Are you sede-oval-office-vacant?  Haha. How does one “question his legitimacy”?  I’m interested to understand how you *think* this works?  

Just observe how some of those same R & R members seem to take such quick and righteous offense and become extremely defensive of Trump when one while never questioning in the least way the legitimacy of Trump's presidency, nevertheless strongly criticize some of his actions or lack thereof.  Interesting phenomenon!

I have said myself, Trump has faults. I don't like his pro-Israel stance. I also disapprove of his religion (Presbyterian?) and his adultery. He obviously has issues with pride, which is quite common with high-flying businessmen, TV personalities and other leaders, so that's par for the course.

The reason for my "defensiveness" is simple: I want Trump to win re-election. I want 4 more years. Plus, I can't stand stupidity. I can't hope for anything more than Trump, and neither can any of you. Asking for better than Trump is ASKING TOO MUCH. If you're honestly hoping for or expecting some Trad Catholic third-party candidate to win the next election, you are literally INSANE. Such a person should play the lottery, since he has no concept of numbers or odds.

The political situation in the USA does not permit some reactionary Trad Catholic candidate to win the presidency at this time. Anyone who "disagrees" is either stupid or crazy. What else do you call a person who is completely detached from reality? You know, those people who think men and women are the same except for how they go pee, or those who think men can menstruate? They're crazy and/or stupid.

Now one could VOTE FOR a third party without being stupid per se, as long as he doesn't expect him to win. But if you really think a third party could win -- you're stupid.

So what ARE you hoping will ACTUALLY happen this November? One of the major candidates is GOING TO win the thing. You want Biden to win? You want Buttigieg? Or do you HOPE that Trump wins?
Or more likely, you probably hope that a big asteroid smashes into earth and kicks off the Chastisement. I don't. I'm not ready yet. As I've said several times, I don't have a full bunker equipped with years of supplies/equipment along with TONS of survival skills tucked away in my brain. I, for one, could use more years to prepare.

Last but not least, I think it's shallow to criticize the best president we've had for decades, while offering no alternative. Who are we supposed to vote for then? At least offer an alternative. It's easy to criticize; everyone's a critic. How about stepping up and lighting a candle rather than just cursing the darkness, and then maybe we can have a discussion?

I was a volunteer for the first Trump campaign. I will vote again for Trump. What are my choices? Bernie or (gulp) Hillary??
To me, Trump is one of the most persecuted humans in history- how he takes it is beyond me. I pray for his health. However....
We know he is not a person of faith ( which is what it is for a political office) when morally he is all over the board with  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, eschewing America first for Israel first, immigration et al.  A lot of dissapointments here, but I admit, I'll never know the back story.
As Catholics I think ( if we vote at all) we HAVE to vote Trump because of the unborn. He certainly is the most pro-life President ever and we have to have him to continue appointing federal judges and hopefully more Supreme Court judges.
I hate all the neocon stuff that he has been sucked into, but if the Donald is able to overturn Roe with his actions, he will be the best President in the history of our country ,bar none.

Are you sede-oval-office-vacant?  Haha. How does one “question his legitimacy”?  I’m interested to understand how you *think* this works?  

Well, I actually was a oval-office-vacantist during the Obama administration.  He was constitutionally ineligible to hold the office.  Alan Keys rightly called him a "usurper".

It would be hilarious if the Catholic anti-Trump crowd put forward some super-ideal candidate, and he turns out to be flawed or a sinner as well!

Personal flaws and sins are not a primary concern.  That is what was mean by an "unworthy" candidate, and Catholics have always been permitted to vote for such.  But that's different from their political positions and their public persona.  That's the same argument you hear about popes, that popes can be sinners.  Yes, of course, but that's entirely distinct from their Magisterium.

If Donald Trump holds any evil POSITIONS, that is what matters.  By evil is meant positively harmful (vs. being negatively deficient).

Here's an example.  If Candidate A believed in abortion on demand through 9 months, while Candidate B believed in abortion on demand through 3 months only, can I vote for Candidate B?  I have my thoughts, of course, but I'd rather wait to hear what others have to say rather than driving people's thinking here.

[as a hint:]  Here's a nuance to consider.  What if Candidate B's platform was officially formulated as follows, "I'm in favor of banning abortion after 3 months."

Well, I actually was a oval-office-vacantist during the Obama administration.  He was constitutionally ineligible to hold the office.  Alan Keys rightly called him a "usurper".

LOL, Father Collins and I used to discuss this often. I agree with you!

Way too many Catholics have bought into "lesser evil" voting.  Lesser Evil is another word for "ends justifies the means" ... which is 100% inimical to Catholic moral reasoning.  Argue double effect if you will, but people need to dump the non-Catholic lesser evil thinking and terminology.  If there is ONE principle that sets Catholic morality apart from all other moral systems, it's the hallowed principle that you can never do evil even in order to prevent a much greater evil.

I agree with you. I hate the lesser evil scenerio and I didn't think I would submit to it....but how would you handle this situation? Is the unborn a priority no matter what? 60 million plus and counting......It has got to stop and it can't be  compared to any other matter re: relevance. This world is truly evil and it's not black and white. The answer is not politics, for sure. But when I took the matter into my own hands, ( peaceful protests) I wound up in court for years and in jail for months. What do you suggest? What is the moral imperative?