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Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on March 20, 2014, 02:42:12 AM
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: BTNYC on March 20, 2014, 12:22:40 PM
"We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

"There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

"And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
to baptize all of you."

- Pope St Pius X
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on March 20, 2014, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: BTNYC
"We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

"There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

"And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
to baptize all of you."

- Pope St Pius X


thank you.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on March 20, 2014, 12:57:31 PM
Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826


This is a bunch of shinola. Pius XII didn't sanction Israel any more than Pius X.  :detective:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: CharlesII on March 20, 2014, 02:11:55 PM
Yes, thank you, BT.  Is there any group promoting "inter-religious understanding" that draws attention to Judaism's pathological hatred of non-Jews?  At best, they are useful idiots who distract Christians from noticing what is going on around them.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: Ambrose on March 20, 2014, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: roscoe
Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826


This is a bunch of shinola. Pius XII didn't sanction Israel any more than Pius X.  :detective:


I agree, Roscoe. There is no evidence to support this, they are stretching their "research" to support their agenda.

Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on March 23, 2014, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: BTNYC
"We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

"There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

"And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
to baptize all of you."

- Pope St Pius X

Pope Pius made that determination at teh beginning of the last century. Since then there were two world wars. Things changed and Pius XII made choices to reflect the changed political situation.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: Ambrose on March 23, 2014, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: BTNYC
"We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

"There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

"And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
to baptize all of you."

- Pope St Pius X

Pope Pius made that determination at teh beginning of the last century. Since then there were two world wars. Things changed and Pius XII made choices to reflect the changed political situation.


Good for you that you will believe this with such thin evidence.  I am not buying it.  
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on March 24, 2014, 12:36:16 AM
There is no evidence that Pius XII supported Zionistas.

Paisley trashes the Pope for this very reason.  :pop:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on March 24, 2014, 05:42:07 AM
-- Pave the Way Foundation (PTWF) has posted on its website surprising docuмents showing that Pope Pius XII was instrumental in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. This new docuмented evidence proves that this pope, who has been largely vilified by the Jєωιѕн community, actually helped the Zionist Organization (ZO) beginning in 1917 to establish a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine.

Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140319/PH85864

Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, served as the pontiff during the entirety of World War II, until his death in 1958. Beginning in 1962, an orchestrated campaign of press, books, plays, films and lectures has sought to portray this pope as evil, even to the extreme of dubbing him Hitler's Pope. Gary Krupp, President of PTWF said "Pave the Way Foundation began researching this controversy in 2006, with no agenda beyond a search for the truth."

Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.

In 1926, Pacelli stood with prominent Jєωιѕн and Catholic leaders such as Albert Einstein and Ludwig Kaas encouraging all to join the German pro-Palestine organization.

Addressing an Arab delegation opposed to the establishment of a Jєωιѕн state in 1946, Pacelli stated, "Just as we have also several times in the past condemned the persecutions that a fanatical anti-Semitism unleashed against the Hebrew people, we have always observed this attitude of perfect impartiality in the most widely varied circuмstances, and we intend also to hold ourselves to it in the future."

As Pope Pius XII in 1947, Pacelli ignored some Vatican objections, and encouraged Catholic countries to vote in favor of the United Nations vote to partition Palestine. This crucial resolution, which passed in a 33 to 11 vote, created the Jєωιѕн homeland of Israel.

Mr. Hershberg further revealed that official Israeli foreign policy docuмents indicated that it was Pacelli's childhood friend Dr. Guido Mendes, an orthodox Jew, who acted as a behind-the-scenes diplomat.

Gary Krupp, Co-Founder and President of PTWF, stated, "Thousands of original docuмents can be uploaded from our website www.ptwf.org. Sadly, many of those who consider themselves historians and scholars have simply not researched primary source docuмentation from the open Vatican Secret Archives, publicly available since 2006. They have relied primarily on the published works of others."

All docuмents are available at the following link: http://legacy.ptwf.org/vatican_docs_register.aspx

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pave-way-foundation-reveals-surprising-124000001.html
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: Capt McQuigg on March 24, 2014, 01:55:45 PM
Poche,

If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jews all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

If the Jews want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jews and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

I have always considered the hatred of the Jews directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jews hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jews publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on March 24, 2014, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: poche
-- Pave the Way Foundation (PTWF) has posted on its website surprising docuмents showing that Pope Pius XII was instrumental in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. This new docuмented evidence proves that this pope, who has been largely vilified by the Jєωιѕн community, actually helped the Zionist Organization (ZO) beginning in 1917 to establish a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine.

Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140319/PH85864

Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, served as the pontiff during the entirety of World War II, until his death in 1958. Beginning in 1962, an orchestrated campaign of press, books, plays, films and lectures has sought to portray this pope as evil, even to the extreme of dubbing him Hitler's Pope. Gary Krupp, President of PTWF said "Pave the Way Foundation began researching this controversy in 2006, with no agenda beyond a search for the truth."

Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.

In 1926, Pacelli stood with prominent Jєωιѕн and Catholic leaders such as Albert Einstein and Ludwig Kaas encouraging all to join the German pro-Palestine organization.

Addressing an Arab delegation opposed to the establishment of a Jєωιѕн state in 1946, Pacelli stated, "Just as we have also several times in the past condemned the persecutions that a fanatical anti-Semitism unleashed against the Hebrew people, we have always observed this attitude of perfect impartiality in the most widely varied circuмstances, and we intend also to hold ourselves to it in the future."

As Pope Pius XII in 1947, Pacelli ignored some Vatican objections, and encouraged Catholic countries to vote in favor of the United Nations vote to partition Palestine. This crucial resolution, which passed in a 33 to 11 vote, created the Jєωιѕн homeland of Israel.

Mr. Hershberg further revealed that official Israeli foreign policy docuмents indicated that it was Pacelli's childhood friend Dr. Guido Mendes, an orthodox Jew, who acted as a behind-the-scenes diplomat.

Gary Krupp, Co-Founder and President of PTWF, stated, "Thousands of original docuмents can be uploaded from our website www.ptwf.org. Sadly, many of those who consider themselves historians and scholars have simply not researched primary source docuмentation from the open Vatican Secret Archives, publicly available since 2006. They have relied primarily on the published works of others."

All docuмents are available at the following link: http://legacy.ptwf.org/vatican_docs_register.aspx

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pave-way-foundation-reveals-surprising-124000001.html


Pack of lies :pop:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on March 30, 2014, 10:47:04 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Poche,

If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jews all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

If the Jews want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jews and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

I have always considered the hatred of the Jews directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jews hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jews publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.

Some people are ingrates.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: PG on April 11, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
I don't find this hard to believe.  Thanks Poche.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: DonT on June 25, 2014, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Poche,

If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jews all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

If the Jews want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jews and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

I have always considered the hatred of the Jews directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jews hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jews publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.


Jews 'hated' Pius X11 so much that they dedicated a park which they named after him called Pacelli Forest.

He Forged (Lied) about thousands of birth certificates of Jews that he personally signed.
He also did nothing to prevent this Genocide whereby 60 million Europeans died over a needless border skirmish caused by Poland and England, backed by Marxists.

They villify because they are constant whiners and no one questions them on their lies. Controlling the media helps to that end.
Now we learn he was a Zionist. Are you really surprised?

Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: DonT on June 26, 2014, 07:43:44 AM
(http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/empirical-evidence-that-the-vatican-helped-save-jews-in-italy-during-world-war-ii.jpg)

None are so blind as those that refuse to SEE.....


Vatican 2 didnt just happen. They infiltrated long before and had been running the Vatican Bank since the 1820s. J EWs, Freemasons and Marxists slithered all over the Vatican long before 1962.  Why some refuse to believe it is beyond me.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: DonT on June 26, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Secondarily, and perhaps most important, is tht Pius X11 couldve prevented this war, threatening to excommunicate all Catholics that committed Fraticide-the Killiing of their European brethren (60 million died) over a border skirmish aka Danzig.

(http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jewsdeclarewar/versaille-1.jpg)
This is why there was WW2-Polish Marxists Killing Germans in the Danzig.
Not one word from the Pope despite Hitlers pleas to the League of Nations post WW1 of German civilians being slaughtered en masse, cut off from the Mother land.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FQncWGceL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU02_.jpg)



Know too  that Germany was criticized by the Pope about its so called strict 'racial' policies (exalting race??)  in their desire to protect their European Germanic blood  from a Marxist Revolution and soon insane immigration policies being seen via the E.U., but not one word of condemnation was said about the J EWs strict and fervant Racial policies at the same time, as it related to their own marriages and children....why is protecting ones blood and genetics evil?
It is common sense to animals, and to most humans.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on June 27, 2014, 01:11:50 AM
 :roll-laugh1:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: tdrev123 on June 27, 2014, 01:36:01 AM
I usually view Pope Pius XII's non-infallable statements and declarations with some skepticism and I usually critically analyze them.  He was a great man and he meant well but his Papacy had modernist influences upon him and he could not stop the spread of modernism and the retreat of Catholic influence upon society.  

