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Prophecy on America
« on: February 18, 2025, 11:15:03 AM »
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  • With Pope Francis in the hospital for an extended time (he always has bronchitis issues this time of year, but he's getting older and his hospital stay is much longer), he could die in short order.  It makes me think of a prophecy I read from Yves Dupont's book "Catholic Prophecy".

    In it, Dupont lists a few prophecies from Nostradamus, which he (and others) have identified as referring to America.  This one below has to do with America's political power and the papacy.


    ~ 75.1 4.50
    Libra shall see the Hesperides reign,
    Of heaven and earth shall hold the monarchy,
    Not to perish under any Asian forces,
    Until seven in rank have held the Hierarchy.

    Dupont's Comment: A bad start, you may say! It is unintelligible. Not really so, however, once you are fully acquainted with Nostradamus' symbolism.

    The Hesperides' Gardens is that fabulous land of plenty, west of Gibraltar, from which Hercules brought back to Greece the Golden apples. That land is the United States, and the above quatrain, interpreted, should read thus:

    Under the sign of Libra, America shall reign,
    Shall hold power in the sky and on land,
    Shall never perish under Asian forces,
    Until seven Pontificates have passed.


    Dupont's Comment: As a great world power, the U.S.A. began its "reign" during the First World War - but it was not the greatest world power; in 1918, that was France. In 1945, however, the U.S.A. was, by and large, the greatest world power. I think it is from the reign of Pius XII that the seven Pontificates must be counted...

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    My comment: 

    1.  Pius XII
    2.  John 23
    3.  Paul 6
    4.  JP 1
    5.  JP 2
    6.  Benedict 16
    7.  Francis

    The slow decay of American dominance of global finance and politics has turned into a sharp decline, over the past 15 years.  With the rise of China and Russia, and the population growth of India, the US is no longer the dominant world power.  We are entering into a multi-polar, multi-power political world.

    It's interesting to see this prophecy is quite accurate, in my opinion.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2025, 11:33:36 AM »
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  • I remember reading this years ago, "And Libra shall see Hesperides reign."  Hesperides were the evening nymphs, and there mother was the night, Nyx.  We get the word "vespers" from "Hesperides." This might mean a transitioning into darkness.  I remember when JP II was pope and I counted the seven popes beginning with John XXIII, but it makes sense to begin the count with Pius XII as well.  
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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2025, 11:37:24 AM »
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  • I can't find this in the Quatrains.  Do you have a reference?  That numbering from DuPont doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2025, 11:44:01 AM »
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  • The 75.1 is Dupont's paragraph numbering.  Nostradamus' numbers are 4.5.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2025, 11:45:28 AM »
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  • OK, it's Century IV, L (50) ... not sure what that junk about 75 is.  Most interpreters seem to interpret Hesperides as referring to Spain.
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    French.
    Libra verra regner les Hesperies,
    De Ciel & Terre tenir la Monarchie,
    D'Asie forces nul ne verra peries,
    Que sept ne tiennent par rang la Hierarchie.


    English.
    Libra shall see Spain to Reign,
    And have the Monarchy of Heaven and Earth,
    No body shall see the forces of Asia to perish,
    Till seven have kept the Hierarchy successively,

    IMO, too cryptic to draw anything from.


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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2025, 11:52:14 AM »
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  • Let's say Hesperides is US, since Spain never held air and land superiority.

    Why would he then switch to the Church hierarchy after referring to a political state ... vs. referring to a series of US Presidents?

    And it does seem unclear who's doing the perishing, whether it's the US or the forces of Asia.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2025, 12:22:35 PM »
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    French
    Libra verra regner les Hesperies,
    De Ciel & Terre tenir la Monarchie,
    D'Asie forces nul ne verra peries,
    Que sept ne tiennent par rang la Hierarchie.

    English
    Libra shall see Spain to Reign,
    And have the Monarchy of Heaven and Earth,
    No body shall see the forces of Asia to perish,
    Till seven have kept the Hierarchy successively,


    It is a restatement of the "Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns" from Daniel and the Apocalypse, combined with the message of the authentic Third Secret of Fatima (see below). The new Heaven and new Earth symbolism is from Apocalypse 21.

    Libra = the Virgin Mary, the reign of the Virgin Mary
    Hesperies = Portugal. Sr. Lucia's summed up the Third Secret: "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved."
    Asia = Babylon, the counterfeit Catholic Church controlled by ecclesiastical Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
    Seven = Seven Popes of the Vatican City-State founded in 1929 in the Lateran Treaty (PXI, PXII, JXXIII, PVI, JPI, JPII, BXVI)
    Ten Horns = the Freemasonic Cardinal usurpers with Bergoglio as the fake head (the "eighth" in Apoc. 17:11)


    Third Secret of Fatima:

    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
    This part is the apostasy in the Church!

    Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
    Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
    Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
    but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
    this one had the gaze of evil.

    Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
    after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
    ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
    with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
    it had a beak in the roof of the building.

    Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
    said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

    Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
    will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
    destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

    In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
    will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

    This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
    announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

    If 69 weeks [years] after this order is announced, Rome continues its
    abomination, the city will be destroyed.

    Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2025, 02:36:50 PM »
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  • :facepalm:

    Nostradamus was a Jew and a false prophet.


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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #8 on: February 18, 2025, 02:47:36 PM »
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  • The eastern Christian mystics basically say America will be destroyed after starting war with Russia, and America will never rebound to being a powerful nation. 
    Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so his rider falls backward. ~ Genesis 49:17

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2025, 03:13:47 PM »
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    Nostradamus was a Jew and a false prophet.
    Others say he was a devout catholic.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #10 on: February 18, 2025, 03:27:29 PM »
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  • Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    I don't know if this means anything but I look up Daniel 9:24-25

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     24 Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed.  25 Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times.
    Commentary was given

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    [24] "Seventy weeks": Viz., of years, (or seventy times seven, that is, 490 years,) are shortened; that is, fixed and determined, so that the time shall be no longer.

    [25] "From the going forth of the word": That is, from the twentieth year of king Artaxerxes, when by his commandment Nehemias rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem, 2 Esd. 2. From which time, according to the best chronology, there were just sixty-nine weeks of years, that is, 483 years to the baptism of Christ, when he first began to preach and execute the office of Messias.-- Ibid.

    490 years ago King Henry XIII broke with Rome and established the Church of England.

    Then there is Matthew 21:42-44

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     42 Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes.  43 Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.  44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder.




    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #11 on: February 18, 2025, 05:16:02 PM »
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  • I don't know if this means anything but I look up Daniel 9:24-25
    Commentary was given
    490 years ago King Henry XIII broke with Rome and established the Church of England.

    Then there is Matthew 21:42-44

    Yes. I know the Daniel commentary says 490 years. But that makes no sense. Read Daniel 9.

    Daniel begins the chapter with a reference to the 70 YEARS prophecy of Jeremiah (mentioned in Jeremiah 25 and 29). So, that Jeremiah prophecy about 70 YEARS is the context of Daniel 9.

    Daniel thinks he is living through the 70 YEARS of Jeremiah, but the Angel Gabriel visits him and corrects his mistaken assumption. Gabriel then explains that the 70 YEARS of Jeremiah is an "end times" prophecy, not a prophecy related to the time of Daniel. We know it is an "end times" prophecy because the "abomination of desolation" mentioned in Daniel 9 is also referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24 as related to the "end times."

    Gabriel then restates the Jeremiah 70 YEARS prophecy in more detail. He says that it will occur over a period of 70 "shavuim," a Hebrew word that means many Shavuot [or Feast of Weeks]. There is one "Feast of Weeks" every year. So, Daniel's 70 "weeks" means "there will be 70 "Feasts of Weeks" during the period of the prophecy that he is going to discuss. This is just another way of saying the 70 Years of Jeremiah. The two periods/prophecies are equivalent.

    Basically the counting of years of the Daniel 9 prophecy starts with the "announcement" the Vatican II Council ["to build up Jerusalem again"], which took place of January 25, 1959. So you can count the "Feast of Weeks" in 1959 as year number one. The seventieth "Feast of Weeks" will occur in 2028. So all of the prophecies discussed by Daniel 9 must be fulfilled sometime AFTER the "Feast of Weeks" in 2028 but BEFORE the "Feast of Weeks" in 2029. This year, 2025, will include the 66th "Feast of Weeks" of the Daniel prophecy.

    The Third Secret text confirms essentially the same time frame. But rather than discussing the Vatican II Council, Our Lady commands that an "announcement" be made of the Third Secret text before 1960. And she then says that if the announcement is not made, then after 69 "Feast of weeks" [again "years"] the city, meaning Babylon/Rome [the Counterfeit Catholic Church] will be destroyed.

    The quote from Matthew 21 refers to Jesus being the "stone which the builders rejected." Our Lady is saying that in the "end times" a similar "stone" will be "rejected" and will become the cornerstone. This is a reference to the Holy Pope prophecies. Simon bar Jona was nicknamed "Peter" or "Rock" by Jesus. So Our Lady is saying that a "Peter" in the "end times" will be "rejected" and become "the head of the corner." This prophecy can also be seen in St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes.

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    Re: Prophecy on America
    « Reply #12 on: February 18, 2025, 05:45:09 PM »
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  • The Dimond Bros argued that Francis would be the last Pope according to St Malachy's prophecy.