Author Topic: Presidential Primary Poll 2016 (Read 3767 times)

Charlemagne · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2016, 03:02:04 AM »

Trump. I don't like him personally, but I look at him as an instrument by which the GOPe can be destroyed for its backstabbing after the 2014 mid-term election. They can't control him, so they attempt to destroy him. I just love seeing them squirm.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2016, 04:27:44 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Centroamerica

This is the guy Matthew voted for...

That's an ad-hominem (against Cruz) if I ever saw one.

Talk about ridiculous. Is this the best his opponents can come up with, when slinging ad-hominem's against Cruz? Come on, the guy isn't even a Catholic; he has to have SOME dirt on him -- and this ain't it, by the way.

Why not show a home video of 1-year-old Ted Cruz being a silly 1 year old, and sometime during the video, filling his diaper?

That would discredit his run for the Oval Office. We can't have a pants pooper -- or even a former one -- possessing the highest office in the Nation. It just feels wrong somehow, doesn't it?

An ad hominem attacks the man for his character and not his argument. Isn't that what your 20 something previous posts against Trump do?

Desmond · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2016, 05:21:49 AM »

18 to 1. Impressive.

OHCA · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2016, 07:49:00 AM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Trump. I don't like him personally, but I look at him as an instrument by which the GOPe can be destroyed for its backstabbing after the 2014 mid-term election. They can't control him, so they attempt to destroy him. I just love seeing them squirm.

There has to be at least a speck of good in anybody who is driving the establishment NWOers out of their minds. I'm loving it too.

Cera · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:25:49 PM »

The sad reality is our choices have been narrowed by tptb that systematically forced out Rand Paul and Ben Carson (with help from Cruz's dirty tricks). What we have left are the choices left to us by tptb and the one person they cannot control.

Trump is the one person they do not control with puppet strings. He is the last one standing that did not suck up to Zionist Israel big money. Both parties are controlled by the puppet masters, which is why they are going nuts about Trump. Anyone who wants to send the RINO puppet masters a message will vote for Trump.

Matthew · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

An ad hominem attacks the man for his character and not his argument. Isn't that what your 20 something previous posts against Trump do?

No.

First of all, when sizing up a presidential candidate we HAVE TO assess his character. It would be foolish not to. Just for starters, how else do we figure out how trustworthy he is? All political candidates make promises. Every. Last. One of them. But how many of those promises are ever fulfilled?

And Trump, an "outsider" as you all describe him, doesn't exactly have hard facts to look at. What are we going to look at, his voting record in Congress or the Senate? The bills he passed as state governor? Trump wasn't in politics before this year. So all we can do to assess the REALITY of the man is to look at his past beliefs and actions.

Explain to me how a new politician can be assessed in an objective, fact-based manner -- outside of his own concrete (factual, real) actions in his own past. Like I said, he doesn't have a Congressional voting record we could look at.

All we have is a bunch of talk.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:35:52 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: Matto
... but now he says he is pro life except in the cases of rape or incest or if the life of the mother is in danger.

You realize this is a very liberal position, right? Exactly why does the baby who is a product of rape deserve to be killed? And, when you start talking about dangers to the mother, it's just a political line to keep us away from the fact that no baby deserves to be killed. Will there be times when a baby needs to be delivered early? Certainly. But intentionally killed? No.

Here's a doctor/lawyer explaining this concept:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ysl1tRnk-ig[/youtube]

You realize that just about every Republican takes this position? McCain, Rubio, Cruz, everyone.

Any candidate who says no abortion for any reason is completely unelectable.

You do realize this don't you?

Even Protestants support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

The Republicans don't even really like to talk about this anymore. That's why they only really talk now about "defunding Planned Parenthood.."

Matthew · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:36:11 PM »

I think the main thing that has Trads all excited about Trump is that he's "not beholden to the establishment" because he's "rich and self-funded".

He is not self-funding his campaign. That's a common myth.

He is LENDING himself the money right now, so he can get the nomination. Once nominated, he will get federal funds plus private donations and he can (and will) PAY HIMSELF BACK.

I thought he was self-funding? If so, why not just GIVE his campaign the funds? He's said countless times that he's only lending those funds to his campaign.

Also, he's admitted (begrudgingly) that he's accepted various monies from individuals. Of course he claims it's just a few Widow's Mites. Yeah sure. So he's admitted to receiving third party funding. Who only knows how much -- he won't release his tax records remember.

What an upstanding individual...

:rolleyes:

Matthew · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:42:26 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

You realize that just about every Republican takes this position? McCain, Rubio, Cruz, everyone.