And I don't even believe that he helped the zionists, the jews have said so many blatant lies about him, who really cares what some jews said he said about the state of Israel.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: DonT on June 27, 2014, 06:50:31 AM
Quote from: tdrev123
I usually view Pope Pius XII's non-infallable statements and declarations with some skepticism and I usually critically analyze them.  He was a great man and he meant well but his Papacy had modernist influences upon him and he could not stop the spread of modernism and the retreat of Catholic influence upon society.  

And I don't even believe that he helped the zionists, the jews have said so many blatant lies about him, who really cares what some jews said he said about the state of Israel.


He was a chicken and a liar-he FORGED (LIED) about thousands of baptisms of Jews who were never baptised-maybe he called that his baptism of desire, even though there was no desire?


Some claim He was under Jewrys jackboot and watched 60 million Europeans kill each other over a border skirmish provoked by Jewry.

Who cares what they say?
They have extorted Europe and Germany for Trillions and stolen our Hoyl Land.
Unless YOU believe that 6 million liars really died in a 2.5 car, garage sized vented room, by use of bug spray in 18 months as they claim?

(http://www.usi.edu/music/sites/mad/gallery/tourgallery/images/Auschwitz/Auschwitz%20gas%20chamber.JPG)
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: Cristian on June 27, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: poche


Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.


I´ve a book written in the 20´s by a priest from Spain that confirms this meeting between BXV and Sokolow (he doesn´t  name Pacelli at all), but he quotes Benedict XV saying to Sokolow "I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected".

And in the consistory of Jun 13, 1921 (see http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS%2013%20[1921]%20-%20ocr.pdf page 283) the Pope says he doesn´t pretend "to infringe the rights of the Jews" to the Holy Land.

Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on June 28, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: Cristian
Quote from: poche




I´ve a book written in the 20´s by a priest from Spain that confirms this meeting between BXV and Sokolow (he doesn´t  name Pacelli at all),



Thank U   :detective:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: Ambrose on June 29, 2014, 01:06:17 AM
Quote from: Cristian
Quote from: poche


Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.


I´ve a book written in the 20´s by a priest from Spain that confirms this meeting between BXV and Sokolow (he doesn´t  name Pacelli at all), but he quotes Benedict XV saying to Sokolow "I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected".

And in the consistory of Jun 13, 1921 (see http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS%2013%20[1921]%20-%20ocr.pdf page 283) the Pope says he doesn´t pretend "to infringe the rights of the Jews" to the Holy Land.



Thank you Cristian.  There are some misguided souls trashing the good name of Pope Pius XII, and these facts help to keep the historical record straight.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: LAmour on June 29, 2014, 08:24:19 AM
I dont see it as trashing at all.


Quote
"I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected'


Does this sound like a strong Christian Pope to you?
Israel hadnt yet been created, Balfour Declaration was blasphemous & illegitimate

But he wish that the foreign occupiers who have no place in OUR Holy Land 'respect the Holy places' ??

Strong Shepherd to you?
Could have sounded warning bells of what was the come, the wars and the theft or preach respect strong enough?
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on June 29, 2014, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: LAmour
I dont see it as trashing at all.


Quote
"I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected'


Does this sound like a strong Christian Pope to you?
Israel hadnt yet been created, Balfour Declaration was blasphemous & illegitimate

But he wish that the foreign occupiers who have no place in OUR Holy Land 'respect the Holy places' ??

Strong Shepherd to you?
Could have sounded warning bells of what was the come, the wars and the theft or preach respect strong enough?

He was speaking theoretically at the time.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: LAmour on June 30, 2014, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: LAmour
I dont see it as trashing at all.


Quote
"I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected'


Does this sound like a strong Christian Pope to you?
Israel hadnt yet been created, Balfour Declaration was blasphemous & illegitimate

But he wish that the foreign occupiers who have no place in OUR Holy Land 'respect the Holy places' ??

Strong Shepherd to you?
Could have sounded warning bells of what was the come, the wars and the theft or preach respect strong enough?

He was speaking theoretically at the time.


Sounded pretty matter of fact to me...

He should of Protested from the top of the mountain, screaming and warning all Christians to never allow our Christian Holy Land to be stolen....rather than begging them to 'respect' our Holy sites. What an outrage.

History will judge him accordingly. A failed papacy.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: roscoe on June 30, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Cristian
Quote from: poche


Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.


I´ve a book written in the 20´s by a priest from Spain that confirms this meeting between BXV and Sokolow (he doesn´t  name Pacelli at all), but he quotes Benedict XV saying to Sokolow "I wouldn´t opose the restoration of the Jews in Palestine if the Catholic rights and specially the Holy places, were respected".

