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Offline Geremia

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Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
« on: September 08, 2024, 11:08:01 PM »
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    • Meinvielle, Concepción católica de la política p. 86 (PDF p. 91):
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    Herein lies the difference between a pontiff who is a saint and one who is not, even though he may be very virtuous. The saint is endowed with a supernatural prudence that discerns the malice of the enemy in seemingly innocent things. This is why St. Pius X was able to say to a French bishop who was determined to have L'Action Française condemned: “We have here, dear son, all that is necessary to condemn it. But we are sure that the people who have docuмented us so well have acted less out of love and zeal for holy religion than out of hatred of the doctrines held by L'Action Française.” Then, closing the desk drawer with a sharp blow, Pius X added: “Thus, as long as I live, never will A. F. be condemned. It does good. It defends the principle of authority. It defends order.”30 [Charles Maurras, Blessed Pius X: Saviour of France (Le bienheureux Pie X, sauveur de la France) (1953) p. 72]

    The same can be said of Trump. He "defends the principle of authority" and "defends order".
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2024, 09:07:28 AM »
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    • Incredibly, it was Napoleon III who sent a French Force to enter Rome and protect Pope Pius IX thus restoring his temporal authority from Italian Republicans.

    The unbelievable irony, is that Napoleonic France was the birthplace of all this atheistic revolutionary fervour... it was Napoleon I who imprisoned the Pope. Nobody would have guessed that turn of events. This was likely influenced thanks to a sizeable number of French Catholics due to the revival of the faith after the Revolution and downfall of Napoleon I such as those like St John Vianney (himself conscripted into Napoleon I armies, thankfully deserting or he would have been killed in the many Napoleonic wars) and St Catherine Laboure with the Miraculous Medal etc. 

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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #2 on: September 09, 2024, 12:09:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 08, 2024, 11:08:01 PM
    Meinvielle, Concepción católica de la política p. 86 (PDF p. 91):
    The same can be said of Trump. He "defends the principle of authority" and "defends order".
    Wow...  I had never heard of this exact source before.  Thanks for sharing.  Pope Pius X, pray for us!  :pray:
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2024, 01:50:37 PM »
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    • I disagree.  Supporting  Sodomy and abortion goes against God’s natural order. 
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #4 on: September 09, 2024, 03:50:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 09, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
    Supporting  Sodomy and abortion goes against God’s natural order.
    His policies support it?
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #5 on: September 09, 2024, 03:51:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on September 09, 2024, 12:09:09 PM
    Wow...  I had never heard of this exact source before.  Thanks for sharing.  Pope Pius X, pray for us!  :pray:
    Yes, I never knew Charles Maurras, after his conversion, wrote a book about Pope St. Pius X. He was present at his canonization, under Pius XII, too. (Pius XII lifted the Action Française condemnation, too.)
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2024, 04:15:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 09, 2024, 03:50:50 PM
    His policies support it?

    I took VCR's comment this way:  Did L'Action Française support Sodomy and abortion?


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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2024, 06:39:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: B from A on September 09, 2024, 04:15:13 PM
    Did L'Action Française support Sodomy and abortion?
    Does the Republican Party?
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2024, 07:07:08 PM »
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    • I find it remarkable how some hypocrites on this forum consider it a mortal sin to vote for Trump now, when they themselves voted for him in 2016 and when he then held the same or similar immoral positions as he does now. 

    I voted for him because he exposed the conspiracy and was a chance to correct our many problems, if I vote for him again it will be because I hope he takes the conspirators to task and he changes the direction of the downward spiral.

    The principle of double effect certainly applies.

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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2024, 07:09:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 09, 2024, 07:07:08 PM
    I find it remarkable how some hypocrites on this forum consider it a mortal sin to vote for Trump
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    People don't have any right to say it is a mortal sin to vote for Trump. Only the Church can give us teachings on faith or morals. And it is not a mortal sin to vote for Trump. That is ridiculous.
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2024, 07:13:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 09, 2024, 07:07:08 PM
    The principle of double effect certainly applies.
    Very true!
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #11 on: September 09, 2024, 08:08:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 09, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
    I disagree.  Supporting  Sodomy and abortion goes against God’s natural order.
    Absolutely agree!  It was Trump who appointed the first married gαy man as the American Ambassador to Germany.  Trump also implemented the plan to erase all anti-sodomy laws in all countries that still enforced them.  Warp Speed Trump destroyed thousands of small businesses by shutting down the economy and only allowing large corporations and "essential" workers to work. He promoted the dangerous and evil mrna vaccines killing and injuring millions of people.  He's the number one supporter of Israel and great friends with Prime minister Netanyahu, the same man slaughtering the Palestinians.  Trump does not endorse the complete ban of killing babies under all circuмstances.   On and on.
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #12 on: September 09, 2024, 08:19:33 PM »
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    • I voted for Trump in 2016, which I made plain at the time, purely for the novelty factor and for Supreme Court justices. I always knew he wasn't the maverick anti-establishment figure he was depicted as being, but was in the pockets of our traditional enemies.

    I wasn't suckered in the slightest by him. I guess many of you have some egg on your faces.

    Some here believed in the QAnon crap. 4D chess!
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #13 on: September 10, 2024, 06:12:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 09, 2024, 07:07:08 PM

    I find it remarkable how some hypocrites on this forum consider it a mortal sin to vote for Trump now, when they themselves voted for him in 2016 and when he then held the same or similar immoral positions as he does now.

    I voted for him because he exposed the conspiracy and was a chance to correct our many problems, if I vote for him again it will be because I hope he takes the conspirators to task and he changes the direction of the downward spiral.

    The principle of double effect certainly applies.
    Exactly.  I'm still waiting for them to provide Church teaching that supports their pontificating that anyone who votes for Trump is guilty of mortal sin. 

    I didn't vote for him in 2016 but did begrudgingly in 2020.  I go back and forth this time, and my final decision will probably happen on November 5th.
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    Re: Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2024, 07:46:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on September 09, 2024, 06:39:34 PM
    Does the Republican Party?
    There's no way you haven't seen the evidence till now, it's been posted ad nauseam here. If you truly haven't then you have no business talking about this.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/usa-presidential-election/msg950008/#msg950008
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