Any candidate who says no abortion for any reason is completely unelectable.

You do realize this don't you?

Even Protestants support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

The Republicans don't even really like to talk about this anymore. That's why they only really talk now about "defunding Planned Parenthood.."

Speaking of "you do realize, don't you" I need to clarify something ELSE here --

The following statement is not true:

CentroAmerica is to Trump
as
Matthew is to Cruz

FALSE - FALSE - FALSE

I am not gung-ho or excited for Cruz, nor do I have any hope for any substantial change if he were elected the next President. It would be "more of the same".

I voted for Cruz in the primary, and I hope Cruz gets the nomination (even if Trump is "robbed" at the Republican convention because he doesn't get enough delegates or whatever.) because Cruz is the only one with enough support to beat Hillary.

All the polls say that Trump vs. Hillary will mean "President Hillary Clinton"

No thanks.

Plus with a morally bankrupt man like Trump, the Media/establishment probably has 2 dozen more skeletons in the closet about Trump which they will happily parade before the whole world AFTER the Republicans nominate Trump for their candidate.

I've seen him lie too many times on TV just in the past few months; my imagination fails me as to all the things they probably have on him. Someone like him is SUCH a candidate for blackmail. Talk about being controlled by the bad guys!

Emerentiana · « **Reply #24 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

If you had to pick one of these candidates for President, which would it be?

Looks like you got your answer, Matthew!

Stubborn · « **Reply #25 on:** March 12, 2016, 01:39:36 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I think the main thing that has Trads all excited about Trump is that he's "not beholden to the establishment" because he's "rich and self-funded".

I do not think that most trads are excited about Trump at all, it's just he is seen as the lesser evil is what I think it is.

I mean for example, if along with Trump, Cruz and the rest, you Matthew, were a candidate, or if MaterDominici were a candidate, or Ladislaus or Matto or CathMomof7 or (insert CIer or trad of choice here) speaking for myself, I would not have to think about who to vote for, in a hot second you or one of the other trads would get my vote - period.

Now if it were trad against trad, then we'd be in for a treat - what trad wouldn't love to have that for a problem?

But we don't have that problem - our problem is just the opposite, we have a bunch of heathens we get to select from, so if you're going to vote at all in this straw poll, for those of us who don't get out much, may as well vote for the entertainment effect - and Trump wins in that category hands down - because.........

Quote from: Cantarella

In any case, the Jew elite in this country have already decided who the winner will be so there is no reason to worry about it. When one of the mentioned puppets is elected, then I want them to leave the country.

CWA · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2016, 02:22:19 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Centroamerica

This is the guy Matthew voted for...

That's an ad-hominem (against Cruz) if I ever saw one.

Talk about ridiculous. Is this the best his opponents can come up with, when slinging ad-hominem's against Cruz? Come on, the guy isn't even a Catholic; he has to have SOME dirt on him -- and this ain't it, by the way.

Why not show a home video of 1-year-old Ted Cruz being a silly 1 year old, and sometime during the video, filling his diaper?

That would discredit his run for the Oval Office. We can't have a pants pooper -- or even a former one -- possessing the highest office in the Nation. It just feels wrong somehow, doesn't it?

Indeed, there may be other reasons not to like Cruz, but when you have to dredge up a silly thing from when he was 18 years old, when there are tons of quotes by Trump from MUCH more recent times, and much more relevant to the discussion...

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Donald Trump’s A Democrat In Disguise, Based On These Liberal Quotes.

1. Donald Trump on Universal Healthcare: “Everybody’s got to be covered, this is an un-Republican thing I’m going to say, I’m going to take care of everybody.”

When asked, ‘Who pays for it?’ Trump flatly replied, “the government’s going to pay for it.”
— CBS, “60 Minutes,” 9/27/2015

“The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans… We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan.”
—Writing in his book, The America We Deserve, January 2000

“I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care.”
—Interview with CNN’s Larry King, October 1999.