And in the consistory of Jun 13, 1921 (see http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS%2013%20[1921]%20-%20ocr.pdf page 283) the Pope says he doesn´t pretend "to infringe the rights of the Jews" to the Holy Land.



Thank you Cristian.  There are some misguided souls trashing the good name of Pope Pius XII, and these facts help to keep the historical record straight.


The book sourced by Cristian says that 'he doesn't mention Paceli at all' so I fail to see how Pius XII is being trashed. I suspect he had zero to do with setting up the meeting between the judaix &  and Ben VX(15?), whose election is very strange indeed.  :detective:
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: glaston on June 30, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: DonT
Quote from: tdrev123
I usually view Pope Pius XII's non-infallable statements and declarations with some skepticism and I usually critically analyze them.  He was a great man and he meant well but his Papacy had modernist influences upon him and he could not stop the spread of modernism and the retreat of Catholic influence upon society.  

And I don't even believe that he helped the zionists, the jews have said so many blatant lies about him, who really cares what some jews said he said about the state of Israel.


He was a chicken and a liar-he FORGED (LIED) about thousands of baptisms of Jews who were never baptised-maybe he called that his baptism of desire, even though there was no desire?


Some claim He was under Jewrys jackboot and watched 60 million Europeans kill each other over a border skirmish provoked by Jewry.

Who cares what they say?
They have extorted Europe and Germany for Trillions and stolen our Hoyl Land.
Unless YOU believe that 6 million liars really died in a 2.5 car, garage sized vented room, by use of bug spray in 18 months as they claim?

(http://www.usi.edu/music/sites/mad/gallery/tourgallery/images/Auschwitz/Auschwitz%20gas%20chamber.JPG)


Check this out

http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/h0Ɩ0cαųst-or-h0Ɩ0h0αx-21-amazing-facts/
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: tdrev123 on June 30, 2014, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: DonT
Quote from: tdrev123
I usually view Pope Pius XII's non-infallable statements and declarations with some skepticism and I usually critically analyze them.  He was a great man and he meant well but his Papacy had modernist influences upon him and he could not stop the spread of modernism and the retreat of Catholic influence upon society.  

And I don't even believe that he helped the zionists, the jews have said so many blatant lies about him, who really cares what some jews said he said about the state of Israel.


He was a chicken and a liar-he FORGED (LIED) about thousands of baptisms of Jews who were never baptised-maybe he called that his baptism of desire, even though there was no desire?


Some claim He was under Jewrys jackboot and watched 60 million Europeans kill each other over a border skirmish provoked by Jewry.

Who cares what they say?
They have extorted Europe and Germany for Trillions and stolen our Hoyl Land.
Unless YOU believe that 6 million liars really died in a 2.5 car, garage sized vented room, by use of bug spray in 18 months as they claim?

(http://www.usi.edu/music/sites/mad/gallery/tourgallery/images/Auschwitz/Auschwitz%20gas%20chamber.JPG)


I was saying that I disregard anything that Jews say about Pius XII
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 30, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826



POCHE:

YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF
ABOUT YOUR GOOD FRIENDS: THE JEWS-

http://youtu.be/94rcOVJBMYQ
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on June 30, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826



POCHE:

YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF
ABOUT YOUR GOOD FRIENDS: THE JEWS-

http://youtu.be/94rcOVJBMYQ

I pray everyday for their wellbeing and their conversion
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on July 01, 2014, 12:13:28 AM
Quote from: poche
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Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826



POCHE:

YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF
ABOUT YOUR GOOD FRIENDS: THE JEWS-

http://youtu.be/94rcOVJBMYQ

I pray everyday for their wellbeing and their conversion


Did you see the video? The nasty things they do in their rituals.
This is worse than the Pagans.  Pope Pius XII would never
support the founding of Israel because he elevated
St. Pius X to Sainthood.                    
The Pave the way foundation is just a lying farce.
 Please be more careful in what you post here
in the future, Poche.
Title: Pope Pius XII and Israel
Post by: poche on July 01, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826



POCHE:

YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO AND EDUCATE YOURSELF
ABOUT YOUR GOOD FRIENDS: THE JEWS-

http://youtu.be/94rcOVJBMYQ

I pray everyday for their wellbeing and their conversion


Did you see the video? The nasty things they do in their rituals.
This is worse than the Pagans.  Pope Pius XII would never
support the founding of Israel because he elevated
St. Pius X to Sainthood.                    
The Pave the way foundation is just a lying farce.
 Please be more careful in what you post here
in the future, Poche.

I do not have access to any videos from where I am at now.