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Offline stevusmagnus

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2011, 09:54:44 PM »
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  • Good one, GV! Fight on (into the outer edges of complete irrelevancy).  :jester:

    11th Commandment: Thou shalt deny Obama's American birth till the absolute bitter end.

    You are officially THE Kook-Nutter of Cath Info. And BELIEVE me when I say you had stiff competition!!

     :tinfoil:  :jumping2:  :dancing-banana:  :smoke-pot: :alcohol:  :clown:


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    « Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 10:12:51 PM »
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  • When you can provide a compelling argument why I should, for example, place more weight on the word of two random private investigators then the State Registrar of Hawaii, please feel free.


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 10:40:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Good one, GV! Fight on (into the outer edges of complete irrelevancy).  :jester:

    11th Commandment: Thou shalt deny Obama's American birth till the absolute bitter end.

    You are officially THE Kook-Nutter of Cath Info. And BELIEVE me when I say you had stiff competition!!

     :tinfoil:  :jumping2:  :dancing-banana:  :smoke-pot: :alcohol:  :clown:



    So crazy people such as "Pope" Augustine II wouldn't get this title instead? I don't like what you're doing, stevus. You belong on AQ where the mods think the NWO is just a big laugh.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline marasmius

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    « Reply #18 on: April 28, 2011, 06:29:53 AM »
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  • Here is a You Tube video which casts doubt on the authenticity of President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate released by the White House on 27/4/11.


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    « Reply #19 on: April 28, 2011, 06:43:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    Good one, GV! Fight on...


    I see you have nothing of substance to say.  I am stunned.

    Kailyn,

    Why not investigate yourself?  Was Kenya called Kenya in 1961, or not?  I only offered the links/info to say this is not as settled as some would like to think.  I believe it is entirely POSSIBLE he was born in the USA, but this BC does not put the issue to rest.  IMO, it was not meant to do so.  This issue provides a nice little distraction while the national train goes completely off the tracks.
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    « Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 06:45:02 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    You are officially THE Kook-Nutter of Cath Info. And BELIEVE me when I say you had stiff competition!!


    Coming from you, stevie wonder, this is quite a compliment :)
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    « Reply #21 on: April 28, 2011, 10:06:45 AM »
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  • Birther and Attorney Orly Taitz Thrown Off MSNBC For Bringing Up Obama's Social Security Number Reserved For Connecticut Applicants


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    « Reply #22 on: April 28, 2011, 10:33:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    Kenya (listed as Obama's father's nation of birth) wasn't called Kenya in 1961. It was the British East Africa Protectorate. It was not known as "Kenya" until 1963.

    In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was NOT named the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital , as shown on the above certificate. In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was named the Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital. It did not change its name to the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until it merged with the Kapiolani hospital system in 1978.


    It bothers me that the pundits talk as if the evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii had always been irrefutable.  The fact is that there has been credible evidence given that he may have been born outside the United States.  

    I cannot comment on the hospital name as I don't know.  However, on the country name, I have to tell you that you are mistaken.  Although the official name of this African territory was the British East Africa Protectorate, this area was commonly known as Kenya and is shown to be such in a 1949 Atlas that I have here at my desk.  The atlas in fascinating as it shows the world as it was immediately after World War II (for example, there are no interstate highways and Africa is shown as largely a conglomeration of European colonies).  The Atlas shows the area south of Somaliland, north of the Tanganyika Territory, and east of Uganda is "Kenya".

    Just as the country of Burma today is officially called the Republic of the Union of Myanmar, people from that region call the country "Burma".  I know some Burmese people and they do not use name Myanmar.  It is actually probably that, when filling out birth certificate information, the mother or father would have said the father's place of birth was Kenya.  I can also see the nurse or clerk asking where that was (especially in 1961--I doubt many people knew anthing about Kenya was until the mid-1960s show Daktari) and the reply being "East Africa."  This entry on an authentic docuмent is completely reasonable and even probable.

