars and free trade.
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So, it appears that the republican strategy for the future is to dump white catholic and protestant men and focus on everyone else, while at the same time, dumping traditional morality and focusing on the economy.
I think I need a new party :facepalm:
The goal of the Republican party has been for some time now to take the votes of white conservative voters while ensuring that they do not actually exert any serious political influence. So pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs like Chief Justice Robert are put on the Supreme Court with the approval of ignorant Novus Ordo Catholics, etc, the same kind of people who think the Benedict agrees with them more than he agrees with Obama.
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The Republican party has a similar objective to the Novus Ordo church.
They both exist as holding pens for people who are not on board with ʝʊdɛօ-masonic revolution. They never seriously oppose the Left, they exist rather to keep the Right under control and to ensure the victory the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic Antichrist revolution.
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Contrary to what most people think, the nαzιs were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The nαzιs declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The nαzιs led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
National Socialism was closer to fascism than actual socialism.
"True socialism respects private property. Marxian socialism does not." Adolf Hitler
"Marxism opposes the concepts of nation and race, rejects the aristocratic nature of the personality, and replaces that with the masses and their dead weight." Adolf Hitler
"The most frigthful example of Jєωιѕн domination is offered by Russia, where he killed millions in a brutal fashion to give a gang of Jєωιѕн journalists and stock exchange bandits domination over a great people." Adolf Hitler
Anyway you act as if saying smoking and alcohol is bad for you is a bad thing to do or caring for animals is a bad thing.
By the way I have noticed that no "conservatives" have done anything about our racial quotas that screen white males out of jobs, universities, etc.
Finally I find it amusing that Jonah Goldberg is talking about liberals such as Wilson, FDR, etc. since his ilk of neoconservatives were strong supporters of Wilson and FDR along with Trotsky before becoming Cold War liberals fascinated with imposing their ideology on mankind, just like the Soviets they were combating.
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Wrong. 'Fascism' was the name given by anti-Fascists to all of the nationalist and anti-Communist/anti-Capitalist movements of the 1930's, even though they had little to do with the actual Fascist ideology created by Mussolini. Mussolini said as much on December 2, 1942. There, I just refuted the whole premise of his book.
More than that even. It has become popular with the Left to refer to any right-wing group or ideas as 'fascist' and has been that way since the 1930's.
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Prior to civil rights and all that, democrats used to be the party of the ku klux klan.
Indiana had the most powerful KKK, and it was a Republican state.
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Prior to civil rights and all that, democrats used to be the party of the ku klux klan.
Indiana had the most powerful KKK, and it was a Republican state.
"Before the New Deal, the Democrats were the white party, as they had almost zero black support, having been the party of secession and segregation while Republicans were the party of Lincoln and emancipation." Pat Buchanan, "ѕυιcιdє of a Superpower," ch 9 "the white party" pg 329
Interestingly, Indiana voted Democat 7 out of 8 presidential elections prior to The cινιℓ ωαr and also voted once for Woodrow Wilson and twice for FDR. Indiana also elected Johnson (democrat who ended America's meritocracy, giving us a new doctrine of "equal outcome," not just "equal opportunity") in 1964 and for Obama in 2008.
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Contrary to what most people think, the nαzιs were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The nαzιs declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The nαzιs led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
National Socialism was closer to fascism than actual socialism.
"True socialism respects private property. Marxian socialism does not." Adolf Hitler
"Marxism opposes the concepts of nation and race, rejects the aristocratic nature of the personality, and replaces that with the masses and their dead weight." Adolf Hitler
"The most frigthful example of Jєωιѕн domination is offered by Russia, where he killed millions in a brutal fashion to give a gang of Jєωιѕн journalists and stock exchange bandits domination over a great people." Adolf Hitler
Anyway you act as if saying smoking and alcohol is bad for you is a bad thing to do or caring for animals is a bad thing.
By the way I have noticed that no "conservatives" have done anything about our racial quotas that screen white males out of jobs, universities, etc.
Finally I find it amusing that Jonah Goldberg is talking about liberals such as Wilson, FDR, etc. since his ilk of neoconservatives were strong supporters of Wilson and FDR along with Trotsky before becoming Cold War liberals fascinated with imposing their ideology on mankind, just like the Soviets they were combating.
I always thought that National Socialism differed from Communism in that Communists were generally International Socialists. I also thought that "socialism" basically referred to the size of government.
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There's got to be something wrong with Jonah Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism." Fascism is supposed to be coming out of the right, as a reaction to communism.
Well for one thing Jonah Goldberg is a Jєωιѕн neoconservative, since many neo-cons are Jєωιѕн, and he also came out of the Cold War liberal/Trotskyist/Social Democratic Left of the neoconservative movement before it migrated from the Left to the Right.
I think you've found the root of the problem.
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Interestingly, Indiana voted Democat 7 out of 8 presidential elections prior to The cινιℓ ωαr and also voted once for Woodrow Wilson and twice for FDR. Indiana also elected Johnson (democrat who ended America's meritocracy, giving us a new doctrine of "equal outcome," not just "equal opportunity") in 1964 and for Obama in 2008.