11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

9. Donald Trump on Obama’s economic stimulus: “I thought he did a terrific job […] I thought he was strong and smart, and it looks like we have somebody that knows what he is doing finally in office, and he did inherit a tremendous problem. He really stepped into a mess, Greta [Van Susteren].
Fox News, 2/9/2009

7. Donald Trump on who’s the most qualified to make a nuclear deal with Iran: “Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people, I think Hillary would do a good job.”
CNN, “The Situation Room,” 9/24/2007

8. Donald Trump on liberal Nancy Peℓσѕι:

“Nancy — you’re the best. Congrats. Donald.”
—Handwritten note to Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι, January 2007

“I’m very impressed by her [then-House Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι], she’s a very impressive person. I like her a lot.
CNN, “The Situation Room,” 9/24/2007

3. Donald Trump on whether he’s a Democrat or a Republican: “In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat.”
— CNN, “The Situation Room,” 3/21/2004

10. Donald Trump on the Democrats’ economic policies: “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. …But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans.”
— CNN, “The Situation Room,” 3/21/2004

4. Donald Trump on guns and background checks: “I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”
— Donald Trump, “The America We Deserve,” 2000

2. Donald Trump on taxing the rich: “Well, basically, this would be a one-time tax, 14.25 percent against people with a net worth of over 10 million […] It would pay off in its entirety the national debt of $5.7 trillion, and you’d save $200 billion a year. So taxes for the middle class would go way down, the estate and inheritance tax totally wiped out, and the Social Security system would be saved.”
— NBC, “Good Morning America,” 11/10/1999

5. Donald Trump on quitting the GOP: “I really believe Republicans are just too crazy […] I mean, hey, I lived in New York City, Manhattan all my life, okay? So my views are a little bit different than if I lived in Iowa, perhaps.”
— NBC, “Meet the Press,” 10/1999

6. Donald Trump on abortion, including Partial Birth Abortion: “I’m very pro-choice. I am pro-choice in every respect.”
— NBC, “Meet the Press,” 10/1999

9) “By imposing a one-time 14.25 percent net-worth tax on the richest individuals and trusts, we can put America on sound financial footing for the next century.”
—Writing in his book, The America We Deserve, January 2000

10) “I think he [Obama] has a chance to go down as a great president.”
—Interview with NY1, November 2008

CWA · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2016, 03:19:56 PM »

I forgot to include the quotes - even more recent - by Trump, where he praised Planned Parenthood, promised "forward motion" on the Sodomite agenda, and advocated killing innocent civilians - "you have to take out their families."

Cantarella · « **Reply #28 on:** March 12, 2016, 03:45:13 PM »

As a no voter myself, I found this article to be very interesting:

Trump vs. the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr

https://akacatholic.com/trump-vs-the-new-world-order/

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 12, 2016, 03:52:16 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I voted for Cruz in the primary, and I hope Cruz gets the nomination (even if Trump is "robbed" at the Republican convention because he doesn't get enough delegates or whatever.) because Cruz is the only one with enough support to beat Hillary.

Ted Cruz will not beat Hillary in a general election. The electoral votes just do not add up. Ted Cruz would have to take states that have voted democrat since the 1980s. I just don't see how he can do it. And even if he did, he doesn't get along well with anybody in Congress that he already works with. If he does get elected, how in the world will his being President change that.

As for the polls that suggest Hillary will beat Trump, I am not so sure of that.

FWIW, Catholics have historically voted democrat because the democrats represented the worker. Catholics in the US have always been overwhelmingly working class people: mill workers, coal mines, auto industry. The democrats supported the unions because the unions looked out for the workers, fighting for just wages and fair labor laws, time off, and guaranteed jobs if they got laid off.

The democrats today though represent the minority classes. Look who is actually voting for Hillary in the primaries---blacks, lesbians, Hispanics. The working classes are voting for Sanders, because they believe he is speaking to their needs.

In the last few years, the working class people have become disenfranchised. Many of them haven't voted or they have voted for Independent candidates. They are attracted to Trump because he is talking to them about their needs. They need jobs. They are tired of getting laid off and having no place to go to work. This matters.

Of course Ted Cruz will beat Hillary in Texas! Texas is a Red State through and through. But Ted Cruz will never beat her here in Pennsylvania. Ever. Pennsylvanians are mill workers, coal miners, gas drillers. They are NO Catholics and Lutherans. Those in the cities Philly and Pittsburgh have no idea what its like to live in a rural area or what those needs are. They have public transportation and arts and little houses. Ted Cruz is not their guy. But Donald might be. They can relate to him, he talks about them.

I am not suggesting that anybody should vote for Trump or Cruz. I am just explaining it the way I see it.

Trump could, with the right resources and the GOP behind him, turn some of these working class states Red. Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Michigan. This is really significant.

And if the Southerner evangelicals can tolerate him, in spite of his loud mouth and 3 marriages, in spite of his casinos and wine, that says something.

Personally I think the Democrats want Cruz now, just like they wanted Romney in '12. The corrupt Clinton machine will eat Cruz for lunch.

Just my opinion.