    I have to say that I am willing to accept this as evidence of Obama's citizenship, but to be absolutely convinced, some of the other inconsistencies that have been brought up (the Kenyan relatives' insistence that he had been born there, the passport, and SSA, for examples) need to be adequately explained.  

    I hesitate to say this, but it is not inconceivable that, given the last three years, there was time to forge docuмents.  After all, since obviously forged docuмents were produced to "prove" something about Bush, those in the political forgery business have learned that forging historical docuмents has to be done with much more care and research than was needed in, say, 1961.

    In any event, I won't worry about this any longer since it really does not matter.  Whether he is eligible to be president or not, he will exercise the power of the president and I have no recourse.  The only difference I see here between the secular power and the papal power is the Benedict 16 can't produce a docuмent (forged or no) that definitively proves all the heresies and novelties he has promoted over his lifetime are really Apostolic Traditions.


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    « Reply #23 on: April 28, 2011, 10:33:55 AM »
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  • MSNBC is an absolute joke. The station has arrogant, flaming liberals who just can't get enough of Obama.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #24 on: April 28, 2011, 10:36:58 AM »
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  • Not meaning to discredit gladius, but I want to address a couple of his arguments. First, Kenya may very well have been referred to as "Kenya" prior to 1964, even though that wasn't it's official name. For instance, it is called "Kenya" in this 1960 map by National Geographic: http://www.maps.com/map.aspx?pid=15853. This came up originally when a number of Kenyan birth certificates were circulating on the net. "Anti-birthers" were raising the same argument, saying that these certificates were fake because they said "Kenya" on the certificates, while "birthers" pointed to evidence like the map I just showed you. I guess it can go the other way around, too.

    Also, about the "I certify this is a true copy or abstract" bit, it's clearly just a rubber stamp that they use with all copies of birth certificates. If it were simply an abstract, where did the signatures come from?

    I'm afraid I must admit that stevus may actually be right about this one. I personally had my doubts about the authenticity of the so-called "short-form" birth certificate, but I can't seem to find any legitimate arguments against the authenticity of this docuмent. Besides, I don't think it really makes much of a difference even if he is a validly elected president, he's still evil and should be opposed. That's all I need to know. (Not that I have much say in the matter, being Canadian...)

    I think stevus should try to be a little less confrontational and triumphalist about all this, it's not very becoming TBH. We're all Christians (or supposed to be)...
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    « Reply #25 on: April 28, 2011, 07:19:50 PM »
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    For instance, it is called "Kenya" in this 1960 map by National Geographic


    I saw that elsewhere, too -- and I do not care if you "discredit" me because it is not about me, nor do I claim to know the entire truth in this matter.

    From what I read, Kenya was not the Republic of Kenya until 1964.  What is the term used on the BC?  Just Kenya, or the Republic of Kenya (which did not exist in 1961)?

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    I think stevus should try to be a little less confrontational and triumphalist about all this, it's not very becoming TBH. We're all Christians (or supposed to be)...


    He seems to be interested in "winning", not finding and sharing the truth.  This is nothing new...
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    « Reply #26 on: April 28, 2011, 07:32:32 PM »
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    I think stevus should try to be a little less confrontational and triumphalist about all this, it's not very becoming TBH. We're all Christians (or supposed to be)...


    He seems to be interested in "winning", not finding and sharing the truth.  This is nothing new...


    That's because this is the first argument in which he has actually found a docuмent to back up his position.

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    « Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 08:18:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    This issue is not as settled as some would like to think...

    http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/04/here-is-problem-with-obamas-birth.html [For those who will NOT read the linked article, the BC says his dad was from KENYA -- yet Kenya was not actually called Kenya in 1961...]


    It actually says from Kenya, East Africa  The country is actually East Africa

    This map from 1922 shows this to be quite alright.

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    « Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 08:23:21 PM »
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  • I guess I should have read the thread before intervening.  It was already cleared up. sorry.

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    « Reply #29 on: April 28, 2011, 08:37:27 PM »
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