We weren't talking about before the cινιℓ ωαr.
Indiana's Klan organization reached its peak of power in the following years, when it had 250,000 members, an estimated 30% of native-born white men. By 1925 over half the elected members of the Indiana General Assembly, the Governor of Indiana, and many other high-ranking officials in local and state government were members of the Klan. Politicians had also learned they needed Klan endorsement to win office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan
David Curtiss "Steve" Stephenson (21 August 1891 – 28 June 1966) was an American politician who was appointed in 1923 as a Grand Dragon (state leader) of the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. state of Indiana, and head of recruiting for seven other states. Later that year, he led those groups to independence from the national KKK organization. Amassing wealth and political power in the Republican Party, he was considered to have been one of the most prominent national Klan leaders. He had close relationships with numerous Indiana politicians, including Governor Edward L. Jackson, a Klan member elected to office in 1924.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._Stephenson
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"Before the New Deal, the Democrats were the white party, as they had almost zero black support, having been the party of secession and segregation while Republicans were the party of Lincoln and emancipation." Pat Buchanan, "ѕυιcιdє of a Superpower," ch 9 "the white party" pg 329
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I always thought that National Socialism differed from Communism in that Communists were generally International Socialists. I also thought that "socialism" basically referred to the size of government.
National Socialism was supposed to be a rejection of both communism and capitalism. It was a blend of both nationalism, in that they supported the awakening of national pride and national greatness (for Germany of course), and also a blending of socialism (although Hitler said he liked the term social justice better) in terms of the Party itself was geared towards the proletarians and that support was given to German workers in the form of public charity.
Also when one sees propaganda films from the Third Reich it is always the leaders of Marxism, shown as Jews mostly, who are the real enemy, while the brainwashed worker who supports Communism is to be pitied.
Also in the conservative movement itself there are differing opinions on how "large the government should be" with more traditional conservatives supporting a larger government and libertarians on the other side supporting anarcho-capitalism.
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I always thought that National Socialism differed from Communism in that Communists were generally International Socialists. I also thought that "socialism" basically referred to the size of government.
National Socialism was supposed to be a rejection of both communism and capitalism. It was a blend of both nationalism, in that they supported the awakening of national pride and national greatness (for Germany of course), and also a blending of socialism (although Hitler said he liked the term social justice better) in terms of the Party itself was geared towards the proletarians and that support was given to German workers in the form of public charity.
Also when one sees propaganda films from the Third Reich it is always the leaders of Marxism, shown as Jews mostly, who are the real enemy, while the brainwashed worker who supports Communism is to be pitied.
Also in the conservative movement itself there are differing opinions on how "large the government should be" with more traditional conservatives supporting a larger government and libertarians on the other side supporting anarcho-capitalism.
That's pretty much my impression too.
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I thought jonah goldberg's book, "liberal fascism," was an attempt by neo-cons, to define/spin something that was happening in the culture. It appeared that, with the advent of the internet for the common man, that the cheap and easy access to lots of information, was turning lots of liberals into ethno-nationalists, which often caused them to take a dim view of jews.
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I thought jonah goldberg's book, "liberal fascism," was an attempt by neo-cons, to define/spin something that was happening in the culture. It appeared that, with the advent of the internet for the common man, that the cheap and easy access to lots of information, was turning lots of liberals into ethno-nationalists, which often caused them to take a dim view of jews.
There are some on both sides, the Left and Right, who could be considered "anti-Semetic" by Jєωιѕн groups yes.
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I thought jonah goldberg's book, "liberal fascism," was an attempt by neo-cons, to define/spin something that was happening in the culture. It appeared that, with the advent of the internet for the common man, that the cheap and easy access to lots of information, was turning lots of liberals into ethno-nationalists, which often caused them to take a dim view of jews.
There are some on both sides, the Left and Right, who could be considered "anti-Semetic" by Jєωιѕн groups yes.
And I would guess to, that to people like jonah goldberg, when he says fascism, what he really means is nationalism. And that he has got this idea that democracy is all about equality (thus negating nationalism) and that he wants to spread democracy all over the world. Creating sort of a "utopia," where race, gender and religion don't matter, in a strange kind of racially, sɛҳuąƖly and religiously ambiguous culture.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wNhhtxTxLZs/TzdBeHFLSoI/AAAAAAAALxQ/6UGhptcwjkE/s400/Marlene%2BDietrich.jpg)
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And I would guess to, that to people like jonah goldberg, when he says fascism, what he really means is nationalism. And that he has got this idea that democracy is all about equality (thus negating nationalism) and that he wants to spread democracy all over the world. Creating sort of a "utopia," where race, gender and religion don't matter, in a strange kind of racially, sɛҳuąƖly and religiously ambiguous culture.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wNhhtxTxLZs/TzdBeHFLSoI/AAAAAAAALxQ/6UGhptcwjkE/s400/Marlene%2BDietrich.jpg)
I don't support democracy since I don't believe the individual should be put before the community but we must realize the smokes and mirror used here. When neo-cons like Jonah Goldberg support democracy it means that he supports the rest of the world made in HIS image. They came out of the Cold War liberal background before migrating to the Right, coming in during the Reagan White House, so they are just as ideologically driven as the Soviets to make mankind in their image.
Of course they also see foreign policy as protection for Israel against their enemies.
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Why the BIG picture of Marlene Dietrich?
She's lovely, that's for sure.
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Why the BIG picture of Marlene Dietrich?
She's lovely, that's for sure.
She's dressed like a man.
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And I would guess to, that to people like jonah goldberg, when he says fascism, what he really means is nationalism. And that he has got this idea that democracy is all about equality (thus negating nationalism) and that he wants to spread democracy all over the world. Creating sort of a "utopia," where race, gender and religion don't matter, in a strange kind of racially, sɛҳuąƖly and religiously ambiguous culture.
I don't support democracy since I don't believe the individual should be put before the community but we must realize the smokes and mirror used here. When neo-cons like Jonah Goldberg support democracy it means that he supports the rest of the world made in HIS image. They came out of the Cold War liberal background before migrating to the Right, coming in during the Reagan White House, so they are just as ideologically driven as the Soviets to make mankind in their image.
Of course they also see foreign policy as protection for Israel against their enemies.
That's an interesting view of democracy. I wonder how you came to that conclusion. It sounds like you are saying, democracy encourages extreme selfishness and self-centeredness, instead of humility and charity.
The common view/a common view on democracy seems to be, that it is fine, so long as the general public is moral.
Another view is that all authority in democracy gains its legitimacy from the "will of the people." While that is never truly the case, it still nurtures a culture that believes that all legitimacy comes from the people, not from God. And thus, makes a god out of the people.
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Why the BIG picture of Marlene Dietrich?
She's lovely, that's for sure.
She's dressed like a man.
She can get away with it... :cheers:
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Bah to Marlene Dietrich.
Anyway, the Republicans will never gain net votes by pandering to hispanics.
The Republican party has virtually committed electoral ѕυιcιdє by accepting neocon (Jєωιѕн) leadership and betraying the American people - that is to say, the real Americans, the common white folks whose ancestors built this country.
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Why the BIG picture of Marlene Dietrich?
She's lovely, that's for sure.
She's dressed like a man.
She can get away with it... :cheers:
O.k., you made me laugh, but still, she was a role model.
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Bah to Marlene Dietrich.
Anyway, the Republicans will never gain net votes by pandering to hispanics.
The Republican party has virtually committed electoral ѕυιcιdє by accepting neocon (Jєωιѕн) leadership and betraying the American people - that is to say, the real Americans, the common white folks whose ancestors built this country.
My school teacher taught me that it was hard working negro slaves, honest jews and virtuous women that did all the work, on the noble red man's land, that fat, lazy, ugly and stupid white men stole and that the white man ought to give it all back to them and maybe do a little work for them, for a change. You must have had a different teacher :scratchchin:
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Bah to Marlene Dietrich.
Anyway, the Republicans will never gain net votes by pandering to hispanics.
The Republican party has virtually committed electoral ѕυιcιdє by accepting neocon (Jєωιѕн) leadership and betraying the American people - that is to say, the real Americans, the common white folks whose ancestors built this country.
My school teacher taught me that it was hard working negro slaves, honest jews and virtuous women that did all the work, on the noble red man's land, that fat, lazy, ugly and stupid white men stole and that the white man ought to give it all back to them and maybe do a little work for them, for a change. You must have had a different teacher :scratchchin:
There probably are teachers like that...
Ask them if these minorities were so successful, then what is their track record?
What is the material condition of some of these countries like Rawanda, Zimbabwe, Seorra Leone, and sundry others?
Israel is just what some French diplomat said it was.
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Bah to Marlene Dietrich.
Anyway, the Republicans will never gain net votes by pandering to hispanics.
The Republican party has virtually committed electoral ѕυιcιdє by accepting neocon (Jєωιѕн) leadership and betraying the American people - that is to say, the real Americans, the common white folks whose ancestors built this country.
My school teacher taught me that it was hard working negro slaves, honest jews and virtuous women that did all the work, on the noble red man's land, that fat, lazy, ugly and stupid white men stole and that the white man ought to give it all back to them and maybe do a little work for them, for a change. You must have had a different teacher :scratchchin:
There probably are teachers like that...
Ask them if these minorities were so successful, then what is their track record?
What is the material condition of some of these countries like Rawanda, Zimbabwe, Seorra Leone, and sundry others?
Israel is just what some French diplomat said it was.
Well I took you up on your offer and I asked my old school teacher, Mrs. Evans, and she said you were a racist! :dancing:
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uh, yeah, let's not look at the facts. Facts get in the way of what people want to believe. Facts get in the way of political correctness. Facts get in the way of feeeeeeeeeelings.
Marsha